Public opinion sought on building a better Bendigo rail system

 

News article: Public opinion sought on building a better Bendigo rail system

Bendigo residents have been enthusiastic in helping a taskforce come up with proposals to build a better rail network.

  Rossco T Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria

Bendigo residents have been enthusiastic in helping a taskforce come up with proposals to build a better rail network.

State and local governments want to build a 'mini Metro', integrating rail and bus services more efficiently and making better use of the city's railway stations.

With projections that Bendigo's population of 100,000 could grow to 267,000 people in 25 years, a taskforce has been set up to come up with proposals to urgently reduce traffic congestion.
"Public opinion sought on building a better Bendigo rail system"


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  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
I have a good feeling about this review.  If this is scoped correctly and the input is widely sought this could be good news for Bendigo. Feeling the vibe.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I personally think that the rail services should be extensions of existing services, however if such a proposal were successful it could pave the way for such services in Ballarat and Geelong, along with bus service improvements in other regional areas.
  Rossco T Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
I personally think that the rail services should be extensions of existing services.
railblogger
You would think that this would be the logical outcome of this study, given the quote from the Council representative below.

"Some of the ideas that are emerging already: what if all the trains either started at Epsom or Eaglehawk on their way to Melbourne? So what we do is utilise the existing system, the existing trains, to build what is like a Metro system."
Council quote

Ross
  waynes Junior Train Controller

Location: Victoria
There are been over 700 submissions thus far. You wonder if Marong was a suggestion as this seems a logical extension or perhaps Bridgewater?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
Marong makes sense. Bridgewater is too far and too small.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Hopefully most responses are from the majority who don't live anywhere near a railway station telling them to stop being clowns.

Maybe they should fix this garbage first before wanking on about rail:



No new stations should be built, Epsom was enough of a waste of money.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
They are. The bus route revamp is scheduled to take effect when the timetable changes in late June.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
I'll believe it when I see it.

They've had all the opportunity in the world to make real suggestions to fix it in the past, how's this $2 million consultant blow party going to be any different?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I'll believe it when I see it.

They've had all the opportunity in the world to make real suggestions to fix it in the past, how's this $2 million consultant blow party going to be any different?
ZH836301
The bus changes are not part of the Bendigo Metro Rail. If you search around you should be able to find some details on the changes.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Hopefully most responses are from the majority who don't live anywhere near a railway station telling them to stop being clowns.

No new stations should be built, Epsom was enough of a waste of money.
ZH836301

That looks like an extensive set of routes.  Are new railway stations being proposed?  (with the exception of Marong)

There is a lot which can be done with the rail network locally in Bendigo. We will no doubt learn more from community input.

The bus network could change to provide routes into and out of the railway stations which are not the central Bendigo Railway Station.  This study should seek to build more centres for bus exchange across Bendigo.

Ideally beyond Bendigo commuters should have access to better rail services. Bridgewater by example above.  

Does the Study scope also cover a review of Echuca services and their frequency and maybe intermediate stops?  What about on the line to Swan Hill?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
@JoppaJunction no details have been posted regarding proposals. We don't even know if any new stations will be built.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
There are been over 700 submissions thus far. You wonder if Marong was a suggestion as this seems a logical extension or perhaps Bridgewater?
waynes
Marong has about 6 houses at this time...Bridgewater is way too far along the line with a line speed limit of 60KPH if you are lucky.

Mike.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Mike has a point. I would run vlocity trains to Bridgewater as a terminus for a period to see what patronage was like.

There is a good station at Bridgewater and space for cark parking.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Mike has a point. I would run vlocity trains to Bridgewater as a terminus for a period to see what patronage was like.

There is a good station at Bridgewater and space for cark parking.
freightgate
I think a bus service would be a better demand gauge than a train.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
I think a bus service would be a better demand gauge than a train.
railblogger

But that is not what the study is about.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
The bus changes are not part of the Bendigo Metro Rail. If you search around you should be able to find some details on the changes.

railblogger

Correct, I've assumed because they were running concurrently they were related.

Makes the $2 million an even bigger waste of dosh.

The new bus routes still show all the classic features that make people avoid them - circuitous routes with pointless deviations.




Marong has about 6 houses at this time...Bridgewater is way too far along the line with a line speed limit of 60KPH if you are lucky.
Vinelander

This is far too logical for you, has someone hacked your account?


Mike has a point. I would run vlocity trains to Bridgewater as a terminus for a period to see what patronage was like.
freightgate

It would be zero.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Mike has a point. I would run vlocity trains to Bridgewater as a terminus for a period to see what patronage was like.

There is a good station at Bridgewater and space for cark parking.
freightgate
First of all, Bridgewater is tiny, hardly worthy of a regular dedicated train service, secondly, the tracks between Eaglehawk and Bridgewater would need to be completely rebuilt, they are totally washed away in sections.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
If I'm not mistaken most of the routes you are thinking of are  neighbourhood routes which are meant to assist with mobility rather than focusing on frequency.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
First of all, Bridgewater is tiny, hardly worthy of a regular dedicated train service, secondly, the tracks between Eaglehawk and Bridgewater would need to be completely rebuilt, they are totally washed away in sections.
Gman_86

Sounds like the job of a railway.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Now woodfods just flying a kite here.............................Wink.

