Dumb and dumber - weights and measures

 
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The other strange thing I noticed in the UK is that whilst we might buy a 2 litre bottle of milk, their milk comes in 2.272 litre bottles (4 pints)! Stupid poms... Smile
Interesting, I looked it up. Its half a UK gallon.

Which now asks the question, what happened when they sailed from UK to US? Did they loose their gallon buckets over the side and guessed when they arrived?

I'm sure there is also a interesting story behind beer glass sizes.

And for the non space buffs, Human's measure distance in space using light years (makes sense, for now) and distance between Sun and the Earth, called the AU (Astronomical Unit to remove any potential planetarian bias/racism by not referencing EARTH). I'm sure one day this will look as stupid as 4' 8.5" for track gauge.


Regards
Shane
RTT_Rules
'Which now asks the question, what happened when they sailed from UK to US? Did they loose their gallon buckets over the side and guessed when they arrived?'

Or were our American friends just being different in the use of US gallons, foolscap paper size, short tons  and their retention of feet and inches. Thankfully, however, they retained SG railways - perhaps someone boobed in this regard!

Is there anywhere else in the world that still uses other than metric weights and measures? Apart from the Poms who don't deem to know which way to go that is. Perhaps they will go back to 'imperial measurements' when they exit the EU. Smile

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  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
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The gallon defined in the Magna Carta is 'eight pounds'.  Wine for being more dense than wheat, gives a smaller gallon.  This gallon was 216 cu inches, using a Mercantile pound of 15 tower ounces, but became larger as larger pounds were used.  The wine gallon in troy pounds gives 230.4 cu inches.

The Guildhall representation is 224 cu in, but described as a cylinder seven inches in diameter and six inches high.  This gives 230.9 cu inches, but rounded to 231 cu inches.

There were other gallons, such as the beer and ale gallon, which is 282 cu inches, the corn gallon of 268.8025 cu inches, etc.  The US uses the corn gallon as the basis of a corn bushel, being a cylinder 18½ inches in diameter, and eight inches deep.

The USA declared independence in 1776 and won that in 1783.  This means that they did not get the reforms of 1820, enacted in the Imperial Weights and Measures Act.

This act abolished all old gallons, and introduced a new gallon, represented by ten pounds of water, at 62°F against brass weights in air.  This is the imperial gallon, initially set at 277.274 cu inches, but the 1899 calibration caused it to be 277.420 cu inches.

Like so much of the USA, that country abandoned any sort of sense by leaving the empire before significant modernisation acts were passed
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
The other strange thing I noticed in the UK is that whilst we might buy a 2 litre bottle of milk, their milk comes in 2.272 litre bottles (4 pints)! Stupid poms... Smile
Interesting, I looked it up. Its half a UK gallon.

Which now asks the question, what happened when they sailed from UK to US? Did they loose their gallon buckets over the side and guessed when they arrived?

I'm sure there is also a interesting story behind beer glass sizes.

And for the non space buffs, Human's measure distance in space using light years (makes sense, for now) and distance between Sun and the Earth, called the AU (Astronomical Unit to remove any potential planetarian bias/racism by not referencing EARTH). I'm sure one day this will look as stupid as 4' 8.5" for track gauge.


Regards
Shane
'Which now asks the question, what happened when they sailed from UK to US? Did they loose their gallon buckets over the side and guessed when they arrived?'

Or were our American friends just being different in the use of US gallons, foolscap paper size, short tons  and their retention of feet and inches. Thankfully, however, they retained SG railways - perhaps someone boobed in this regard!

Is there anywhere else in the world that still uses other than metric weights and measures? Apart from the Poms who don't deem to know which way to go that is. Perhaps they will go back to 'imperial measurements' when they exit the EU. Smile
YM-Mundrabilla
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_system#/media/File:Metrication_by_year_map.svg

Different countries still use imperial in various ways.

UAE use sqr feet for apartment and house sizes. Until late 2000's they still sold petrol that way and you can see the distance meters on highway signs were at one stage converted from Imperial as they give 400m warning of something and remeber this country basically didn't exist 20 years ago apart from a small village.

