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  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Both sides are guilty of hypocrisy. One mob defended Trump while bagging out the Hollywood swamp, while Hollywood protected Weinstein and eulogizes old dirtbag/pervert/abuser Hefner, and yet protested in the streets against Trump.

And then there's the years of cover up by the Catholic Church and others of evil predatory priests over the decades.

Hypocrites, the lot of them. And that includes basically all of us if we're honest.

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
@DonDunstan your hatred for the Obamas and Clinrons is obvious. Just admit you hate them and is willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt

If Meryl Streep who has worked with Weinstein did not know, how the hell would the Clintons and Obamas know?  Always ready to hang the Obamas without knowing the full facts.

Michael
mejhammers1
Still don't know about Donald Trump, what has he actually done? Ultimately I'm not sure that he will end up being any better than his predecessors.

Obama was President for eight years, he never heard rumours about Weinstein's behaviour? They had no problem in taking his money right up until the New York Times article finally brought the whole thing out into the public. Hillary the same - she took ages to carefully consider what her position should be before she finally fell into line with all the others and declared that she would give his donations to charity.

I don't know why you continue to eulogise these people - they're all incredibly vain, greedy, dishonest and selfish - all of them.
  Groundrelay Assistant Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Still don't know about Donald Trump, what has he actually done? Ultimately I'm not sure that he will end up being any better than his predecessors.

Obama was President for eight years, ...
don_dunstan
This enemy of my enemy thing Rolling Eyes

It should be obvious now that Trump is one piece of work. It's all about #1, TRUMP! I doubt he has any real interest in pushing a legislative agenda if it’s easier to blame others for failure. This piece came as no surprise as I suspected not everyone would simply quit or continue to stand by his cr@p.

"The well-documented chaos in the White House reflects both the difficulty faced by anyone who seeks to impose discipline on the President, and Trump's own inability to cope with people he cannot bully. The four most competent people in his circle, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, Defense Secretary James Mattis, economic adviser Gary Cohn and Chief of Staff John Kelly appear to be fighting against Trump's chaos, for the good of the country…

Unlike the typical employee at Trump Tower, they don't need him, or his money, or the jobs he gave them."

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/13/opinions/trump-and-the-competent-four-dantonio/index.html
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
It should be obvious now that Trump is one piece of work.
Groundrelay
It's incredibly disappointing that Trump seems to have not delivered anything... at all. Probably even more disappointing for the people who actually voted for him. But then again Obama swept into power on the promise of "Change you can believe in" and what actually happened in his eight years? The rich got richer at the fastest rate in US history; and the poor got poorer. Nothing changed. I think it's a sign of an irrevocably broken system that the public lashes out and votes for someone like Trump and yet the Democrats are still faffing around with no real idea why they lost or how to respond.
  Groundrelay Assistant Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
It should be obvious now that Trump is one piece of work.
It's incredibly disappointing that Trump seems to have not delivered anything... at all. Probably even more disappointing for the people who actually voted for him. But then again Obama swept into power on the promise of "Change you can believe in" and what actually happened in his eight years? The rich got richer at the fastest rate in US history; and the poor got poorer. Nothing changed. I think it's a sign of an irrevocably broken system that the public lashes out and votes for someone like Trump and yet the Democrats are still faffing around with no real idea why they lost or how to respond.
don_dunstan
I put it to you that the inequity would have been more profound if Trump was President then. You continue to ignore the political reality that Obama faced.

At some point you'll have to stop blaming Obama for being pro-Trump and explain why Trump is better than Obama.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
At some point you'll have to stop blaming Obama for being pro-Trump and explain why Trump is better than Obama.
Groundrelay
I never said Trump would be better than Obama; all I said was that Obama wasn't nearly as good as his spin. Again, the primary thing to remember about the Obama presidency is this interesting fact:

The rich got richer at a faster pace than under any other US President (even Reagan) and the poor got poorer.

So for impoverished people in the United States was that "Change you can believe in" or "More of the same"?

And I have always - ALWAYS - said that Trump was a matter of "wait and see" and that I wasn't prepared to condemn him as a leader until he had actually had a shot at it.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I just saw Hillary on Four Corners - whew, they really dodged a bullet when they didn't elect her - she's crazy. Everyone and anyone (Putin, Obama, sun-spots) was to blame for her loss BUT HER. And she was definitely going to start a war with Russia if she had been President, no doubt about it given the way she was talking about the need to contain Putin.
  Groundrelay Assistant Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
I just saw Hillary on Four Corners - whew, they really dodged a bullet when they didn't elect her - she's crazy. Everyone and anyone (Putin, Obama, sun-spots) was to blame for her loss BUT HER. And she was definitely going to start a war with Russia if she had been President, no doubt about it given the way she was talking about the need to contain Putin.
don_dunstan
All things considered she was quite restrained. Certainly far, far more measured than Trump would have been. He is the proponent of the blame game!

The election wasn’t a landslide for Trump and the campaign of 'Brown Ops' could have been enough to swing it his way -  sh#t sticks! It’s a fact certain individuals have taken a fall or been pushed out by Trump, one might assume to protect him. Very 'House of Cards'.

