Malcolm Turncoat's imploding act

 
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

Abbott is saying out loud all the things that Turnbull should be saying, but doesn't have the balls to do.
Abbott seems stronger now and more focussed on the issues than when he was PM.
Turnbull and the residing useless Libs will not be able to silence him so they should maybe listen because he is telling them what their policies should be. Won't be long and they won't have a chance of staying in power, and God help all of us and our electricity if Shorten and the hairy unwashed get in control.

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  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Cory is irrelevant. Reckon he'll be gone next time. And I don't want to reside on planet Bernadi anyway.
As for Malcolm, silencing Tony the wrecker (thanks Don) he won't  shut up, despite what he said about no whiteanting undermining, confident he thinks he has a chance at the big chair, again. Mal, will need to sleep with one eye open, the sharks are circling.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Abbott is saying out loud all the things that Turnbull should be saying, but doesn't have the balls to do.
Abbott seems stronger now and more focussed on the issues than when he was PM.
Turnbull and the residing useless Libs will not be able to silence him so they should maybe listen because he is telling them what their policies should be. Won't be long and they won't have a chance of staying in power, and God help all of us and our electricity if Shorten and the hairy unwashed get in control.
Showtime
Hahaha the Libs  still carrying on like its the 1950s. If we followed there logic on progress we'd still have a man with a red flag walking in front of cars and trains travelling no faster than 30mph

How anyone as stupid as Abbott became a Rhodes Scholar is beyond belief - I think ICAC should investigate Razz
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
And did you see Abbott on the news tonight, he thinks he's some kind of Churchillian hero of the Australian people; the only one who can rescue us from the nightmare of gay marriage. God help us if he really thinks that's the main issue.

I read an article recently about Jimmy Barnes visiting Elizabeth SA (his home town) and expressing alarm at the proliferation of booze, gambling and unemployment and wondering aloud if there was any plan to try and fix it. I have your answer here, Jimmy. NO. Nobody in Canberra gives a rat's about what's happening out there, they couldn't care less.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Hahaha the Libs  still carrying on like its the 1950s. If we followed there logic on progress we'd still have a man with a red flag walking in front of cars and trains travelling no faster than 30mph
"bingley hall"
If the bloke with the red flag is walking in front of cars or trains close to 30 mph, he's a braver man than I am, Gunga Din.
  kapow Junior Train Controller

Cory is irrelevant. Reckon he'll be gone next time. And I don't want to reside on planet Bernadi anyway. As for Malcolm, silencing Tony the wrecker (thanks Don) he won't shut up, despite what he said about no whiteanting undermining, confident he thinks he has a chance at the big chair, again. Mal, will need to sleep with one eye open, the sharks are circling.
michaelgm

Bernardi won't be gone at the next election, he has a 6 year senate term so even if his party falls to pieces he'll still be around for another term.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I sincerely hope that Tones comes back and finishes wreaking the Liberal Party, it would be all too funny.

I'm betting that Pyne will be demoted if only to keep the lunar right Tones supporters happy but it will only be a temporary fix. We seem doomed to have a half-buttock government drag itself out for as long as it possibly can... I guess Tones will challenge at some point soon if Malcolm keeps losing Newspolls?
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
I sincerely hope that Tones comes back and finishes wreaking the Liberal Party, it would be all too funny.

I'm betting that Pyne will be demoted if only to keep the lunar right Tones supporters happy but it will only be a temporary fix. We seem doomed to have a half-buttock government drag itself out for as long as it possibly can... I guess Tones will challenge at some point soon if Malcolm keeps losing Newspolls?
"don_dunstan"


The Mad Monk is certainly entertaining, but his real failing was the decision to remain in politics when the decent thing to do was to get out. Problem is - no Government would send him off to a senior diplomatic posting and it's hard to think of any suitable semi Government postings. So they are stuck with him.

And from a transport point of view, I'm certainly glad he is out because of his obsession with road funding and outright refusal to consider public transport infrastructure.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The Financial Review is reporting this afternoon that Tones gave a speech at the Center for Independent Studies telling it like it is:

In an address to the Centre for Independent Studies, Mr Abbott has slammed the French submarines chosen by the government to replace the ageing Collins Class fleet, saying they will take too long to build and may not be up to the job.
He advocates in the short term a least, the acquisition or lease of a nuclear powered submarine from the United States and in the long term, possible a fleet of such vessels. Mr Abbott said Labor's support would be needed and he credited Labor under Bill Shorten for not playing politics on national security. He was "confident" Mr Shorten's Labor would give his idea "a fair hearing".

Seems as though all the pretending is over now and Tones is putting himself out there as the REAL leader. I think it's high time Tones finished the job of destroying the Liberal Party... they both deserve each other.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The Mad Monk is certainly entertaining, but his real failing was the decision to remain in politics when the decent thing to do was to get out. Problem is - no Government would send him off to a senior diplomatic posting . . . .
"gippslander"
Oh I dunno. Send him to the Vatican and he can hobnob with Pell.
  9034 Train Controller

And did you see Abbott on the news tonight, he thinks he's some kind of Churchillian hero of the Australian people; the only one who can rescue us from the nightmare of gay marriage. God help us if he really thinks that's the main issue.