India also does same

Anyway looks like Burma and some small rat hole in western Africa are also still imperial.

Conversion and calculation incidents[[color=#0b0080]edit][/color]The dual usage of or confusion between metric and non-metric units has resulted in a number of serious incidents. These include:


and then theres the spelling issue

Variations in spelling[edit]
The SI symbols for the metric units are intended to be identical, regardless of the language used[6] but unit names are ordinary nouns and use the character set and follow the grammatical rules of the language concerned. For example, the SI unit symbol for kilometre is "km" everywhere in the world, even though the local language word for the unit name may vary. Language variants for the kilometre unit name include: chilometro (Italian), Kilometer (German),[Note 7] kilometer (Dutch), kilomètre (French), χιλιόμετρο (Greek), quilómetro/quilômetro (Portuguese), kilómetro (Spanish) and километр (Russian).[88][89]

Variations are also found with the spelling of unit names in countries using the same language, including differences in American English and British spelling. For example, meter and liter are used in the United States whereas metre and litre are used in other English-speaking countries. In addition, the official US spelling for the rarely used SI prefix for ten is deka. In American English the term metric ton is the normal usage whereas in other varieties of English tonne is common. Gram is also sometimes spelled gramme in English-speaking countries other than the United States, though this older usage is declining
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Is that high tide or low tide?
Er; um (thinks); Eildon doesn't have tides.
There are actually very slight tides in inland waterways,  Might only be a millimetre or two, but they exist,  There are also land tides, which is what keeps the earth's mantle molten,

As an interesting factoid. the moon DOES have an atmosphere.  However, it's so thin it only has a total weight of ten tons.
'has a total weight of ten tons'.

How do I convert tons to rhinoceroses, please?
YM-Mundrabilla
Well I've seen Eildon all but empty after someone pulled out the plug, never seen Syd knee arbour empty!

Ok back to the original subject .....
First establish is your requiring white Rhino's or normal ones there is a time 0.179 difference in the conversion.
second is that tons or tonnes?
  woodford Chief Commissioner

The other strange thing I noticed in the UK is that whilst we might buy a 2 litre bottle of milk, their milk comes in 2.272 litre bottles (4 pints)! Stupid poms... Smile
Interesting, I looked it up. Its half a UK gallon.

Which now asks the question, what happened when they sailed from UK to US? Did they loose their gallon buckets over the side and guessed when they arrived?

I'm sure there is also a interesting story behind beer glass sizes.

And for the non space buffs, Human's measure distance in space using light years (makes sense, for now) and distance between Sun and the Earth, called the AU (Astronomical Unit to remove any potential planetarian bias/racism by not referencing EARTH). I'm sure one day this will look as stupid as 4' 8.5" for track gauge.


Regards
Shane
RTT_Rules
The problem in specifying distance in the universe is one of scale of the different parts. The closest star is around 4 light years away. This is aprox 255,000 AU (Astronomical Unit). Planetary systems are microscopic in comparison. Using Lightyear to specify planetary distances would be equivalent to specifing railway track gauge in 1000 kilometre units.

woodford
  apw5910 Chief Train Controller

Location: Location: Location.
1000 kilometre units.
woodford
Megametres.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Is that high tide or low tide?
Er; um (thinks); Eildon doesn't have tides.
There are actually very slight tides in inland waterways,  Might only be a millimetre or two, but they exist,  There are also land tides, which is what keeps the earth's mantle molten,

As an interesting factoid. the moon DOES have an atmosphere.  However, it's so thin it only has a total weight of ten tons.
'has a total weight of ten tons'.

How do I convert tons to rhinoceroses, please?
Well I've seen Eildon all but empty after someone pulled out the plug, never seen Syd knee arbour empty!