Russia’s involvement is now well documented with more to come. Today.
http://thenextweb.com/facebook/2017/10/19/facebook-google-and-twitter-to-appear-before-congress-in-election-tampering-investigation/

By the way she didn’t blame Obama.

Hillary’s assessment of President Trump was spot on. He is impulsive, he lacks self-control, he is totally consumed by how he is viewed and what people think of him. He is vindictive, he does go after people.

That's what your disillusioned proletariat signed up for.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
All things considered she was quite restrained. Certainly far, far more measured than Trump would have been. He is the proponent of the blame game!
Groundrelay
Nah, Hillary is a clear winner in the blame game. And she may not have personally implicated Obama in the Four Corners interview but she has certainly blamed him in other interviews and in her book. Here is a comprehensive list of things she's blamed since her loss (Newsweek);

BARACK OBAMA: "I do wonder sometimes about what would have happened if President Obama had made a televised address to the nation in the fall of 2016 warning that our democracy was under attack," she writes [in her book What Happened]. "Maybe more Americans would have woken up to the threat in time. We’ll never know."
BERNIE SANDERS "He resorted to innuendo and impugning on my character," she says in her memoir, and caused "lasting damage."
JAMES COMEY (always blame the help - it's a sure-fire excuse).
SELF-HATING WOMEN (because too many women let their husbands tell them how to vote)
THE MEDIA (well obviously!)
UNINFORMED VOTERS: “I was running a traditional presidential campaign with carefully thought-out policies and painstakingly built coalitions, while Trump was running a reality-TV show that expertly and relentlessly stoked Americans’ anger and resentment," she writes in What Happened. You heard it from her, she was just too smart for the American public to vote for!
VOTER SUPPRESSION
RUSSIA (of course)
HER CAMPAIGN STAFF for "failing to hone her message, energize important constituencies, and take care of business in getting voters to the polls."
THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE for not properly financing her - she had to (ugh!) put her own money in.
CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS
JILL STEIN
THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE
ANTHONY WEINER
HER "BASKET OF DEPLORABLES" COMMENT and finally...
HERSELF!
He is impulsive, he lacks self-control, he is totally consumed by how he is viewed and what people think of him. He is vindictive, he does go after people.
Groundrelay
Not Hillary, butter wouldn't melt in her mouth Wink
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
...she was quite restrained.
Groundrelay
Did you watch the same TV show that I did? She sounded deranged.
  nswtrains Deputy Commissioner

...she was quite restrained.
Did you watch the same TV show that I did? She sounded deranged.
don_dunstan
Yes I watched the same show and she is far from deranged. Again Don, I think you have been watching too much propaganda put out by Breibart news and other ultra right USA fake new sites. To me she is an extremely intelligent women unlike Drumpf and his chumps. Speaking of deranged people, what about Drumpf's comment to the widow of that slain soldier. Absolutely despicable. I really hope he comes to a sticky end soon. Look up the lyrics to that old Bob Dillon song, Masters of War, because that is how I feel about him.
  nswtrains Deputy Commissioner

It should be obvious now that Trump is one piece of work.
It's incredibly disappointing that Trump seems to have not delivered anything... at all. Probably even more disappointing for the people who actually voted for him. But then again Obama swept into power on the promise of "Change you can believe in" and what actually happened in his eight years? The rich got richer at the fastest rate in US history; and the poor got poorer. Nothing changed. I think it's a sign of an irrevocably broken system that the public lashes out and votes for someone like Trump and yet the Democrats are still faffing around with no real idea why they lost or how to respond.
don_dunstan
What the f#@ck did you expect him to do. The man's a deranged steaming pile of poo.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
What the f#@ck did you expect him to do. The man's a deranged steaming pile of poo.
nswtrains
Okay, so he's terrible. So why didn't the Democrats field someone against him who could actually win? There's a systemic problem not being recognised here and that is that voters looked at Hillary with all her celebrities, feminism (the glass ceiling thing), racism, inclusiveness... blah blah blah... and they decided they couldn't vote for her, they'd had enough of that stuff. I'm not sure if the Democrats understand that yet but it was their party, their policies and their candidate who were actually to blame - they need to stop bleating "we wuz robbed, they fought dirty" and get on with finding a candidate and policies that can actually win next time.
  Dangersdan707 Locomotive Fireman

Location: On a Thing with Internet
The Answer is, that they will all suck up to the establishment, they always do...
I reckon the democrats would of had a chance if the had gone with Sanders but still we would have sucked up to the establishment and continued the bush era foreign policy. the same thing is happening with Trump with the foreign policy of spreading 'Freedom'! (i.e. Cuba, Venezuela, Iraq ect). as much as I hate the democrats for scapegoating Russia, I believe Burnie could have done better for them and Clinton seems just to have been accepting the handing of the political dynasty and expecting a win... although like Obama, Burnie would of had a hard time getting his policies through cause of the large political lobbying groups corporations have. any way they were accepting identity politics under Obama and Clinton which put a lot of people of her. Also a key factor in trumps victory was the middle class in the south and rustbelt that didn't usually vote, voted for trump. perhaps he was getting unintentional free advertising!

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Conclusion if you want change vote for a minor (though they won't get any thing done too) ahhh the status quo:roll:

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