Riverina Regional Tour Postponed

 
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang
https://www.nswrailmuseum.com.au/riverina  

Does anyone have any concrete information, not conjecture, about what "critical changes" have occurred to the "forward fleet maintenance program?"  As a NSW Rail Museum member I have to say it would be nice if the membership at least were kept more promptly informed as to why our only tour engine has presumably been withdrawn.  Is the planned summer maintenance going to take longer than initially thought or has 3642 actually been failed?

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  Spletsie Chief Commissioner

The operational fleet is rather thin at the moment. I don't think there is any backup if there are problems with 3642.
  apw5910 Chief Train Controller

Location: Location: Location.
The operational fleet is rather thin at the moment. I don't think there is any backup if there are problems with 3642.
Spletsie
EOI's for 6029 due in tomorrow...
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
The operational fleet is rather thin at the moment. I don't think there is any backup if there are problems with 3642.
EOI's for 6029 due in tomorrow...
apw5910
....and it is non-operational too.  Boiler Certificate has expired and boiler/bearings work required.  So the only operational main line loco is/was 5917 (excluding 3016 as it is a branch line loco).

Is this a sign of future mainline steam operations in NSW?

Happy ruminating,

John
  Piston Train Controller

The operational fleet is rather thin at the moment. I don't think there is any backup if there are problems with 3642.
EOI's for 6029 due in tomorrow...
....and it is non-operational too.  Boiler Certificate has expired and boiler/bearings work required.  So the only operational main line loco is/was 5917 (excluding 3016 as it is a branch line loco).

Is this a sign of future mainline steam operations in NSW?

Happy ruminating,

John
c3526blue
Come to Victoria if you still want to ride behind steam. Double R class to Bendigo last weekend operated by SteamRail
  Spinner5711 Train Controller

Riverina Trip postponed to allow summer maintenance to be done now.

3642 is being 'conserved' to allow it to be available for Thomas weekend(s) and Festival of Steam March 2018.

Summer maintenance being done now to allow workshop staff to join 'all hands to the pumps' on 3801 from November 2017 onwards to make sure it is completed for Festival of Steam March 2018, as promised in the last Roundhouse and other public announcements.
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang
Riverina Trip postponed to allow summer maintenance to be done now.

3642 is being 'conserved' to allow it to be available for Thomas weekend(s) and Festival of Steam March 2018.

Summer maintenance being done now to allow workshop staff to join 'all hands to the pumps' on 3801 from November 2017 onwards to make sure it is completed for Festival of Steam March 2018, as promised in the last Roundhouse and other public announcements.
Spinner5711
There we go, probably a good move in the long term.  Who knows, we might even see 3526 early next year too!
  NSWGR 3827 Deputy Commissioner

Location: South of the Border
Summer maintenance being done now to allow workshop staff to join 'all hands to the pumps' on 3801 from November 2017 onwards to make sure it is completed for Festival of Steam March 2018, as promised in the last Roundhouse and other public announcements.
Spinner5711
If you ask me it's Fatal error to make a promise like that long before it's actually finished.
  Spinner5711 Train Controller

Summer maintenance being done now to allow workshop staff to join 'all hands to the pumps' on 3801 from November 2017 onwards to make sure it is completed for Festival of Steam March 2018, as promised in the last Roundhouse and other public announcements.
If you ask me it's Fatal error to make a promise like that long before it's actually finished.
NSWGR 3827

I agree.  Worldwide, there is one constant with preservation era locomotive overhauls.  No matter how well the overhaul is managed (for the want of a better word), it takes longer than reasonably expected.

Two examples are 'Flying Scotsman' in the UK and C&O 1309 in the USA.
  hbedriver Junior Train Controller

Still better to come to Victoria to see steam locos running. Even Queensland proportionately to population seems to do better than NSW.

In Victoria in the last few months, we see A2 986, K153, K190, R707, R711, R761 running main line tours, plus J549, K163, Na 6/7/8/12/14 and G42 on tourist railways. Additionally D3 639 available. Under heavy repairs/restoration are J515 (recently steam trialled) and K160. That is only the ex-VR locos.

The NSW experience is disappointing. So many good locos have operated in the preservation period, so few now available. I worked with a chap who is now with NSWRTM; I know he is brilliant with steam and has already done good things, but there seems to be a lot of work to do.

