Malcolm Turncoat's imploding act

 
  allan Chief Commissioner

Meanwhile NXT has also suffered a blow with a South Australian MLC quitting, citing Nick Xenophon's 'dictatorship' as a factor in his leaving the party.
don_dunstan
And the Libs have lost Troy Bell, member for Mt Gambier, altogether, as he faces criminal charges...

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  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
how could so many people be unsure of their possible dual citizenship through lineage?
don_dunstan
This is the scary bit. I personally know someone who emigrated from the UK to Australia who is somehow considered (for Centrelink purposes) to be an Australian citizen even though they have never applied to become one. How does this happen? Perhaps because of marriage to an Australian (now deceased)? If this is so the I wasted my time taking Australian citizenship after marrying an Australian. I have dual citizenship, UK (by birth) and Australian (by choice).

It is completely ridiculous that other countries can somehow claim Australian citizens, especially those Australian born, as their own by changing one (or more) of their laws without notifying them of the change.
  allan Chief Commissioner

And the Libs have lost Troy Bell, member for Mt Gambier, altogether, as he faces criminal charges...
allan
Not altogether, after all. He'll remain an MP, but as an independent.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Allan,  is he State or Fed?
  allan Chief Commissioner

Allan,  is he State or Fed?
wobert
State...
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Canavan, Joyce and now Fiona Nash.
The National party has become a party of multi-nationals. Credit to Albo.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
thanks Allan
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

This is the scary bit. I personally know someone who emigrated from the UK to Australia who is somehow considered (for Centrelink purposes) to be an Australian citizen even though they have never applied to become one........
Graham4405

It may be that he or she is a British retiree. Australia has some sort of reciprocal pension arrangement with the UK. To quote from the ABC News article below:
"British Pensions in Australia estimates frozen UK pensions cost Australia more than $220 million a year.
That is because many British retirees receive partial pensions from both the UK and Australia. As the relative value of UK pensions decreases, pension payments from Australia rise to fill the gap."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-05/british-retirees-watch-frozen-pensions-disappear/8161786
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
And the Libs have lost Troy Bell, member for Mt Gambier, altogether, as he faces criminal charges...
allan
Interesting story, the allegations stem from his life before politics when he's accused of embezzling money. It should get to court before the end of year.
It is completely ridiculous that other countries can somehow claim Australian citizens, especially those Australian born, as their own by changing one (or more) of their laws without notifying them of the change.
Graham4405
Graham, in Barnaby's case he didn't even fill out the form properly when he applied to run for election to parliament - I have no sympathy for someone who deliberately doesn't complete paperwork and then pleads ignorance years later. He needs to leave parliament, he's guilty of breaking the rules - end of story. Suspending parliament for a while won't work, these people are fundamentally stupid and they can't follow rules; all that will do is buy Malcolm slightly more time till the inevitable drubbing at the next election.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

......"Couldn't let go", at least you were correct on one thing.....
RTT_Rules

The other 'things' are fact. Many people warned of the looming US subprime mortgage crisis and its effect on global markets (eg pension funds), including Peter Costello. John Howard had been on the nose for at least 2 years and his efforts to buy the 2007 election were a major cause of friction between the two.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
RTT said
  " no the mining boom was because of JH and LNP."


Have I read this right, are you claiming that John Howard and the LNP somehow engineered the once in a life time mining boom?
RTT... no doubt at all Wink

LNP can only 'manage' an economy that's managing itself i.e. the world buys what we have. That's why the last budget was all about the deficit being 'fixed' by the global recovery i.e. watch this space.
Groundrelay
And the ALP have a long history of spending other peoples money and leaving the problem to the next govt.

We can go round and round on this.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

And the current mob have addressed Tony's debt and deficit disaster?
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
From an article at SBS in June
"Economist Stephen Koukoulas said it had taken the former Labor government five years and nine months to increase gross debt by $220 billion, while the coalition had added $227 billion in three years and eight months"

And no GFC


And apparently now,It's just shy of half a trillion,and Scotty wants to raise the debt ceiling.