Ok back to the original subject .....
First establish is your requiring white Rhino's or normal ones there is a time 0.179 difference in the conversion.
second is that tons or tonnes?
Pressman
Thanks Pressman. Yes eilther the one or the other will do but is the conversion rate 0.179 different for rainbow (opposite of white) LGBT....whatever rhinos?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Is that high tide or low tide?
Er; um (thinks); Eildon doesn't have tides.
There are actually very slight tides in inland waterways,  Might only be a millimetre or two, but they exist,  There are also land tides, which is what keeps the earth's mantle molten,

As an interesting factoid. the moon DOES have an atmosphere.  However, it's so thin it only has a total weight of ten tons.
'has a total weight of ten tons'.

How do I convert tons to rhinoceroses, please?
Well I've seen Eildon all but empty after someone pulled out the plug, never seen Syd knee arbour empty!

Ok back to the original subject .....
First establish is your requiring white Rhino's or normal ones there is a time 0.179 difference in the conversion.
second is that tons or tonnes?
Thanks Pressman. Yes eilther the one or the other will do but is the conversion rate 0.179 different for rainbow (opposite of white) LGBT....whatever rhinos?
YM-Mundrabilla
conversion rate is 0.178 for male gay Rhino's and 0.180 of the female lesbian variety, but current political correctness deems the rate of 0.179 should prevail (the rate for male lesbian rhino's is still being researched by sum1)
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Is that high tide or low tide?
Er; um (thinks); Eildon doesn't have tides.
There are actually very slight tides in inland waterways,  Might only be a millimetre or two, but they exist,  There are also land tides, which is what keeps the earth's mantle molten,

As an interesting factoid. the moon DOES have an atmosphere.  However, it's so thin it only has a total weight of ten tons.
'has a total weight of ten tons'.

How do I convert tons to rhinoceroses, please?
Well I've seen Eildon all but empty after someone pulled out the plug, never seen Syd knee arbour empty!

Ok back to the original subject .....
First establish is your requiring white Rhino's or normal ones there is a time 0.179 difference in the conversion.
second is that tons or tonnes?
Thanks Pressman. Yes eilther the one or the other will do but is the conversion rate 0.179 different for rainbow (opposite of white) LGBT....whatever rhinos?
conversion rate is 0.178 for male gay Rhino's and 0.180 of the female lesbian variety, but current political correctness deems the rate of 0.179 should prevail (the rate for male lesbian rhino's is still being researched by sum1)
Pressman
Thank you Comrade.
That answers all my questions most comprehensively.
Regards
YM
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
Is that high tide or low tide?
Er; um (thinks); Eildon doesn't have tides.
There are actually very slight tides in inland waterways,  Might only be a millimetre or two, but they exist,  There are also land tides, which is what keeps the earth's mantle molten,

As an interesting factoid. the moon DOES have an atmosphere.  However, it's so thin it only has a total weight of ten tons.
'has a total weight of ten tons'.

How do I convert tons to rhinoceroses, please?
Well I've seen Eildon all but empty after someone pulled out the plug, never seen Syd knee arbour empty!

Ok back to the original subject .....
First establish is your requiring white Rhino's or normal ones there is a time 0.179 difference in the conversion.
second is that tons or tonnes?
Thanks Pressman. Yes eilther the one or the other will do but is the conversion rate 0.179 different for rainbow (opposite of white) LGBT....whatever rhinos?
conversion rate is 0.178 for male gay Rhino's and 0.180 of the female lesbian variety, but current political correctness deems the rate of 0.179 should prevail (the rate for male lesbian rhino's is still being researched by sum1)
Thank you Comrade.
That answers all my questions most comprehensively.
Regards
YM
YM-Mundrabilla
black or white rhinos? There is a difference
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Your town.
Ahem.

The Avoirdupois system has a bit to answer for, trying to convince everyone that a hundred weight actually equals 112 pounds and not 100, but 20 of them equals a ton regardless whether it is long or short, depending where you are from.

Anyway who cares, I'm just happy to be 1.7m and three inches tall!
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Is that high tide or low tide?
Er; um (thinks); Eildon doesn't have tides.
Valvegear

Actually all waterbodies have tides - just on small ones they are too small to notice.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Is that high tide or low tide?
Er; um (thinks); Eildon doesn't have tides.

