V/Line Incidents/Disruptions

 
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
"minor disruption" on the Albury line. The morning and lunchtime up services are buses. The morning down is bg train to Seymour then bus.

Midday service yesterday (down) was also a bus so what was the cause?
x31
Last night's down (violet crumble loco N457) apparently failed at Euroa. P13 & N471(??) went on a rescue trip at 3:00am this morning...

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
"minor disruption" on the Albury line. The morning and lunchtime up services are buses. The morning down is bg train to Seymour then bus.

Midday service yesterday (down) was also a bus so what was the cause?
Last night's down (violet crumble loco) apparently failed at Euroa. P13 & N457(??) went on a rescue trip at 3:00am this morning...
SamTheMan79
New paint maketh not a new or, necessarily, a well maintained loco............
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
ALERT I"M BEING CYNICAL   Look because 3 sets of cars and 3 locos was not enough to reliably work the Albury service which is crap, we get 4 locos and 4 sets.   We have a set and loco out of the shops and what have we got since that came into service.   Why not make the number of standy sets 5 or 6 the more spares the merrier.

It's about absolute attention to detail, strong management focus, rigorous and I say rigorous contract management of your maintenance providers and severe penalties that really bite.  I've written endlessly about the way maintenance has been undertaken on the North East sets.   Take it all away from the existing prime contractor.   Bombardier who build great trains and trams are not really equipped in my opinion in maintaining the legacy locos and coaches on the network and sub-contract this to EDI anyway.

Tender it out or transfer it to Gemco Rail who sit right next door to the SG sidings/depot at South Dynon.   They only get used by V/Line when they get into strife.   Giving them full maintenance oversight and an ongoing contract to support this fleet is the best way to go.   A very nice contract for them but most importantly a fleet that is small enough that they can really focus on it.

The fact that V/Line set out a rescue operation early in the morning suggests to me that they know the heat must now be on them.  The government has acceded to their fix of putting in extra back up and as far as I can see the reliability in these first few weeks is as bad as ever if not worse.    On another thread I recount my experience of riding in superbly maintained 62 year old passenger cars at 90MPH in Canada just a few weeks ago being hauled by locomotives that are of the same generation as the N's!!!!
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I got off the Skybus at about 1145 today and walked through SCS towards the No 11 tram. There came an announcement that the Albury train service (1205, I think) had been replaced by "road coaches"( i.e buses.). Why was I not surprised?
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
I got off the Skybus at about 1145 today and walked through SCS towards the No 11 tram. There came an announcement that the Albury train service (1205, I think) had been replaced by "road coaches"( i.e buses.). Why was I not surprised?
Valvegear

I believe this was the third time over the last week?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
V Line should do another name change. This time it could be called the Bus Benevolent Society.
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
And again today. The morning and lunchtime down Albury services are buses as is the up returns.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
N457 only completed an exam and minor maintenance 3 weeks ago.

The new plot for Albury does not seem to be working?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
V Line should do another name change. This time it could be called the Bus Benevolent Society.
Valvegear
Perhaps another paint job would work! Rolling Eyes

How much clearly failed or inadequate maintenance is duplicated and paid for twice versus how much of it is fixed under warranty? Do either have a penalty component to pay for passenger disruption and inconvenience?
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
N457 only completed an exam and minor maintenance 3 weeks ago.

The new plot for Albury does not seem to be working?
x31
I was under the impression that it went through some pretty major maintenance, which is why it was tested fairly thoroughly before going back into revenue service?

In any case, it either did not go through enough testing, or enough maintenance to make sure it is kept up to scratch.
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
And again today. The morning and lunchtime down Albury services are buses as is the up returns.
emmastreet
And again today.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
And again today. The morning and lunchtime down Albury services are buses as is the up returns.
And again today.
emmastreet

Crew issues?
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
From the V/Line website-

Service change12:45 Albury - Southern Cross will not run today due to a train fault and is replaced by coaches for the entire journey.
Service change12:05 Southern Cross - Albury will not run today due to a train fault and is replaced by coaches for the entire journey.
  richter170 Locomotive Driver

Only the Evening DN 1802 from Southern Cross and the morning up from Albury have been running since the failure of N457.

