Plane misses approach at airport due to fog

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 02 Aug 2017 11:04
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Interesting the plane had to divert to Sydney why not just back to Canberra or Adelaide which are both closer and not as busy?

Must be the week for it as several international flights were diverted away from Melbourne earlier in the week due to insufficient avgas supplies at Melbourne Airport meaning the aircraft could not be guaranteed the required amount of fuel for refueling purposes.

Plane misses approach at airport due to fog

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  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
The diversion to Sydney rather than back to Canberra could have been for a variety of reasons - the weather at Canberra could have closed in since they left for instance.

The fuel matter is something that Melbourne Airport and/or the fuel suppliers need to address - not good for their business if Airlines have to go elsewhere for fuel.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Enjoying dinner onboard the QR
Interesting the plane had to divert to Sydney why not just back to Canberra or Adelaide which are both closer and not as busy?
Must be the week for it as several international flights were diverted away from Melbourne earlier in the week due to insufficient avgas supplies at Melbourne Airport meaning the aircraft could not be guaranteed the required amount of fuel for refueling purposes.
bevans
Um, I wonder if the person who wrote several international flights were diverted away from Melbourne earlier in the week due to insufficient **avgas*** supplies at Melbourne Airport, actually knew international flight do not use avgas unless it is a piston powered aircraft. Try kerosene, not petrol, based fuel in jet aircraft eg Jet A-1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Interesting the plane had to divert to Sydney why not just back to Canberra or Adelaide which are both closer and not as busy?
Must be the week for it as several international flights were diverted away from Melbourne earlier in the week due to insufficient avgas supplies at Melbourne Airport meaning the aircraft could not be guaranteed the required amount of fuel for refueling purposes.
Um, I wonder if the person who wrote several international flights were diverted away from Melbourne earlier in the week due to insufficient **avgas*** supplies at Melbourne Airport, actually knew international flight do not use avgas unless it is a piston powered aircraft. Try kerosene, not petrol, based fuel in jet aircraft eg Jet A-1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel
petan
As you say Petan it is certainly kerosene.

The YMs and I arrived at Tullamarine around lunchtime last Saturday 29/7 on a Thai flight from Bangkok when we sat outside the terminal for 35 minutes or so waiting for a gate. This was during the gale force winds that were buffeting Melbourne at the time. The aircraft, although stationary at the time, rocked and 'jiggled' in the wind the whole time.

Back to the kerosene! During our waiting time, the aircraft cabin filled with kerosene fumes causing eye and throat irritation which lasted for at least an hour after deplaning. I don't know what could have been done to alleviate this but given the particular cabin crew on the flight I doubt that they would have either known of the problem nor cared.

There was good and bad news even after that in that everyone waited for over half an hour for their bags to start coming out (bad news) but the good news was that our cases were first onto the belt and 5 minutes later we were through Customs and into the car park.
  kitchgp Chief Train Controller

Interesting the plane had to divert to Sydney why not just back to Canberra or Adelaide which are both closer and not as busy?
bevans


Probably the most convenient point for the plane and/or its crew to resume their disrupted schedule, eg the plane was scheduled to fly to Sydney then Brisbane if it had managed to land at Melbourne. Also there would be a lot more spare capacity on the Sydney - Melbourne route to get the diverted passengers to Melbourne.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Um, I wonder if the person who wrote several international flights were diverted away from Melbourne earlier in the week due to insufficient **avgas*** supplies at Melbourne Airport, actually knew international flight do not use avgas unless it is a piston powered aircraft. Try kerosene, not petrol, based fuel in jet aircraft eg Jet A-1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel
petan

Thanks for your correction.

The details of the unavailable jet fuel at Melbourne Airport still stands.
  Lockspike Chief Train Controller

Um, I wonder if the person who wrote several international flights were diverted away from Melbourne earlier in the week due to insufficient **avgas*** supplies at Melbourne Airport, actually knew international flight do not use avgas unless it is a piston powered aircraft. Try kerosene, not petrol, based fuel in jet aircraft eg Jet A-1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

Thanks for your correction.