Some thoughts from woodford, A couple of points first.........

We are talking about a Bendigo LOCAL train service ie to allow transport from outer Bendigo suburban area to main shopping centre clustered to the north of Bendigo station. There is not to much parking in this area I may say. One can usual get a parking space to the south east of the railway line (I head for Willaimson st one can always get a parking space there)), but thats quite a few hundreds of metres away from anything.

You cannot take Epson as any kind of guide for  a LOCAL service.

Quite how Bridgewater got into the cconversation I do not know, I would in no way, place or time call this a part of Bendigo, this brings us to............

Bendigo's Layout,
As we are talking about a local train system I shall call Bendigo station as the hub, All of the main shopping area though is to the north and east of the station.
Bendigo is basicly in 4 sections, with the station as the centre.Â

There is the SE section, bounded by Quarry Hill, Flora Hill and Strathdale and East Bendigo. The majority of houses here wold be within 2000 metre radius of the station. As there is no rail line here and the distance to Bendigo's centre is short, this area does not come into the equation.

Then we have the SW section, The suburban area here extends to past Kangroo Flat, some thing like 6.5 kilometres from the main station.

Next theres the NW Bendigo, the area extends nearly a kilmotre past Eaglehawk, to aprox 7 kilometres from the main station.

Lastly theres the NE, Theres large numbers of houses right out to Huntly, and Huntly is DEFINITELY expecting a station. THis would be 12 kilometres from Bendigo station.

Now none of these areas are very wide few houses in any of these areas would be more than 1000 metres from a railway line.

A way to service these areas at not to much cost would be say a half hour service to Melbourne, split the train into to two, one section starting from Huntly, the other from Eaglehawk, these would combine at Bendigo to form a single service to Melbourne.

This would provide a half hour service that would be accessable by at least 30 percent of Bendigo.

If one is truly enthusiastic I am told by the tram people in Bendigo the tram line that runs near the station is still under there buried by the hot mix one could dig this up and have a tram servce down to the main street.

woodford
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
If I'm not mistaken most of the routes you are thinking of are  neighbourhood routes which are meant to assist with mobility rather than focusing on frequency.
railblogger
So if you're not in a wheelchair you should just drive?

Instead of running empty buses around in circles they could streamline the routes to give a decent 15-minute service for the same cost that people might actually use.

The idea of rail serving any purpose is flawed - the lines are not near any centres, and the frequencies justifiable given the population would make them a waste of time.  Even sending trains beyond Bendigo proper is a poor choice as that wasted time could be spent returning the train to Melbourne and offering a more frequent service to the city, instead of carting near-empty trains into the boonies.

  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Or walk to your nearest main road.

That seems to be the sort of thing they are looking at with these bus upgrades - have  main road routes running at good frequencies (or not in this case) and neighbourhood routes running at half those frequencies for those who can't or don't wish to walk to their nearest main road.
  RatholeTunnel Locomotive Driver

Location: Sydney Area
Now woodfods just flying a kite here.............................Wink.

Some thoughts from woodford, A couple of points first.........

We are talking about a Bendigo LOCAL train service ie to allow transport from outer Bendigo suburban area to main shopping centre clustered to the north of Bendigo station. There is not to much parking in this area I may say. One can usual get a parking space to the south east of the railway line (I head for Willaimson st one can always get a parking space there)), but thats quite a few hundreds of metres away from anything.

You cannot take Epson as any kind of guide for  a LOCAL service.

Quite how Bridgewater got into the cconversation I do not know, I would in no way, place or time call this a part of Bendigo, this brings us to............

Bendigo's Layout,
As we are talking about a local train system I shall call Bendigo station as the hub, All of the main shopping area though is to the north and east of the station.
Bendigo is basicly in 4 sections, with the station as the centre.Â

There is the SE section, bounded by Quarry Hill, Flora Hill and Strathdale and East Bendigo. The majority of houses here wold be within 2000 metre radius of the station. As there is no rail line here and the distance to Bendigo's centre is short, this area does not come into the equation.

Then we have the SW section, The suburban area here extends to past Kangroo Flat, some thing like 6.5 kilometres from the main station.

Next theres the NW Bendigo, the area extends nearly a kilmotre past Eaglehawk, to aprox 7 kilometres from the main station.

Lastly theres the NE, Theres large numbers of houses right out to Huntly, and Huntly is DEFINITELY expecting a station. THis would be 12 kilometres from Bendigo station.

Now none of these areas are very wide few houses in any of these areas would be more than 1000 metres from a railway line.

A way to service these areas at not to much cost would be say a half hour service to Melbourne, split the train into to two, one section starting from Huntly, the other from Eaglehawk, these would combine at Bendigo to form a single service to Melbourne.

This would provide a half hour service that would be accessable by at least 30 percent of Bendigo.

If one is truly enthusiastic I am told by the tram people in Bendigo the tram line that runs near the station is still under there buried by the hot mix one could dig this up and have a tram servce down to the main street.

woodford

There has been considerable development in and around Marong.  It would be appropriate nowadays for the Eaglehawk trains to be extended to Marong using a new station and line upgrade if needed.
woodford
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Or you could just fix the sh1thausen bus service for a fraction of the cost and multiples the benefit.

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