What a crap idea. No wonder the project has not kicked off.
Waurn Ponds rail depot: $115 million stabling facility in limbo more than two years after announcement
RAIL experts have urged the State Government to get on with building the Waurn Ponds stabling and maintenance yards — a project announced more than two years ago with the potential to create 130 jobs.
- still ample storage around Geelong and North Geelong Yard
- the tunnel is NOT an impediment to increasing the frequency of trains to Waurn Ponds / Warrnambool
Based on these two comments i see X31's point. GO use existing land that isn't needed in the existing rail reserve. The 20-25km or so is really not that long a distance to run empty. If thats a concern, just run the service back to North Geelong as a revenue earner. I bet Geelong would love a mini metro!
A question, what is the real estate market like in Geelong? Would there be any great urban regeneration benefits if the yards in geelong were converted to apartments/houses/suburbs??
As a community we are running a society. In or close to very built up areas I can understand why you would want to put housing close to CBDs, as the transport costs will be vastly reduced for residents, and the additional cost of moving rolling stock whilst higher, will be outweighed by the savings. In CBD areas of Sydney and Melbourne, that makes more sense given the huge employment hubs. But in smaller centres like Geelong it may not be as worth while. Hence my question to understand more about the Geelong situation.A question, what is the real estate market like in Geelong? Would there be any great urban regeneration benefits if the yards in geelong were converted to apartments/houses/suburbs??
Are we running a railway or a real estate business? Geelong is a major destination for communters as the bus network connects to Geelong Station. I fail to see how making a railway station a real estate development will translate to better and more timely services for Geelong/Melbourne Commuters.
This money would better be spent upgrading Geelong and other stations in the Geelong area.
When electrification comes to Geelong and it will Geelong Yard will be required to ensure sparks can be stabled as the tunnel as it is today will still be the same.
I think you'll find overseas that the most successful railways are real-estate businesses.A question, what is the real estate market like in Geelong? Would there be any great urban regeneration benefits if the yards in geelong were converted to apartments/houses/suburbs??
Are we running a railway or a real estate business? Geelong is a major destination for commuters as the bus network connects to Geelong Station. I fail to see how making a railway station a real estate development will translate to better and more timely services for Geelong/Melbourne Commuters.
On a separate matter the single track rail tunnel capacity was raised at the Forum and the consensus from experts at the Forum was the tunnel is NOT an impediment to increasing the frequency of trains to Waurn Ponds / Warrnambool.This makes sense. The real bottleneck is that there's only one short crossing loop (at Marshall) between Waurn Ponds and Geelong. A second platform at Waurn Ponds and possibly a long passing loop Up towards Marshall would be a good start, as there's plenty of land there and it would enable Warrnambool services to pass terminating Waurn Ponds services and so on.
- North Geelong yard is a freight yard and likely to have a significant portion of it gauge-converted. I doubt you'd get enough space there for even a maintenance-only facility with stabling elsewhere unless you moved most of the freight yard to somewhere else (like say, Gheringhap).
- Overnight stabling at the Waurn Ponds end will be needed in future for early-morning Up services anyway, so going the whole hog and building a maintenance facility there to enable overnight servicing as well as stabling makes a lot of sense.
So it is all about developers and not commuters?
I fail to see the merit in your argument. Are you saying railways cannot work efficiently without a maintenance depot at the end of the line when NSW has just announced a new maintenance hub at Sunni which is not at the end of the line?
That depends. North Geelong Yard is a convenient location for storing grain trains before they head to the unloading loop because it's so close by. It's also convenient for crew changes. As for fleet management: I doubt there'll be much net change.
- Re: North Geelong, will the freight yard be needed, or would it all be needed? Ive said before that Id suspect that operators would be able to better utilise their fleets and perhaps rake storage space needs would be reduced compared to what they were before?
- Why could overnight stabling not be done at North Geelong?
"Apparently the recalcitrant farmer won't sell his land and the government is loathe to compulsory acquire it due to IMO 'political factors' and the adverse publicity which would arise as a result of the acquisition"
The site is in a very marginal (Liberal) seat - there's no way they're going to grab a farmers land there.
The Government wants to compulsorily acquire about 35ha of the Larcombe’s 455ha farm, which would separate the farmhouse and sheds from the paddocks.
Public Transport Victoria wants a 200m-wide strip of the farm running 1.9km alongside the Melbourne-Warrnambool rail line, which bisects the farm.
Mr Larcombe crosses the rail line several times a day to move sheep around the farm and says PTV officials claim it would be too expensive to build an underpass.
He said the property, farmed by his family for 112 years and founded in 1855 by the state’s first European settlers, the Hentys, would be ruined as a working farm.