I read an article recently about Jimmy Barnes visiting Elizabeth SA (his home town) and expressing alarm at the proliferation of booze, gambling and unemployment and wondering aloud if there was any plan to try and fix it. I have your answer here, Jimmy. NO. Nobody in Canberra gives a rat's about what's happening out there, they couldn't care less.
don_dunstan
Sounds like a state issue.  So no one in the Labor Government in Adelaide gives a rat's about what is happening out there, and they couldn't care less.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Sounds like a state issue.  So no one in the Labor Government in Adelaide gives a rat's about what is happening out there, and they couldn't care less.
9034
Australia is full of Elizabeth-type suburbs, I went to Broadmeadows/Coolaroo earlier this year and it looks exactly the same; two-dollar shops, gambling, booze, social services and not much else.

State governments don't have the resources to deal with the issues that are being created on the urban fringes, Frank McGuire (VIC member for Broadmeadows) said exactly that earlier this year and asked aloud why our immigration rate was so high while places like Broadmeadows - where migrants typically end up - are already jobless deserts.

Not a recipe for a good outcome...
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
And did you see Abbott on the news tonight, he thinks he's some kind of Churchillian hero of the Australian people; the only one who can rescue us from the nightmare of gay marriage. God help us if he really thinks that's the main issue.

I read an article recently about Jimmy Barnes visiting Elizabeth SA (his home town) and expressing alarm at the proliferation of booze, gambling and unemployment and wondering aloud if there was any plan to try and fix it. I have your answer here, Jimmy. NO. Nobody in Canberra gives a rat's about what's happening out there, they couldn't care less.
Sounds like a state issue.  So no one in the Labor Government in Adelaide gives a rat's about what is happening out there, and they couldn't care less.
9034

Jobs and growth would be a good way of alleviating such issues.

Jobs and growth were Turnbull's words.

So is it a state or Federal issue?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The Financial Review is reporting this afternoon that Tones gave a speech at the Center for Independent Studies telling it like it is:

In an address to the Centre for Independent Studies, Mr Abbott has slammed the French submarines chosen by the government to replace the ageing Collins Class fleet, saying they will take too long to build and may not be up to the job.
He advocates in the short term a least, the acquisition or lease of a nuclear powered submarine from the United States and in the long term, possible a fleet of such vessels. Mr Abbott said Labor's support would be needed and he credited Labor under Bill Shorten for not playing politics on national security. He was "confident" Mr Shorten's Labor would give his idea "a fair hearing".

Seems as though all the pretending is over now and Tones is putting himself out there as the REAL leader. I think it's high time Tones finished the job of destroying the Liberal Party... they both deserve each other.
don_dunstan
I have always thought that we should be getting nuclear submarines rather than diesel/electric but, on the other hand, the RAN cannot maintain or man half the relatively conventional fleet that they have now.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
........but, on the other hand, the RAN cannot maintain or man half the relatively conventional fleet that they have now.
YM-Mundrabilla

There is a thread(s) on RP (can't remember where) where a former Collins class submariner (who is a current loco driver) has refuted these tabloid driven statements.

Funny that people who constantly bag the media and tell us not to believe what you read in the papers are usually the same ones that will immediately seize on anything negative as the gospel truth Razz
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
I remember that Bing, Arron got torn a new one.Also, I've got a brother in law who was based in Darwin a few years ago, he was up the food chain a bit and when exercises were going on, the Yanks couldn't detect the Collins class on numerous occasions .
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
When Tones said a few days ago, that he is in no hurry to go anywhere from Parliament, I take that to mean, that he will try and destroy the Turnbull Govt by chucking in hand grenades every so often,
Kind Regards
  9034 Train Controller

And did you see Abbott on the news tonight, he thinks he's some kind of Churchillian hero of the Australian people; the only one who can rescue us from the nightmare of gay marriage. God help us if he really thinks that's the main issue.

I read an article recently about Jimmy Barnes visiting Elizabeth SA (his home town) and expressing alarm at the proliferation of booze, gambling and unemployment and wondering aloud if there was any plan to try and fix it. I have your answer here, Jimmy. NO. Nobody in Canberra gives a rat's about what's happening out there, they couldn't care less.
Sounds like a state issue.  So no one in the Labor Government in Adelaide gives a rat's about what is happening out there, and they couldn't care less.

Jobs and growth would be a good way of alleviating such issues.

Jobs and growth were Turnbull's words.

So is it a state or Federal issue?
bingley hall
Ha, the cluster that is South Australia can in no way be blamed on the genius of Malcolm Turnbull.

