Gheringhap-Geelong Port post Murray Basin

 
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Ive been looking at this part of the network recently and am thinking that post Murray Basin, this section of track probably could do with some rationalisation too, no?  

1. Theres will be no BG track north and west of Gheringhap so any BG track from the junction near North shore to Gheringhap will be somewhat redundant (if nothing else, useful for wagon storage only).

2. The grain loop in Geelong (DG - correct me If I'm wrong) will see far less BG traffic and so the BG lines may be nearly redundant there (though Im not sure whether Bendigo and Tocumwal grain trains get down to Geelong or if they go to Appleton).

3. There will be a whole raft of BG track that is probably going to be unused in and around the Geelong area, aside perhaps for some storage of BG wagons that are not used all that often.


Has anyone heard of any other project post MBRP to clean up this part of the network?

Sponsored advertisement

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Grain to Geelong comes from the Northern and North East lines also.

I think one line from North Geelong to Gheringhap is actually DG so what could be removed however remember there is a rather large Ethanol plant slated for Gheringhap and this may require BG.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Grain to Geelong comes from the Northern and North East lines also.
bevans
How much?  And how do they get into the loop?  They would have to back in from the Western SG no?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Grain to Geelong comes from the Northern and North East lines also.
How much?  And how do they get into the loop?  They would have to back in from the Western SG no?
james.au
Quite a lot of BG grain from North and NE goes to Geelong.  Probably 100000+ tonnes P.A.  They run around in Geelong yard IIRC.

Another use for BG to Gheringhap - A2 986 went up the hill to Gheringhap last year as part of its test runs....
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Grain to Geelong comes from the Northern and North East lines also.
How much?  And how do they get into the loop?  They would have to back in from the Western SG no?
Quite a lot of BG grain from North and NE goes to Geelong.  Probably 100000+ tonnes P.A.  They run around in Geelong yard IIRC.

Another use for BG to Gheringhap - A2 986 went up the hill to Gheringhap last year as part of its test runs....
Carnot
North presumably means the Tocumwal and Deniliquin/Moulamein lines (and perhaps Swan Hill depending on definition), and yes, they would have to go past and reverse somewhere to get to the Grain loop. Anything from the NE is already on SG.

Just like keeping the BG from Gheringhap to Warrenheip for Metro transfers, I doubt keeping it even that far for Heritage trains or testing would stack up either.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Is the plan to still ruin with DG from Gheringhap to Ballarat?  if so and if BG is required then put back the second track which would be a better option?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Is the plan to still ruin with DG from Gheringhap to Ballarat?  if so and if BG is required then put back the second track which would be a better option?
x31
No - Warrenheip to Gheringhap is SG only.  No BG/DG.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Is the plan to still ruin with DG from Gheringhap to Ballarat?  if so and if BG is required then put back the second track which would be a better option?
x31
No.  SG from Gheringhap to Warrenheip Junction.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
How about extending the duplicated North Geelong - Moorabool section all the way to Gheringhap? Loaded grainies could be staged along that section and interstate + empty grainies could be routed around them using the existing Anakie Road Loop + Moorabool Loop SG crossovers and by converting the Down end of Moorabool Loop into another crossover.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Could it make sense to hand the loop over to ARTC given the majority of throughput will probably come from SG anyway and so SG network integrity may become more important than BG network integrity?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Could it make sense to hand the loop over to ARTC given the majority of throughput will probably come from SG anyway and so SG network integrity may become more important than BG network integrity?
james.au
Decommissioning BG access past somewhere like Thompsons Rd Geelong would be a good idea. Leave any DG track and points past there in place unless they interfere with SG operations. That way you retain the BG triangle and not much more else, which is just about the only use the Geelong-Gheringhap section will have for BG trains post-MBRP.

Handing over all operation of the Gheringhap-Geelong section to ARTC would also be a good idea.
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Grain to Geelong comes from the Northern and North East lines also.

I think one line from North Geelong to Gheringhap is actually DG so what could be removed however remember there is a rather large Ethanol plant slated for Gheringhap and this may require BG.
bevans
As grain will be used in the process it would be my bet that DG will stay especially if they source their grain from Northern Victoria and it's railed to the plant.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Could it make sense to hand the loop over to ARTC given the majority of throughput will probably come from SG anyway and so SG network integrity may become more important than BG network integrity?
Decommissioning BG access past somewhere like Thompsons Rd Geelong would be a good idea. Leave any DG track and points past there in place unless they interfere with SG operations. That way you retain the BG triangle and not much more else, which is just about the only use the Geelong-Gheringhap section will have for BG trains post-MBRP.

Handing over all operation of the Gheringhap-Geelong section to ARTC would also be a good idea.
LancedDendrite
Is there any BG freight that originates from or is destined to the Geelong area apart from Grain?

