Whats the future for 2705?

 
  lightbulb36 Beginner

Location: Wollongong, NSW
I heard a couple of years ago that 2705 was nearing the end of her boiler life. How much longer does it have? Will it be repaired or put on static display? Are there any long term restoration projects at Thirlmere?

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  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Are there any long term restoration projects at Thirlmere?
lightbulb36
3801?
  lightbulb36 Beginner

Location: Wollongong, NSW
Are there any long term restoration projects at Thirlmere?
3801?
apw5910
I mean in the sense of replacing 2705 since I cant imagine they'd use 3801 to run shuttles on sundays.
  ssaunders Train Controller

Are there any long term restoration projects at Thirlmere?
3801?
I mean in the sense of replacing 2705 since I cant imagine they'd use 3801 to run shuttles on sundays.
lightbulb36

Seems not, they seem to have a declining fleet of both steam and diesel.
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Short term 2705 is still going ok and will be used for loop-line services.

Medium term they want to get 3265 back into service and use it on the shuttles (as well as main-line operation).

Long term who knows, but will likely overhaul 2705 and possibly another loco (wishful thinking).

The main constraints are money and the skills required to do these tasks.

Unfortunately at this time there are only three NSWGR steam locos in serviceable condition:
3642 - will need a 3526-style overhaul soon
3016 - not sure about it's condition, but given it's leased from the ARHS - ACT liquidators it can't be relied upon for long term service with the NSW Rail Museum
2705 - as above, can be used in the short term for light loads but who knows about its long term future.

Locos currently under active overhaul are:
3265 - ETA (?)
3237 - At Goulburn, ETA (?)
3526 - Should be done soon, though last heard it was pushed back to prioritise other projects
3801 - saga continues
5917 - ETA (?)
6029 - ETA (?) - Not sure why this loco isn't in service.

Happy to be corrected on any of the above. Note haven't classed 3830 as under active overhaul as it appears to have been shelved for the foreseeable future.

Cheers
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
When I first read the headline, I thought, "Why worry, 2705 is 688 years away yet."Rolling Eyes
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
When I first read the headline, I thought, "Why worry, 2705 is 688 years away yet."Rolling Eyes
Valvegear
Well my crystal ball is a bit murky where 2705 is concerned.

However, one thing is for sure.  If you are around at 00:01 on 01/01/2705 you will find out.

Happy waiting,

John
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Are there any long term restoration projects at Thirlmere?
3801?
apw5910
3801 is not at Thirlmere.  It is at Chullora, with various components at other locations.

Happy restoring,

John
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Short term 2705 is still going ok and will be used for loop-line services.

Medium term they want to get 3265 back into service and use it on the shuttles (as well as main-line operation).

Long term who knows, but will likely overhaul 2705 and possibly another loco (wishful thinking).

The main constraints are money and the skills required to do these tasks.

Unfortunately at this time there are only three NSWGR steam locos in serviceable condition:
3642 - will need a 3526-style overhaul soon
3016 - not sure about it's condition, but given it's leased from the ARHS - ACT liquidators it can't be relied upon for long term service with the NSW Rail Museum
2705 - as above, can be used in the short term for light loads but who knows about its long term future.

Locos currently under active overhaul are:
3265 - ETA (?)
3237 - At Goulburn, ETA (?)
3526 - Should be done soon, though last heard it was pushed back to prioritise other projects
3801 - saga continues
5917 - ETA (?)
6029 - ETA (?) - Not sure why this loco isn't in service.

Happy to be corrected on any of the above. Note haven't classed 3830 as under active overhaul as it appears to have been shelved for the foreseeable future.

Cheers
meh
Can't give an ETA on 3237.  Probably after 5917.  Much more work to be done on the grate and ashpan.  Then needs reassembly.  Over to LVR for advice.......

I have heard rumours 6029 has significant problems.  No official advice from NRM at the EGM on 23/05/17.  Did not get to ask any questions on 6029 as Q&A session was basically hijacked by a person/s from Northern Division NRM, upset about Broadmeadow lockout.  Any news on 6029's future use?