Actually all waterbodies have tides - just on small ones they are too small to notice.
james.au
So the difference between high and low tide at Eildon is ???? olympic swimming pools? Rolling Eyes
  apw5910 Chief Train Controller

Location: Location: Location.
So the difference between high and low tide at Eildon is ???? olympic swimming pools? Rolling Eyes
YM-Mundrabilla
Enough to power 5000 homes.
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
So the difference between high and low tide at Eildon is ???? olympic swimming pools?
YM-Mundrabilla
The difference in water levels, if measured around the whole of the lake's shoreline, is equal to 14 trips to the moon and back.Rolling Eyes
  M636C Minister for Railways

The other strange thing I noticed in the UK is that whilst we might buy a 2 litre bottle of milk, their milk comes in 2.272 litre bottles (4 pints)! Stupid poms... Smile

Which now asks the question, what happened when they sailed from UK to US? Did they loose their gallon buckets over the side and guessed when they arrived?

Regards
Shane
RTT_Rules
Don't take my word for it, but...

In England there are 20 fluid ounces in a pint.

In the USA, this was thought to be confusing, since there are only 16 ounces in a pound.

So they changed to having 16 fluid ounces in a pint...

So now they can fit 50 gallons into a 44 gallon drum...

Peter
  BrentonGolding Assistant Commissioner

Location: Kollingwued when I'm workin', Maldon when I'm Trainin'
Don't take my word for it, but...

In England there are 20 fluid ounces in a pint.

In the USA, this was thought to be confusing, since there are only 16 ounces in a pound.

So they changed to having 16 fluid ounces in a pint...

So now they can fit 50 gallons into a 44 gallon drum...

Peter
M636C
Walk into an Adelaide pub and order a pint and you end up with a "reputed pint" - 15 fl oz or around 425ml. Takes them foreign types a few to figure out why the beer is so cheap!

BG
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Meanwhile, aircraft are doing 512 knots at 37,000 feet.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Meanwhile, aircraft are doing 512 knots at 37,000 feet.
Valvegear
Is that Overhand Knots or Sailor's Knots or Square Knots?
Or does the Knot style change with altitude?
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Meanwhile, aircraft are doing 512 knots at 37,000 feet.
Is that Overhand Knots or Sailor's Knots or Square Knots?
Or does the Knot style change with altitude?
Pressman
Or maybe Have Nots, the opposite of Haves.
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Is that Overhand Knots or Sailor's Knots or Square Knots?
Or does the Knot style change with altitude?
"Pressman"

That is a knotty problem and I am knot familiar with the answer.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Meanwhile, aircraft are doing 512 knots at 37,000 feet.
Is that Overhand Knots or Sailor's Knots or Square Knots?
Or does the Knot style change with altitude?
Pressman
Air pressure reduces at altitude, so the lower amount of oxygen available may affect the cognitive abilities of the person selecting and tying the knot.

It is quite chilly at high altitude too, which may mean that hands go numb so the more complex nots are knot an option.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Meanwhile, aircraft are doing 512 knots at 37,000 feet.
Is that Overhand Knots or Sailor's Knots or Square Knots?
Or does the Knot style change with altitude?
Air pressure reduces at altitude, so the lower amount of oxygen available may affect the cognitive abilities of the person selecting and tying the knot.

It is quite chilly at high altitude too, which may mean that hands go numb so the more complex nots are knot an option.
justapassenger
So style of the knot will vary with altitude, thanks for clearing that up jap
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I am grateful to justapassenger for his knotable contribution in bringing these matters to our knotice. Knothing is better than having some knovel knotion put forward; much better than having knought to go on with. Knowadays we are frequently pestered by knoxious or stupid writings by people seeking knotoriety. One finds that they generally lead us knowhere significant. It is good to have the mind knourished by the knovelty of j.a.p's learned remarks; he is obviously not a knovice in his field. I may recommend him for the KNobel Prize next KNovember.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

You missed one in the second-last line.

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