50 level crossings to be removed

 
  James974 Assistant Commissioner

I think the amount of money being spent on this could be spent better elsewhere. look at those ramps that stop cars going onto crossing around the world, surely a lot cheaper than this politicians vanity project?
b class diesel
Vanity: excessive pride in or admiration of one's own appearance or achievements.

I don't see the issue politician priding these railway works, this is one of the biggest rail project in recent Melbourne history. And no doubt expensive but the benefits a widespread.

Pedestrians, cycling, commuter, driver benefit from new paths and connections, less travel time.
Local business owners and residents benefit by making the area more accessible and revitalised
And potentially developers, investors will be attracted to the area boosting the economy and increasing the density of suburbia.
Also enables busier lines to operate much higher frequencies without delaying road traffic (only applies to Dandenong/Sunbury corridor in current program)

As for could be spent elsewhere, if it were to be spent elsewhere, it would be more likely to be spent on road upgrades and another freeway than another rail project.

Be thankful this is happening, it definitely the right project since nowhere else has 180 level crossings on its metro rail, European cities have it over and underground. It makes our rail network like a light rail system and not a full developed metro system. Whenever all the busier crossings are removed then it become a waste and not worth removing the rest and instead closing them off.

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  b class diesel Station Staff

You think wrong.
"LancedDendrite"


Only voicing my opinion sir
  b class diesel Station Staff

My apologies to all concerned.
  James974 Assistant Commissioner

My apologies to all concerned.
b class diesel
You don't need to apologise, this is place for discussion and informative arguments on rail topics around Australia and beyond. You may have misjudged this project as another political pork barreling projects to gain seats, but in general despite the list of crossings being in marginal areas, most of them actually make sense, it terms of congestion, arterial network and rail network.

If anything is a waste of money it would be the high speed rail proposal that keeps popping up in the news. That is way to expensive to implement and the benefits would be minimal at best. That is what is called a Vanity project, Labor prided itself on the study and nothing happened under Liberals. Despite no funding, politician like the mention this project just before the election and never mention it again. Thats a perfect example of a project done only for political intent, not public interests.
  rokaifly Beginner

It's about easing road congestion and creating a less divided community, not creating safer level crossings
  Lad_Porter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
It's about easing road congestion and creating a less divided community, not creating safer level crossings
rokaifly
It's also about removing the constraints associated with crossings, which include the risk of accidents.  You don't make a crossing safer by removing it - once it is gone it no longer exists, therefore neither safe nor unsafe from then on.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I see the Up ramp for the Mile Creek / Chandler Road elevated section has started, with piles of spoil been dumped In piles along the ramp area.

The gap between the new Mile Creek bridge and the Chandler Road bridge looks rather odd, but I guess that will all fill up with spoil.

I wonder If the spoil will come from the Clayton Tip were all the spoil that came from the Ormond - Bentleigh project was dumped ?

Centre Road Clayton had 3 of the 4 beams placed across It last night.

There are 13 spans between Centre Road and Clayton Station that are yet to have their beams Installed (probably 52 beams)
  HardWorkingMan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Echuca
It's about easing road congestion and creating a less divided community, not creating safer level crossings
It's also about removing the constraints associated with crossings, which include the risk of accidents.  You don't make a crossing safer by removing it - once it is gone it no longer exists, therefore neither safe nor unsafe from then on.
Lad_Porter
it's also about clearing up gridlock on both road and rail.  Rail can run trains more frequently as they don't need to worry about letting the traffic clear.

Remember road is also used by emergency vehicles. A couple of minutes in arrival time of an ambulance can be the difference between life and death. For a fire truck between minor damage to one property and several properties being gutted and lives lost.

Never in the history of rail has it been appropriate for every trip.  It has always been accompanied by other forms of transport
  Lad_Porter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
I wasn't going to spell it out, but all of that is what I meant by "Constraints".
  reubstar6 Station Master

Here's something I have been meaning to ask this forum. Assuming that these 50 get done (well on track), and that the current Labor government remains in power after the next election: If they were to provide another 25 or 50 level crossing removals (perhaps an election promise going into the 2022 election), which ones would you put in the program?

I would suggest (I'll just go by the suburb):
-Glen Huntly duo (especially TS)
-Brighton Beach crossing
-Kensington
-Moonee Ponds
-Pascoe Vale
-Dandenong (just after station)
-Mahoneys Road
-Sunbury crossing (near station)
-Surrey Hills crossings
-Old Geelong Road (if that's what it is called)
-Riversdale road TS (I don't care if no one uses the Alamein line)
- Kooyong (?) TS

There are probably numerous more that I have forgotten. This is just a quick list I have come up with off the top of my head with no research (apologies). Anyone want to add to this? There are a few that could be done really cheaply and easily, but probably don't justify their removal (e.g. Devon Rd). Perhaps some country crossings should be removed, but for the sake of simplicity, let's just restrict this to Melbourne and close surrounds (e.g. Bacchus Marsh, Wallan, etc.).
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
Here's something I have been meaning to ask this forum. Assuming that these 50 get done (well on track), and that the current Labor government remains in power after the next election: If they were to provide another 25 or 50 level crossing removals (perhaps an election promise going into the 2022 election), which ones would you put in the program?
reubstar6
  • Glen Huntly Rd and Neerim Rd, Glen Huntly (Frankston line) - Tram Squares are the devil's work and need to be removed post-haste; this is the most logical one to go for next. Glenferrie Rd, Kooyong has problematic human terrain (it's toff central) and Riversdale Rd, Camberwell doesn't get enough traffic by road, tram or rail to be an urgent priority.
  • Coolstore Rd, Croydon (Lilydale Line) - already being planned by the local council, area is politically marginal and it's a decent urban renewal opportunity.
  • Union Rd, Surrey Hills + Mont Albert Rd, Mont Albert (Lilydale/Belgrave lines) - Union Rd is dangerous, both are the last remaining level crossings on the line between Ringwood and the city. Significant value capture potential through redevelopment of the station sites could make the projects close to cost-neutral.
  • All (10!) remaining level crossings that aren't having removal actively planned between Royal Park and Coburg on the Upfield line - Skyrail Mk 2. A value capture funding model through site redevelopment could also be used here - it's already been used at Jewell Station.
  • Old Geelong Rd, Hoppers Crossing (Werribee line) - good for freight and passenger services and a natural extension of the works being done around Werribee Station (Cherry St + Werribee St level crossing removals)
  • Webster St, Dandenong (Pakenham/Cranbourne lines) and Greens Rd, Dandenong South (Cranbourne line) - a natural extension of the CTD/Skyrail works being done at the moment. Greens Rd is a major freight arterial and Webster St will be choked with the number of extra services being run once Melbourne Metro opens.
  Adogs Train Controller

Regards which next - to aid discussion, Daniel Bowen has a comprehensive list on his website of current level crossings with "risk score" due to traffic movements etc.

Link here: https://www.danielbowen.com/2017/09/27/level-crossing-removals-status/

Next most dangerous crossing that isn't on the initial list of 50 is Macaulay Rd in Kensington (the Craigieburn line crossing, not the Upfield one) followed by Union Rd in Surrey Hills.

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