Assuming No, then all of the North Geelong Yard west of the Warrnambool lines could become SG as well.
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
I would not count on North Geelong yard being used for rail freight in the medium to long term.

I recall in the past this being mentioned as the area is a prime candidate for medium to high density housing due to it's location. I have tried to dig up articles relating to this but haven't been able to find them.



Deakin Uni have recently published the Geelong Economic Futures report that mentions asset recycling of the yard to fund other projects. Contributors to this report come pretty well credentialed when it comes to rail.

http://www.deakin.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/925170/future-economic-opportunities.pdf
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Grain to Geelong comes from the Northern and North East lines also.

I think one line from North Geelong to Gheringhap is actually DG so what could be removed however remember there is a rather large Ethanol plant slated for Gheringhap and this may require BG.
As grain will be used in the process it would be my bet that DG will stay especially if they source their grain from Northern Victoria and it's railed to the plant.
SamTheMan79
More grain would be availble from the North West which is soon to all be on SG, so id be voting on the SG side of the list, IMO.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
I would not count on North Geelong yard being used for rail freight in the medium to long term.

I recall in the past this being mentioned as the area is a prime candidate for medium to high density housing due to it's location. I have tried to dig up articles relating to this but haven't been able to find them.



Deakin Uni have recently published the Geelong Economic Futures report that mentions asset recycling of the yard to fund other projects. Contributors to this report come pretty well credentialed when it comes to rail.

http://www.deakin.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/925170/future-economic-opportunities.pdf
SamTheMan79

Ive seen reference to that concept too, perhaps only here though.

The plans you have put out there are ideas looking for a proponent though - i.e. works designed to inform/lobby government.  Probably some good ideas, but they're not in the government department planning pipeline, yet.
  VicRailNews Station Master

The yard is required and would anyhow cost a fortune to clean up.

Looking at the plan for SG does anyone know if money has been set aside for BG to SG conversion of some of the roads at North Geelong which are probably required since there is less now available at Marybrough and Melbourne.

Where are all these wagons going to layover?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Assuming No, then all of the North Geelong Yard west of the Warrnambool lines could become SG as well.
mikesyd

Nice one, mikesyd and adding more standard gauge fleet to the system, as we've spoken about in other threads.

BigShunter.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
I would not count on North Geelong yard being used for rail freight in the medium to long term.

I recall in the past this being mentioned as the area is a prime candidate for medium to high density housing due to it's location. I have tried to dig up articles relating to this but haven't been able to find them.



Deakin Uni have recently published the Geelong Economic Futures report that mentions asset recycling of the yard to fund other projects. Contributors to this report come pretty well credentialed when it comes to rail.

http://www.deakin.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/925170/future-economic-opportunities.pdf
SamTheMan79
Not exactly the most desirous of locations with Industrial areas around most of it. Let Bevans know if it goes ahead though, a good place for a webcam.

Edit, as noted in another post, its probably rather polluted having served rail for over 150 years, and no doubt will cost a heap to clean up for other purposes.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW


Looking at the plan for SG does anyone know if money has been set aside for BG to SG conversion of some of the roads at North Geelong which are probably required since there is less now available at Marybrough and Melbourne.

Where are all these wagons going to layover?
VicRailNews

As I've said in other threads, Id expect wagon layover to be much less when the BG track is converted as the SG fleet should be off doing its next job instead of waiting around for nothing.


Can someone point to places in NSW or on the DIRN that wagons layover like they (currently) do on the BG network??
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
And re the yards, if the price is right, the cost to clean up the pollution may not be that much of a problem.  The fact that they are near industry may not also be an issue given the not insignificant area they cover which might generate its own community.  Not that it is a great comparison but look at Mascot station in Sydney.  Only a few years ago it was a huge freight/industrial/commercial area.  Now there are high-rise apartments everywhere.  Things change.  Though noted, it is Geelong and its not part of a large city like Sydney.
  Tony M. Locomotive Fireman

There may have been other reports elsewhere, but the only real talk in the local media about turning rail yards in Geelong into housing sites has been converting the stabling areas between Pakington St and La Trobe Terrace.

The North Geelong yards are surrounded by (increasingly disused) industrial areas that would be a lot easier to turn into housing sites than the yard itself.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
There may have been other reports elsewhere, but the only real talk in the local media about turning rail yards in Geelong into housing sites has been converting the stabling areas between Pakington St and La Trobe Terrace.

The North Geelong yards are surrounded by (increasingly disused) industrial areas that would be a lot easier to turn into housing sites than the yard itself.
Tony M.
The fact that the surrounding areas are increasingly disused is an indicator for me that wholesale redevelopment could be a good reuse.

Sponsored advertisement

Subscribers: james.au

Display from:   

Quick Reply

We've disabled Quick Reply for this thread as it was last updated more than six months ago.