Also under restoration at Goulburn is 3112 at the CF Rail Services workshop, (No ETA!!) and 1076 at the GRHC.  Although it should be noted that it is not intended to main line accredit 1076.  Two FO's and 20km/h won't cut it on the main.

Happy steaming,

John (in not so sunny Goulburn)
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Short term 2705 is still going ok and will be used for loop-line services.

Medium term they want to get 3265 back into service and use it on the shuttles (as well as main-line operation).

Long term who knows, but will likely overhaul 2705 and possibly another loco (wishful thinking).

The main constraints are money and the skills required to do these tasks.

Unfortunately at this time there are only three NSWGR steam locos in serviceable condition:
3642 - will need a 3526-style overhaul soon
3016 - not sure about it's condition, but given it's leased from the ARHS - ACT liquidators it can't be relied upon for long term service with the NSW Rail Museum
2705 - as above, can be used in the short term for light loads but who knows about its long term future.

Locos currently under active overhaul are:
3265 - ETA (?)
3237 - At Goulburn, ETA (?)
3526 - Should be done soon, though last heard it was pushed back to prioritise other projects
3801 - saga continues
5917 - ETA (?)
6029 - ETA (?) - Not sure why this loco isn't in service.

Happy to be corrected on any of the above. Note haven't classed 3830 as under active overhaul as it appears to have been shelved for the foreseeable future.

Cheers
Can't give an ETA on 3237.  Probably after 5917.  Much more work to be done on the grate and ashpan.  Then needs reassembly.  Over to LVR for advice.......

I have heard rumours 6029 has significant problems.  No official advice from NRM at the EGM on 23/05/17.  Did not get to ask any questions on 6029 as Q&A session was basically hijacked by a person/s from Northern Division NRM, upset about Broadmeadow lockout.  Any news on 6029's future use?

Also under restoration at Goulburn is 3112 at the CF Rail Services workshop, (No ETA!!) and 1076 at the GRHC.  Although it should be noted that it is not intended to main line accredit 1076.  Two FO's and 20km/h won't cut it on the main.

Happy steaming,

John (in not so sunny Goulburn)
c3526blue
6029 is under care at Thirlmere along with other locos from Canberra. Due to this situation it may not be available for use until the liquidation of Canberra is sorted out. 6029 seemed to go alright last time it was in steam so I am not interested in rumors which some people seem to revel in. 3801 will be operational 2018 as it is required for certain key events next year. Rail Heritage are chucking enough money at it to make it happen. This is probably the reason 3830 has been pushed back as working on 2 38's is a bridge too far. There was an overview of what is happening to the fleet at Thirlmere in the last Roundhouse magazine.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Short term 2705 is still going ok and will be used for loop-line services.

Medium term they want to get 3265 back into service and use it on the shuttles (as well as main-line operation).

Long term who knows, but will likely overhaul 2705 and possibly another loco (wishful thinking).

The main constraints are money and the skills required to do these tasks.

Unfortunately at this time there are only three NSWGR steam locos in serviceable condition:
3642 - will need a 3526-style overhaul soon
3016 - not sure about it's condition, but given it's leased from the ARHS - ACT liquidators it can't be relied upon for long term service with the NSW Rail Museum
2705 - as above, can be used in the short term for light loads but who knows about its long term future.

Locos currently under active overhaul are:
3265 - ETA (?)
3237 - At Goulburn, ETA (?)
3526 - Should be done soon, though last heard it was pushed back to prioritise other projects
3801 - saga continues
5917 - ETA (?)
6029 - ETA (?) - Not sure why this loco isn't in service.

Happy to be corrected on any of the above. Note haven't classed 3830 as under active overhaul as it appears to have been shelved for the foreseeable future.

Cheers
meh
The work that 2705 does on the shuttles actually make it an ideal loco for that, after its chocolate runs on the main line it could be maintained well enough for what is seen as short haul operations and that is not going to wear her out quickly.