The failure was major and the loco apparently lost a lot of oil hence why it had to be towed back to Melbourne.

N471 seems to have been running most services.

The locos still seem to be the ongoing issue.

Unsure why.
  richter170 Locomotive Driver

@leoj_tweets Hi, due to only one locomotive being available on our standard gauge tracks we are only able to run two scheduled services a day - Lisa

10/05/17 The 07:05 SCS - Albury will not run due to a train fault. This service will be replaced by coaches for the entire journey.

Above is from the V/line twitter.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Only the Evening DN 1802 from Southern Cross and the morning up from Albury have been running since the failure of N457.

The failure was major and the loco apparently lost a lot of oil hence why it had to be towed back to Melbourne.

N471 seems to have been running most services.

The locos still seem to be the ongoing issue.

Unsure why.
richter170

This fits in with the maintenance theory discussed on RP.  Is V/Line getting value for money?  If N457 had such a major maintenance job done recently how could this happen?
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Only the Evening DN 1802 from Southern Cross and the morning up from Albury have been running since the failure of N457.

The failure was major and the loco apparently lost a lot of oil hence why it had to be towed back to Melbourne.

N471 seems to have been running most services.

The locos still seem to be the ongoing issue.

Unsure why.

This fits in with the maintenance theory discussed on RP.  Is V/Line getting value for money?  If N457 had such a major maintenance job done recently how could this happen?
x31

No theory- fact.

Value for money, questionable.



Some time ago a poster on these forums, with a lot more knowledge than myself outlined the loco "exam" process. They then went on to explain how the previous Government cut the funding for these exams and we're now seeing what happens when maintenance and in some cases preventative maintenance is not completed to the standards it should be. Three out of four SG N classes are out of action and one that we know of, with a serious failure.

I'm sure that with a major overhaul (like the A class) V/Line could get another 10-15 years from the N class but it appears that the failures are all too much (N & Z type carriages as well) and they are going to go down the DMU path.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Only the Evening DN 1802 from Southern Cross and the morning up from Albury have been running since the failure of N457.

The failure was major and the loco apparently lost a lot of oil hence why it had to be towed back to Melbourne.

N471 seems to have been running most services.

The locos still seem to be the ongoing issue.

Unsure why.

This fits in with the maintenance theory discussed on RP.  Is V/Line getting value for money?  If N457 had such a major maintenance job done recently how could this happen?

No theory- fact.

Value for money, questionable.



Some time ago a poster on these forums, with a lot more knowledge than myself outlined the loco "exam" process. They then went on to explain how the previous Government cut the funding for these exams and we're now seeing what happens when maintenance and in some cases preventative maintenance is not completed to the standards it should be. Three out of four SG N classes are out of action and one that we know of, with a serious failure.

I'm sure that with a major overhaul (like the A class) V/Line could get another 10-15 years from the N class but it appears that the failures are all too much (N & Z type carriages as well) and they are going to go down the DMU path.
SamTheMan79
3 out of 4 SG locos out of action is Exhibit A of running a railway into the ground.  Those responsible for such cuts (mainly the previous Govt and V/line senior management at the time) should hang their heads in shame...  How can any railway run reliably and with value for money if it's treated with such contempt?

The funny thing is that short-term cost savings end up costing us a lot more in the long-run.
  hbedriver Chief Train Controller

457 compressor suffered substantial alteration to designed shape last Thursday at Euroa. Seen the photos, with thick casing plates expelled in an incomplete state from their usual locations. Not thought to have been under excessive load at the time. Perhaps they will rat a compressor off one of the A class in the Storage yard (if they haven't already)?

Unsure why other 2 out of action.