The details of the unavailable jet fuel at Melbourne Airport still stands.
bevans
I don't know who owns/controls the fuel storage facility at Melbourne airport, however I'm sure they will not pay for extra capacity for contingencies, unless there is a quick profit in it.
  kitchgp Chief Train Controller

If you're having trouble sleeping, this may help:

http://australianaviation.com.au/2016/02/mobil-to-build-new-pipeline-in-efforts-to-boost-fuel-supply-at-tullamarine/

The article is 18 months old, so whether or not the project has been completed is unknown.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Enjoying dinner onboard the QR
Auckland Airport (well Railpage covers both Australia and NZ) also has a fuel shortage with a leaky pipe the problem. The following notes on Sunday, the 7,676 nm Emirates flight from Auckland to Dubai would stop off at Christchurch Airport to "top up" with fuel.  
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/96926518/fuel-shortage-affects-auckland-airport-flights-after-leak-halts-supply
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Auckland Airport (well Railpage covers both Australia and NZ) also has a fuel shortage with a leaky pipe the problem. The following notes on Sunday, the 7,676 nm Emirates flight from Auckland to Dubai would stop off at Christchurch Airport to "top up" with fuel.  
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/96926518/fuel-shortage-affects-auckland-airport-flights-after-leak-halts-supply
petan

Would that flight be one of the longest single sectors for Emirates?
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Auckland Airport (well Railpage covers both Australia and NZ) also has a fuel shortage with a leaky pipe the problem. The following notes on Sunday, the 7,676 nm Emirates flight from Auckland to Dubai would stop off at Christchurch Airport to "top up" with fuel.  
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/96926518/fuel-shortage-affects-auckland-airport-flights-after-leak-halts-supply

Would that flight be one of the longest single sectors for Emirates?
bevans
Dubai - Auckland is one of the three longest scheduled flights in the world (the others are Singapore - New York and Sydney - Houston).
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Auckland Airport (well Railpage covers both Australia and NZ) also has a fuel shortage with a leaky pipe the problem. The following notes on Sunday, the 7,676 nm Emirates flight from Auckland to Dubai would stop off at Christchurch Airport to "top up" with fuel.  
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/96926518/fuel-shortage-affects-auckland-airport-flights-after-leak-halts-supply

Would that flight be one of the longest single sectors for Emirates?
Dubai - Auckland is one of the three longest scheduled flights in the world (the others are Singapore - New York and Sydney - Houston).
Bogong

Makes sense.  thanks for the reply.

So Christchurch refuelling would be a light refuel and then onto Auckland?

Also note Emirates do a Dubai to LAX sector which is quite a hike.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Auckland Airport (well Railpage covers both Australia and NZ) also has a fuel shortage with a leaky pipe the problem. The following notes on Sunday, the 7,676 nm Emirates flight from Auckland to Dubai would stop off at Christchurch Airport to "top up" with fuel.  
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/96926518/fuel-shortage-affects-auckland-airport-flights-after-leak-halts-supply

Would that flight be one of the longest single sectors for Emirates?
Dubai - Auckland is one of the three longest scheduled flights in the world (the others are Singapore - New York and Sydney - Houston).

Makes sense.  thanks for the reply.

So Christchurch refuelling would be a light refuel and then onto Auckland?

Also note Emirates do a Dubai to LAX sector which is quite a hike.
bevans
No.

If you read it properly it says from Auckland to Dubai.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Enjoying dinner onboard the QR
One of the longest routes by distance is Qatar Airways’ 921 Doha/ Auckland run at 7,848nm. Emirates flight from Auckland to Dubai is 7,676 nm.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
One of the longest routes by distance is Qatar Airways’ 921 Doha/ Auckland run at 7,848nm. Emirates flight from Auckland to Dubai is 7,676 nm.
petan
Whoops, I should have thought of that one! I should also have remembered that Singapore - New York has been suspended.

In any case, there is a Wikipedia page covering the subject in excessive detail, but the link I posted will take you to a table of the current longest commercial flights. All use A350, A 380, B777 or B787 aeroplanes

If you don't want to click on the link, the top eight are:
Auckland Doha Qatar Airways QR 921 14,524 km
Auckland Dubai Emirates EK 449 14,191 km
Dallas Sydney Qantas QF 8 13,799 km
Johannesburg Atlanta Delta Air Lines DL 201 13,573 km
San Francisco Singapore Singapore Airlines SQ 31 13,572 km
Abu Dhabi Los Angeles Etihad Airways EY 171 13,473 km
Dubai
Los Angeles Emirates EK 215
EK 217
13,391 km
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Air travel has changed a little in my lifetime.
In 1947, the original Kangaroo Route was flown by a Lockheed Constellation ( before the days of the Super Connie) with 29 passengers and 11 crew, and the fare cost more than two years' average wages.
The route was Sydney, Darwin, Singapore, Calcutta, Karachi, Cairo, Tripoli, London. The flight covered four nights, with 55 hours in the air and a total of 93 hours for the entire journey.
What an experience that would have been.

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