Unless an engine such as a 19cl could be sourced, using anything larger, even a 30T, or even a 30 tanker would not be really required for the current service.  Possibly be a cheaper option to keep serviceable enough for its current work load.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Dare I suggest GMR hires their 19 class to make money .......


David
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
6029 is under care at Thirlmere along with other locos from Canberra. Due to this situation it may not be available for use until the liquidation of Canberra is sorted out. 6029 seemed to go alright last time it was in steam so I am not interested in rumors which some people seem to revel in. 3801 will be operational 2018 as it is required for certain key events next year. Rail Heritage are chucking enough money at it to make it happen. This is probably the reason 3830 has been pushed back as working on 2 38's is a bridge too far. There was an overview of what is happening to the fleet at Thirlmere in the last Roundhouse magazine.
nswtrains
Actually NRM have advised that (at least) 6029 and 3016 are under lease from the administrator.  No further details have been forthcoming.  3016 was used by NRM at Maitland.  I have heard no advice on when/if 6029 will be used (if at all).  It would certainly bring a good income if operational and NRM could funnel profit from operations into a bailout fund for ARHS(ACT).

Hopefully if 6029 is not to run in the short term it is being stored properly.

Happy steaming,

John
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Sorry, I haven't been keeping up. Who or what are NRM (this week...)?
  4206 Chief Commissioner

Location: Dorrigo yard
Sorry, I haven't been keeping up. Who or what are NRM (this week...)?
apw5910
NSW Rail Museum
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Sorry, I haven't been keeping up. Who or what are NRM (this week...)?
NSW Rail Museum
4206
Thanks.

Oh, you mean NSW Rail (Transport) Museum.

"And everything old is new again..."
  Phantom47 Locomotive Driver

Location: In The Shire
The April is of 'Roundhouse' magazine reported the following in its Workshop & Fleet Report:

2705
As we could see the amount of work on 3526, combined with the growing work list on our carriages, we needed to give some serious thought to how we could deliver two steam locomotives for operational service at the Thirlmere Festival of Steam in March 2017.
We determined that the only way that this could realistically be achieved was to see if we could get our former Loop Line stalwart, 2705, back into operation.
The main activities to be undertaken were to jack the locomotive to enable us to remove driving wheels to enable axleboxes to be re-white-metalled and machined, along with a large amount of pad welding on the frames to reclaim material that had been worn away by the loose axleboxes (this was the main reason for withdrawing the locomotive from service). The boiler was also inspected and given a green light, although the boiler inspector has advised we need to carefully monitor the condition of the tubes.
With a decision to proceed with this work, Monday 23 January commenced with the boiler inspection, after which the locomotive was jacked up and all driving wheels and axle boxes were removed. This enabled the wear on the frames to be repaired, after which the locomotive was placed back on its wheels to enable trial steaming to occur on 9 February. This was an exceptional achievement but all the happy feelings were dampened when a small hole appeared in smokebox steam pipes during the first steam test of the locomotive on the roundhouse arrival road. New base portions were applied to the steam pipes, and along with a new cast monolithic brick arch, we successfully trial steamed the locomotive on 28 February in time to be used at the Thirlmere Festival of Steam on the weekend of 4–5 March.
The obvious question is: Why didn’t we do this earlier? The answer to that was a shortage of suitably skilled personnel to do this work, combined with other works that were being undertaken on 3830 and 3265 (both of which proved to be dead ends due to the additional works that were discovered when we started on them); then we got into the operational year where we encountered a large amount of out-of-course repairs which needed to be addressed.
We have achieved a very good result in being able to bring this locomotive back into operational service on the Loop Line; this is wholly due to the willingness of our workshop team in pulling together to make this happen. Congratulations to them—well done!


Does this help?