From the Australian  http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/sa-bank-levy-makes-it-risky-place-for-infrastructure-investment/news-story/66797e1dd7aec1b83db3583648215532

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“The SA government delivered the infrastructure budget that wasn’t, only lifting capital funding by a miserly $66 million each year until 2020,’’ he said.
“SA infrastructure remains in the doldrums at a time when SA needs the jobs and activity from good infrastructure projects.
“With its intermittent electricity, sovereign risk on its major hospital project and now the surprise taxes on banks, it’s no wonder business perceives South Australia as a risky place to do business.’’

Labor has been in power now for 15 years in South Australia and I see nothing but desolation.  Time to drain the swamp.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
...

Labor has been in power now for 15 years in South Australia and I see nothing but desolation.  Time to drain the swamp.
9034
I really doubt that business investment in South Australia will suddenly die because a very modest state levy has been placed on the banks; much to the dismay of the banks it's likely that WA will almost certainly follow suit. Western Australia had a Liberal government for many years and they're in just as much trouble as SA is right now (the first thing the new Labor government had to do was borrow an 'emergency' $10 billion to keep paying public servants - obviously things weren't as rosy as Barnett was telling them) so I don't think the particular brand of government has anything to do with finances.

Our banks are the most profitable in the world (per capita), they can certainly afford it. Just because Anna Bligh et al. are running a vigorous campaign against it in the media predicting the sky to fall in doesn't make it true.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
When Tones said a few days ago, that he is in no hurry to go anywhere from Parliament, I take that to mean, that he will try and destroy the Turnbull Govt by chucking in hand grenades every so often,
Kind Regards
lsrailfan
He should have been forced by his own party to leave parliament - perhaps dis-endorsed from his seat like he did himself to Bronnie Bishop. The fact that he used this subterfuge of "I still have lots to offer" to run a long term campaign to return to the big chair was inevitable and totally predictable.

The losers are the Australian people.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Anyone with a super account or who pays tax, has a financial interest in the banks. (remember big banks are guaranteed by us) As has almost anyone with an investment in the market itself.
Any imposition WILL be met by the customer, profits will remain the same or better, and CEO's will be putting their hand out for a bigger slice of the pie. Just look at my KPI's or similar, I deserve it. Careful not to kill the golden goose.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Sky News is reporting this morning that Tones was rallying the troops telling them that they're letting themselves down by letting the party hierarchy do what they want to rank and file members (???). From Sky:

The Liberal party believes in free speech, yet when someone discusses ideas in the wrong way 'we expel them for god's sake', Mr Abbott said.
'This is just about the most illiberal thing any political party can do, and the Liberal Party in NSW is practising that day in and day out.'

Time to re-take the Liberal Party for the sake of those little people who never get heard, eh Tony?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Sky News is reporting this morning that Tones was rallying the troops telling them that they're letting themselves down by letting the party hierarchy do what they want to rank and file members (???). From Sky:

The Liberal party believes in free speech, yet when someone discusses ideas in the wrong way 'we expel them for god's sake', Mr Abbott said.
'This is just about the most illiberal thing any political party can do, and the Liberal Party in NSW is practising that day in and day out.'

Time to re-take the Liberal Party for the sake of those little people who never get heard, eh Tony?
don_dunstan
To quote the famous Bard: "The man grows madder by the hour, take him away".
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Anyone with a super account or who pays tax, has a financial interest in the banks.
michaelgm
But banking, finance and money is NOT the economy. I take the point about us all being invested in the outcome but the fact is if a market economy becomes too skewed towards a particular sector then it's not healthy and leaves us very vulnerable to external shock.
To quote the famous Bard, "The man grows madder by the hour, take him away"
nswtrains
Malcolm can't possibly let this thing drag on allowing it to remain the central issue - for the good of the nation they need to either get Abbott to leave parliament or maybe ask him to join Bernardi in their religious crusade. The Liberal Party falling apart while in government will not be in the national interest; nobody will win from that. We've already had several years of unstable government -

And what does Tony think he will gain from making a run for the big chair? Nobody in caucus will vote for him again - there's maybe a dozen MP's in the entire parliamentary party who would want him back but the rest of them quite sensibly recall the arrogance and inaction that came from the two years of his previous stewardship of the nation. He was a disaster and the public hated him.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

Malcolm can't possibly let this thing drag on allowing it to remain the central issue - for the good of the nation they need to either get Abbott to leave parliament or maybe ask him to join Bernardi in their religious crusade. The Liberal Party falling apart while in government will not be in the national interest; nobody will win from that. We've already had several years of unstable government -

And what does Tony think he will gain from making a run for the big chair? Nobody in caucus will vote for him again - there's maybe a dozen MP's in the entire parliamentary party who would want him back but the rest of them quite sensibly recall the arrogance and inaction that came from the two years of his previous stewardship of the nation. He was a disaster and the public hated him.
Don_dunstan
The liberal party seem to be trapped in a never ending downward spiral and for some reason (known only to himself) Tones is the chief stirrer.

Malcolm has said that if he is disposed from the leadership position he will quit politics and not remain to stir the pot.

Also was an article in todays Adelaide Sunday Mail proposing Julie Bishop as a possible replacement leader!

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