You were saying.....
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
And the Libs have lost Troy Bell, member for Mt Gambier, altogether, as he faces criminal charges...
Interesting story, the allegations stem from his life before politics when he's accused of embezzling money. It should get to court before the end of year.
It is completely ridiculous that other countries can somehow claim Australian citizens, especially those Australian born, as their own by changing one (or more) of their laws without notifying them of the change.
Graham, in Barnaby's case he didn't even fill out the form properly when he applied to run for election to parliament - I have no sympathy for someone who deliberately doesn't complete paperwork and then pleads ignorance years later. He needs to leave parliament, he's guilty of breaking the rules - end of story. Suspending parliament for a while won't work, these people are fundamentally stupid and they can't follow rules; all that will do is buy Malcolm slightly more time till the inevitable drubbing at the next election.
don_dunstan
Don (and others)
What sort of system do we have that allows people to represent this country because we trusted them to check their nationality status without doing a background check. But when they get found out all that happens is they loose their seat. Which potentially could cost the country from $10m to $250m in a bi-election or full election as is likely to occur and in the case of BJ, 99.9% chance he'll be re-elected. The senators are just sending in their next in line. So all that money for NOTHING!!!!!! To achieved NOTHING!!!!!!

Do they get the pension? DO they suffer any financial loss part from loosing their job? Are they even charged for falsifying their status? WHAT happens to them NOTHING!!!! What about the ones who genuinely didn't know or are victim of a law change in another country after they checked.

Meanwhile I want to work 1hr a week in a pre-school I need extensive background checks before I go in.

How many MP's have represented Australia over last 100 years who were illegally holding that seat and we want to do nothing about protecting the system in the future?

My own father was stateless for 25 years and didn't know because TWO countries broke their own laws and their agreement to a UN ruling. Australia was one of them. At anytime who could have checked his status with the other country (Netherlands) and they would have said he wasn't one of them and when he did check applying for a passport, they showed it a document which indicated he was an Australian, but he wasn't, Australia broke their own law in not granting his citizenship.

Even for those born in Australia, doesn't mean you are Australian. I have a friend, worked on a 457, first child born as only Canadian because 457 off-spring are not entitled to Aussie citizenship until their 10th birthday. However 2nd child was born after he started his application for PR, then they left the country for Dubai. Now because he started the process, the 2nd child born after the application date was an Aussie and Canadian as her parents were Canadian at time of birth. Only by pure chance he found out. So now back in Canada she is an Aussie and Canadian which unless by luck it was mentioned loosely too him and he checked, she would not know. Her older brother status was clear, they applied for a Aussie passport and where told no in writing, he's Canadian.  However in 40-50 years time if she was in to become an MP of Canada, what would she think? Especially if her parents were no longer around to tell her? Again why are we leaving to people to do their own checks and trust that?

We are current of immigrants, we need to disconnect our parliamentary process from laws written in other countries that apply to Australian citizens.

The System is broken, its about time we accepted it. We you get off the political bandwagon and dig a bit deeper, you will maybe understand the real issue. Meanwhile we have a growing list of legal issues and this is just another one.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-18/abolish-the-constitution-and-start-again/8816488
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The Senator for Islamophobia (formerly Senator for Asiaphobia) got deservingly slapped down by Brandis.
Groundrelay
Is it a "phobia" if you are in genuine physical danger from something (ie being run down by a truck while walking down the footpath in a Spanish street)?

Brandis and all the others who jeered at Pauline are out of touch with what the majority is thinking; its really only Salafi Islamists who would wear something like that anyway and they are too radical even for the majority of Sunnis. We need to stop trying to normalise marginal behaviour as if it's US who have the problem; have sympathy for the poor women who have to go around dressed in a tent with a peep-hole in the twenty-first century because of some mis-interpretation of a hadith by some silly clerics a few centuries ago.

Now we have Nick Xenophon in doubt too - there's probably a case for parliament to be suspended while they figure out who is eligible to be there. I would say the public's confidence in our parliament is just about zero right now - and whose fault is that?
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

That the system is broken is another discussion. It is the system we have now, and conform. If not on ya bike. I posted before, if you cause a by-election due to your incompetence and wish to stand again after complying with rules, then you or your party should pay for same.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Is it a "phobia" if you are in genuine physical danger from something (ie being run down by a truck while walking down the footpath in a Spanish street)?
don_dunstan
It's a phobia if you lump literally millions of law abiding Muslim people into one pile and accuse them of terrorism. Hanson does. She is an ignorant racist bigot.