The co-operation between all the groups in Victoria is excellent, even to the point of borrowing components, manpower and even locos at short notice. Wonder how many of the issues in NSW in the last decade or so might have worked against the wider movement, to everyone's disadvantage.

Still 3801 is a wonderful machine, and I am looking forward to seeing it running again, doing what it was designed to do.

As to the Riverina trip being cancelled, if due to loco problems, that happens. Steam locos are often temperamental, things do go wrong unexpectedly. It is because they are steam locos, as I said to one chap after he had been flogged and embarrassed by an uncooperative loco a few months back; they do that. No idea why, just accept it.
  apw5910 Chief Train Controller

Location: Location: Location.
Two examples are 'Flying Scotsman' in the UK and C&O 1309 in the USA.
Spinner5711
Or 3801 in NSW...
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Even Queensland proportionately to population seems to do better than NSW.
hbedriver
Sadly there are very few steam locos operational in Queensland at present. The only 1067mm gauge ones I know of are:
BB18¼ 1089 (QR Heritage)
AC16 221A (QR Heritage)
C17 974 (QR Heritage) (I'm unsure of operational status)
C17 971 (SDSR, Warwick)
PB15 448 (QPSR, Ipswich)

There are also a few 610mm locos running around at ANGRMS Woodford and ASCR Bundaberg. I'm unsure which locos are currently operational at these sites.
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang
Still better to come to Victoria to see steam locos running. Even Queensland proportionately to population seems to do better than NSW.

In Victoria in the last few months, we see A2 986, K153, K190, R707, R711, R761 running main line tours, plus J549, K163, Na 6/7/8/12/14 and G42 on tourist railways. Additionally D3 639 available. Under heavy repairs/restoration are J515 (recently steam trialled) and K160. That is only the ex-VR locos.

The NSW experience is disappointing. So many good locos have operated in the preservation period, so few now available. I worked with a chap who is now with NSWRTM; I know he is brilliant with steam and has already done good things, but there seems to be a lot of work to do.

The co-operation between all the groups in Victoria is excellent, even to the point of borrowing components, manpower and even locos at short notice. Wonder how many of the issues in NSW in the last decade or so might have worked against the wider movement, to everyone's disadvantage.

Still 3801 is a wonderful machine, and I am looking forward to seeing it running again, doing what it was designed to do.

As to the Riverina trip being cancelled, if due to loco problems, that happens. Steam locos are often temperamental, things do go wrong unexpectedly. It is because they are steam locos, as I said to one chap after he had been flogged and embarrassed by an uncooperative loco a few months back; they do that. No idea why, just accept it.  
hbedriver
Indeed, I think further cooperation between groups is the only way forward in NSW.  Only together do all groups operating steam have the resources to keep an adequate number of engines serviceable.  I am currently volunteering at a heritage railway in the UK that has more serviceable engines than NSW has had in many years, yet even here we rely on a lot of cooperation with other organisations.  Examples of this include certain railways that specialise in certain areas.  The South Devon Railway specialises in turning wheels and replacing tires as well as manufacturing boiler components whilst other places specialise in things like springs and the North York Moors Railway makes oiling pads for steam railways across the world.  

The more I see in working on overhauls and running maintenance here the more I think that there should be one strategic plan encompassing all steam operating organisations in NSW (of which there are not that many anyway) that includes providing serviceable boilers + other components, facilities, in-house expertise and developing ongoing relationships with contractors.  An example of this is where LVR and NSW Rail Museum both operate 32 class engines.  It would be logical to devise a long-term plan where both organisations pool their efforts in maintenance and overhauls, as well as to potentially work towards a point where there are more boilers than engines.

Sharing and development of skills is the most important aspect NSW needs to consider.  The UK steam scene is fortunate enough to be a small industry that enough people can make a career in for there to be a large pool of very skilled people, however, NSW doesn't have that capacity.  If all steam operators shared training, knowledge and facilities as well as perhaps paid employees (particularly boiler smiths, fitters and machinists) then a high quality of work can be maintained across the board.  Furthermore, if particular facilities were continuously completing boiler work and other overhaul tasks it would maintain an accumulation of skills. It's like the importance of the naval ship building industry in Australia having a continuous stream of work to keep the industry's standards high.
  ivahri Train Controller

If the Dorrigo collection was acquired by the ORH, by what ever means necessary, and housed in either a restored Broadmeadow, or an expanded Thirlmere, and provided with additional funding for preservation... the situation in NSW would be very different. So much of a moveable rail history is being wasted in Dorrigo.


