Mildura Passenger rail push grows

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 18 Apr 2017 07:10
  doyle Junior Train Controller

Sponsored advertisement

  ARodH Chief Train Controller

Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
Because other areas don't have an airplane service?
stooge spark
Hamilton used to have a scheduled service, but that went when Ansett folded. There's a few other regional airfields that are supposed to be usable by commercial jets. Was told once that the Donald airfield could take a 737.

Albury has an regular airline service though, it's no doubt more reliable than the vline service.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Albury has an regular airline service though, it's no doubt more reliable than the vline service.
ARodH

Only on REX - and more expensive too...
  stooge spark Train Controller

I think Mallacoota has Air service too, as does Portland I think.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Mildura has alot of parallels with Kalgoolie and hence I support the reintroduction for a rail passenger service and the rollingstock would be of similar standard. However, it will only work on a quality freight line, not what exists today. So unless the line is upgraded, forget it.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Why aren't the people of Mildura entitled to a rail service when our major town and cities in Victoria are?

Because it's 550km away with little in between.
ZH836301
And they all duck over to Adelaide.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Because other areas don't have an airplane service?
Hamilton used to have a scheduled service, but that went when Ansett folded. There's a few other regional airfields that are supposed to be usable by commercial jets. Was told once that the Donald airfield could take a 737.

Albury has an regular airline service though, it's no doubt more reliable than the vline service.
ARodH
Donald airport can only handle a Beechcraft SuperKing Air (ie. Air Ambulance).  Mildura has recently been upgraded to handle B737 planes.

I tend to think that any reintroduced Mildura passenger rail service would be heavily subsidized.  But it could make sense if oil prices head North again and flights become super-expensive.  And V/line happens to competently run a reliable SG train set that can trundle along the Mildura line at 130 km/h...
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Why aren't the people of Mildura entitled to a rail service when our major town and cities in Victoria are?

Because it's 550km away with little in between.
And they all duck over to Adelaide.
wobert
Almost justification for a rail service on its own, no Vic should be forced to do that. Even NSW provides a once a week XPL to BH for this reason.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/strong-passenger-rail-advocacy-needed seems to show the push has no end in sight.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/strong-passenger-rail-advocacy-needed seems to show the push has no end in sight.
x31
Fine then they can have one service a week at a random time do day returning the same day with N classes and N sets that may or may not actually actually be available to run it because they keep breaking.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
It's all very well to advocate for a "return of passenger rail services to Mildura", in an abstract sense, but have they thought about what they actually want?  

An overnight service?
A daytime service?
Both?
With what frequency?
Going to and from where?
Taking how long?
Going how fast?
Stopping at which intermediate stations?
Using what type of vehicles and motive power?
Obtaining these from where, and at what cost?

Have they considered who and how many would use the service, if it existed?

Once having decided these things, would they then have any concept of what would need to be done to the track, signalling, stations and other infrastructure, over many kilometres of line, before a passenger service could operate?  How long that would take, and how much it would cost?  Are they aware of other practical difficulties, such as a probable mix of gauges, and conflicts with freight traffic?
  cabidass Chief Train Controller


You only have to look at the growth in numbers of people using regional trains in Vic since the RFR project to see that if you build it they will come.
BrentonGolding


It's a valid argument. If building freeways increases usage until they are filled, why wouldn't building railways increase the usage until it's also filled?

Surely if the outcome applies to one, it would apply to the other..?

A question for the report writers perhaps..
  cabidass Chief Train Controller

Look at the WA Prospector, the Mildura train, if it happens will be something very similar in and out. The only question is will it be built on a V/lociity platform or something else, maybe the Prospector Generation 2?
RTT_Rules
At this stage we see the government moving towards Vlocities.

Whether this applies to any rebirth of the Mildura line at any time in the future with future governments is anyone's guess.
  cabidass Chief Train Controller

Aaaaaand Mildura top on the Victorian list for Dole bludgers... lol

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4596400/Australia-s-dole-bludger-suburbs-revealed.html

Sorry, couldn't resist..
  cabidass Chief Train Controller

Mildura has alot of parallels with Kalgoolie and hence I support the reintroduction for a rail passenger service and the rollingstock would be of similar standard. However, it will only work on a quality freight line, not what exists today. So unless the line is upgraded, forget it.
RTT_Rules
Mildura is also set to be a renewable energy hub. I dunno if that will affect the way the town (and patronage) develops.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I think the logical sequence of events would probably be;
- start upgrade of Mildura line.
- electrify the Geelong line
- purchase new electric rolling stock rated to 160km/h (can be done on 1500VDC)
- convert  the displaced Vlocities to long haul use and for some convert to SG.
- retire the aging N class locos and rolling stock.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Ballarat would be better as the first line reading the thread.
  cabidass Chief Train Controller

- convert  the displaced Vlocities to long haul use and for some convert to SG.
RTT_Rules
Why?

The Victorian government is already ready to build new long haul Vlocities, and if there are any redundant sets if Geelong finally gets electrified at some point in the next ten years, these will likely been used to infill extra services for other lines. The government is already proposing 40 minute timetable intervals for lines like Traralgon....
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Why aren't the people of Mildura entitled to a rail service when our major town and cities in Victoria are?

Because it's 550km away with little in between.

And also has 3 air carriers with service to Melbourne.
james.au

...at fares 4 times the cost of V/Line fares...
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Vline - $103.60.

Virgin Wed/Thu - $250.

$250/$103.60 = 2.4

2.4 =/= 4
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Why aren't the people of Mildura entitled to a rail service when our major town and cities in Victoria are?

Because it's 550km away with little in between.

And also has 3 air carriers with service to Melbourne.

...at fares 4 times the cost of V/Line fares...
The Vinelander
Because they are not subsidised and running at losses, unlike V/Line services would be...
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

Why aren't the people of Mildura entitled to a rail service when our major town and cities in Victoria are?

Because it's 550km away with little in between.

And also has 3 air carriers with service to Melbourne.

...at fares 4 times the cost of V/Line fares...
Because they are not subsidised and running at losses, unlike V/Line services would be...
james.au
Well actually, some regional services are subsidised to an extent, because the value of the service outweigh the cost of running it, even if it's not directly through fares (ie, filling connecting flights, government incentives).
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Vline - $103.60.

Virgin Wed/Thu - $250.

$250/$103.60 = 2.4

2.4 =/= 4
ZH836301


...and how does one get to/from Melbourne airport at no additional cost...walk perhaps Question

V/Line fares are inclusive of all METRO travel.

Moreover...who wants to travel midweek when weekends are the most popular travel times Question

Perhaps a little more thought is required before jumping to the defence of the airlines...

Mike.
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

Vline - $103.60.

Virgin Wed/Thu - $250.

$250/$103.60 = 2.4

2.4 =/= 4
ZH836301
If you plan about a week ahead, you can do a weekend in Mildura for $125 each way. Out Saturday, return Sunday.
  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Trains service is often a popular idea but, when it comes to the actual travel decision, travellers either elect to fly (quicker albeit often more expensive) or drive (depart at any time).

A good place to start in would be to look at patronage of the existing bus services, of which there appear to be 4 on a weekday:

- an overnight service via Donald & Maryborough
- 3 daylight services

How many people actually use land-based Public Transport now? And, of these, how many use it for intermediate stops not served by airlines. If there is enough demand to fill the buses (or even require multiple buses), then perhaps there is a business case beyond "a train might be nice".

Sponsored advertisement

Display from:   

Quick Reply

We've disabled Quick Reply for this thread as it was last updated more than six months ago.