I suffered Channel Seven's morning program today whilst in the laundrette. One clown was having a go at Brandis over his attack on Hanson. "And he said  anyone is allowed to be a bigot", exclaimed this dumb woman.  Brandis is right. You can be a bigot in Australia without being locked up. What he said doesn't imply that he is one or that he agrees with bigotry; he merely says it's legal.

Then we got Malcolm, "Er,  Um,  Y'know " -totally incapable of putting a sentence together without fumbling. Bring back Whitlam; at least he was articulate.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
And apparently now,It's just shy of half a trillion,and Scotty wants to raise the debt ceiling.
wobert
Scotty is absolutely clueless as to what to do next apart from leave things as they are... I guess that's just late-stage neoconservative thinking. He's probably relieved that the current troubles are taking the heat off him for the time being.

At some stage the international banking community will lose confidence in our ability to manage our own problems and they'll stop loaning us money - at that point we'll be royally screwed.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
It's a phobia if you lump literally millions of law abiding Muslim people into one pile and accuse them of terrorism. Hanson does. She is an ignorant racist bigot.
Valvegear
No, she is tackling the extremely repressive nature of an idea head on; she has guts that nobody else in the Senate does. And please stop calling it "racism" - pointing out the silliness of Salafi/Wahabist Islam is nothing to do with race.

Wearing that sort of thing only came into existence in the eighteenth century anyway - isn't not even an original Islamic tradition, it was invented by the extremist Salafis only relatively recently.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
No, she is tackling the extremely repressive nature of an idea head on; she has guts that nobody else in the Senate does. And please stop calling it "racism" - pointing out the silliness of Salafi/Wahabist Islam is nothing to do with race.
"don_dunstan"
You have a conveniently short memory, Don. Her last target was Asians, and she's not racist? Pull the other one. If you genuinely believe that her concern is only the oppression of Muslim women, you should give your rose-tinted spectacles a good clean and polish. I repeat; she is a racist bigot.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
...Wearing that sort of thing only came into existence in the eighteenth century anyway - isn't not even an original Islamic tradition, it was invented by the extremist Salafis only relatively recently.
don_dunstan
This woman’s the last person to be preaching enlightenment.

But it’s not just her cr&p about the burka. Throw in her fear mongering over Sharia Law, Halal, vaccination (probably from the same website).

What does she actually have to offer the country except irrational hatred of anything different that doesn’t fit into her narrow minded bleached white Australia.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
But it’s not just her cr&p about the burka. Throw in her fear mongering over Sharia Law, Halal, vaccination (probably from the same website).
Groundrelay
Some of her fears are irrational and others aren't; I don't like how people categorised her as deliberately insulting when she wore the burka into the Senate. Why is Islam unassailable as a religion to discuss and dissect? You're allowed to say and do whatever you want in relation to the Pope (jokes are encouraged actually which I guess is insulting if you are devout).
What does she actually have to offer the country except irrational hatred of anything different that doesn’t fit into her narrow minded bleached white Australia.
Groundrelay
As time has gone on she's become more coherent in what she stands for and she has clearly distanced herself from the racism of the past. She's the only politician who has been discussing the overpopulation in Sydney and Melbourne and frankly I think a lot of migrants would support where she's coming from on that - apparently she's polling quite well in western Sydney lately.

No good getting too hysterical about her - she's just another politician. As I've said before I admire the fact that the LNP muck team got her sent to jail yet here she is - back for more. She could easily have got a retirement job as a lobbyist like the rest of them do. You gotta admire someone with that kind of resilience and conviction even if you don't agree with her.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Wasn't the head of the LNP muck team, none other Tony?
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
The best  Pawleens ever looked, reminded me of Cousin It.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Wasn't the head of the LNP muck team, none other Tony?
michaelgm
I think you're right but I believe they've reconciled any personal difference since then.

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