Richard
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Could be worse. Think WA...
  Shed_Rat Train Controller

Location: 'A' Shop - Swindon Works
If the Dorrigo collection was acquired by the ORH, by what ever means necessary, and housed in either a restored Broadmeadow, or an expanded Thirlmere, and provided with additional funding for preservation... the situation in NSW would be very different. So much of a moveable rail history is being wasted in Dorrigo.


Richard
ivahri
That won't work Broadmeadow is already full with the refugees from the ORH Trainworks redevelopment of Thirlmere. Also the ORH has been defunct for several years now.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

If the Dorrigo collection was acquired by the ORH, by what ever means necessary, and housed in either a restored Broadmeadow, or an expanded Thirlmere, and provided with additional funding for preservation... the situation in NSW would be very different. So much of a moveable rail history is being wasted in Dorrigo.


Richard
ivahri
... moveable rail history is rusting away in Dorrigo.

Seriously though, we are lucky here in Victoria.  And yet 10 years ago it was arguably the other way around.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

If the Dorrigo collection was acquired by the ORH, by what ever means necessary, and housed in either a restored Broadmeadow, or an expanded Thirlmere, and provided with additional funding for preservation... the situation in NSW would be very different. So much of a moveable rail history is being wasted in Dorrigo.


Richard
... moveable rail history is rusting away in Dorrigo.

Seriously though, we are lucky here in Victoria.  And yet 10 years ago it was arguably the other way around.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Could be worse. Think WA...
gw0071
Like all the ex CR rolling stock languishing in Perth.
Is anything being done with any of this to celebrate the centenary of the completion of the Trans-Australian Railway?
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
Could be worse. Think WA...
gw0071
Yarloop fire?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I was thinking more of a WA version of Dorrigo so far as the ex CR rolling stock is concerned.
  ssaunders Train Controller

Summer maintenance being done now to allow workshop staff to join 'all hands to the pumps' on 3801 from November 2017 onwards to make sure it is completed for Festival of Steam March 2018, as promised in the last Roundhouse and other public announcements.
If you ask me it's Fatal error to make a promise like that long before it's actually finished.

I agree.  Worldwide, there is one constant with preservation era locomotive overhauls.  No matter how well the overhaul is managed (for the want of a better word), it takes longer than reasonably expected.

Two examples are 'Flying Scotsman' in the UK and C&O 1309 in the USA.
Spinner5711

Spinner5711, are you suggesting the 3801 overhaul was handled well? Do you know something the fans do not Smile
  nswtrains Deputy Commissioner

Summer maintenance being done now to allow workshop staff to join 'all hands to the pumps' on 3801 from November 2017 onwards to make sure it is completed for Festival of Steam March 2018, as promised in the last Roundhouse and other public announcements.
If you ask me it's Fatal error to make a promise like that long before it's actually finished.

I agree.  Worldwide, there is one constant with preservation era locomotive overhauls.  No matter how well the overhaul is managed (for the want of a better word), it takes longer than reasonably expected.

Two examples are 'Flying Scotsman' in the UK and C&O 1309 in the USA.

Spinner5711, are you suggesting the 3801 overhaul was handled well? Do you know something the fans do not Smile
ssaunders
C&O 1309 is now running (that loco is almost twice the weight of anything we have), 3801 March 2018 so its not all that bad. I would love to see 1309 running have seen it in a static condition but will wait until Big Boy is finished. The Yanks have real steam locos although it was nice to see Flying Scotsman over here (but not an exciting loco).
  crisfitz Chief Commissioner

Location: Enroute somewhere
I was thinking more of a WA version of Dorrigo so far as the ex CR rolling stock is concerned.


WA is in a sad state for sure. W920 is (just) still working at HVTR, although she gets pushed along by an F class diesel most the time. W945 has been under restoration for years as a replacement, but as to when she'll get up is anyones guess.

S549 is also under restoration (By ARHS WA / RHWA), but again the timeline is rather speculative at the moment. When she does get back up and running it will be for the Wheatbelt Heritage Railway, some 200km from Perth. How many times a year she'll actually run is also a guess at the moment.

Even Bennett Brook Railway at Whiteman Park (2' gauge) has been down to 1 operating steam loco for many years.

If you want to see a WA Dorrigo then head to Pemberton. Large collection of rollingstock (steam and diesels, coaches and freight vehicles), all operational when taken there, now rusting away in one of the wettest towns in WA Sad

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