One SG car set in Gemco for "F" exams; re-painted aset SN8 in for catering module repairs (whatever that means). So I guess they only have two useable carriage sets at the moment out of four, which is still a better availability rate than the locos.
  richter170 Locomotive Driver

3 out of 4 SG locos out of action is Exhibit A of running a railway into the ground.  Those responsible for such cuts (mainly the previous Govt and V/line senior management at the time) should hang their heads in shame...  How can any railway run reliably and with value for money if it's treated with such contempt?

The funny thing is that short-term cost savings end up costing us a lot more in the long-run.

This is utter crap Carnot.

The Labour Party have been in since 2014, it's now midway through 2017 and blaming the previous government for ongoing issues in 2017 is wrong. It needs to be resolved NOW regardless of who is in power, everyone who has an interest in the North East line should be writing letters to their local member.

The system is set up to fail. No one cares, we don't have a dedicated SG servicing hub in Melbourne or in Albury for that matter. Hopefully when Ballarat becomes standard gauge more work can be undertaken at the workshops there.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

3 out of 4 SG locos out of action is Exhibit A of running a railway into the ground.  Those responsible for such cuts (mainly the previous Govt and V/line senior management at the time) should hang their heads in shame...  How can any railway run reliably and with value for money if it's treated with such contempt?

The funny thing is that short-term cost savings end up costing us a lot more in the long-run.

This is utter crap Carnot.

The Labour Party have been in since 2014, it's now midway through 2017 and blaming the previous government for ongoing issues in 2017 is wrong. It needs to be resolved NOW regardless of who is in power, everyone who has an interest in the North East line should be writing letters to their local member.

The system is set up to fail. No one cares, we don't have a dedicated SG servicing hub in Melbourne or in Albury for that matter. Hopefully when Ballarat becomes standard gauge more work can be undertaken at the workshops there.
richter170
I am someone who usually votes for conservative political parties and agree that the current State Govt has been very slow to act on fixing the NE SG problems.  Half the problem is that when things fall apart, it often takes a much longer time to fix.  It's time for the blame game to stop.
  712M Chief Commissioner

If there is still a carriage set available why can they not run with P13 that was converted to SG or even lease a loco from one of the freight companies?

Yes a P class wouldn't really be able to keep up to the N class timetable (not that late running on the NE line is anything new), but a late train is better than no train at all. It would mean that there would be enough trains to operate the fill timetable without bus replacements.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I find it utterly amazing that Vline do not have at least one spare for major components like compressors sitting on the floor just waiting.
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
3 out of 4 SG locos out of action is Exhibit A of running a railway into the ground.  Those responsible for such cuts (mainly the previous Govt and V/line senior management at the time) should hang their heads in shame...  How can any railway run reliably and with value for money if it's treated with such contempt?

The funny thing is that short-term cost savings end up costing us a lot more in the long-run.

This is utter crap Carnot.

The Labour Party have been in since 2014, it's now midway through 2017 and blaming the previous government for ongoing issues in 2017 is wrong. It needs to be resolved NOW regardless of who is in power, everyone who has an interest in the North East line should be writing letters to their local member.

The system is set up to fail. No one cares, we don't have a dedicated SG servicing hub in Melbourne or in Albury for that matter. Hopefully when Ballarat becomes standard gauge more work can be undertaken at the workshops there.
richter170
The question was asked and the reason given.

Correct that the Labor Party has been in power since 2014- December 2014. V/Line's woes were only realised around the time the wheel wear issues arose late in 2015. How are they supposed to fix something in less than 18 months that really took 3 years to break?

I'm not too sure if you've worked in Government or big business, the big wheel turns very slowly. Plans, budgets etc. aren't done overnight. An example- a forum regular posted recently that a project he worked on in 2007 is only now getting off the ground!



Unfortunately it appears that what the current Government has done is yet another band aid fix but without a massive one off investment, the North East Line issues aren't going to be fixed overnight.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
I find it utterly amazing that Vline do not have at least one spare for major components like compressors sitting on the floor just waiting.
YM-Mundrabilla

V/Line need to build some SG replacement coaches.  Are they N sets?

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