Phantom
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

The April is of 'Roundhouse' magazine reported the following in its Workshop & Fleet Report:

2705
As we could see the amount of work on 3526, combined with the growing work list on our carriages, we needed to give some serious thought to how we could deliver two steam locomotives for operational service at the Thirlmere Festival of Steam in March 2017.
We determined that the only way that this could realistically be achieved was to see if we could get our former Loop Line stalwart, 2705, back into operation.
The main activities to be undertaken were to jack the locomotive to enable us to remove driving wheels to enable axleboxes to be re-white-metalled and machined, along with a large amount of pad welding on the frames to reclaim material that had been worn away by the loose axleboxes (this was the main reason for withdrawing the locomotive from service). The boiler was also inspected and given a green light, although the boiler inspector has advised we need to carefully monitor the condition of the tubes.
With a decision to proceed with this work, Monday 23 January commenced with the boiler inspection, after which the locomotive was jacked up and all driving wheels and axle boxes were removed. This enabled the wear on the frames to be repaired, after which the locomotive was placed back on its wheels to enable trial steaming to occur on 9 February. This was an exceptional achievement but all the happy feelings were dampened when a small hole appeared in smokebox steam pipes during the first steam test of the locomotive on the roundhouse arrival road. New base portions were applied to the steam pipes, and along with a new cast monolithic brick arch, we successfully trial steamed the locomotive on 28 February in time to be used at the Thirlmere Festival of Steam on the weekend of 4–5 March.
The obvious question is: Why didn’t we do this earlier? The answer to that was a shortage of suitably skilled personnel to do this work, combined with other works that were being undertaken on 3830 and 3265 (both of which proved to be dead ends due to the additional works that were discovered when we started on them); then we got into the operational year where we encountered a large amount of out-of-course repairs which needed to be addressed.
We have achieved a very good result in being able to bring this locomotive back into operational service on the Loop Line; this is wholly due to the willingness of our workshop team in pulling together to make this happen. Congratulations to them—well done!


Does this help?

Phantom
Phantom47
Will not stop the stupid speculations of some who for whatever reason have it in for Thirlmere.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Thanks for the detailed info Phantom. I echo your words - "well done" by all concerned.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
6029 needs work done to the boiler. Work that was suggested to be done during the restoration period, never was. Throughout 2016, the problems were kept an eye on with work to be performed over the summer months in Canberra. This obviously never happened and for 6029 to operate again, it needs to be fixed.
  Salty21 Junior Train Controller

Location: Canberra
6029 needs work done to the boiler. Work that was suggested to be done during the restoration period, never was. Throughout 2016, the problems were kept an eye on with work to be performed over the summer months in Canberra. This obviously never happened and for 6029 to operate again, it needs to be fixed.
LowndesJ515
Well said Lowndes !
  DD-19 Chief Train Controller

Although they haven't been used for years, 1301 and 2029 were considered in reasonable good condition and runner candidates for museum branch line service.
Looking online at what they have in that multi million dollar workshop they have now, is a collection of big engines sucking up limited manpower resources.
Haven't been involved in that mob for 20 years, but I remember the 30T used to be a bit of an overkill on some steaming days.
  NSWGR 3827 Deputy Commissioner

Location: South of the Border
Although they haven't been used for years, 1301 and 2029 were considered in reasonable good condition and runner candidates for museum branch line service.
Looking online at what they have in that multi million dollar workshop they have now, is a collection of big engines sucking up limited manpower resources.
Haven't been involved in that mob for 20 years, but I remember the 30T used to be a bit of an overkill on some steaming days.
DD-19
The 30T was also much more suited to Mainline Running, than the 27, 13 or 20.
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
Although they haven't been used for years, 1301 and 2029 were considered in reasonable good condition and runner candidates for museum branch line service.
Looking online at what they have in that multi million dollar workshop they have now, is a collection of big engines sucking up limited manpower resources.
Haven't been involved in that mob for 20 years, but I remember the 30T used to be a bit of an overkill on some steaming days.
DD-19
Staying OT for a moment, photos show 13s were used on the loop line in the past.

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