Burra action

 
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

What appeared to be an ex CR car was being off loaded from a semi at Burra RS this pm.

I was in too much of a hurry to get to Adelaide with the grand kids and then return the Clare to get details. There was a lot of action south of the station building with at least two cranes in attendance and the area bunted off.. I couldn't see any bogies so I guess the car will be mounted on blocks

The car appeared to have once been used as a departmental vehicle as what paint remained was white. It had a clerestory type roof with a raised section at one end which may have housed air conditioning or been a guards look-out as per the old Overland brake vans.

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  SAR520SMBH Train Controller

They've put a call out for a set of broad gauge bogies on their FB page, Burra's Historic Railway Station.
Not sure what happened there.
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

One thing I hope they do not do is acquire a set of Centenary Car type bogies as the carriage they have got is a dining car I think and these type of bogies would never hold it up though, the weight of the car would be too great. I have suggested to them that they try for a standard gauge set as they might be able to be got a bit easier from NSW maybe. They only then have to lay a length of rail on the existing track just long enough to take the car as it is going to be permanent fixed and plumbing and electrical services connected so it would not be able to move after. The other thing I also suggested was if they could not get any bogies at all for it would be to make two frames to support the car each end in lieu of the bogies.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Is the track intact between Burra and the Adelaide connection?




Ok you clever people out there, the Friends of the Burra Railway Station need you help. We urgently need 2 broad gauge bogies to but the carriage on that is now sitting at the Burra Station.

We need them tomorrow as the crane and transport company are returning on Saturday. It is a long story and does not need criticisms from those in face book land who are fond of that. We just need help and need it now. Please phone 043 8269744 or email burrahistory@aapt.net.au.

You might also like to know that we have already tried many rail related places in search of two broad gauge bogies but to no avail and are turning to face book in a desperate plea for your help.
Burra Railway Station


Seems to leave it a little late the day or so before the move for the boggies?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The other thing I also suggested was if they could not get any bogies at all for it would be to make two frames to support the car each end in lieu of the bogies.
DJPeters
Building suitable frames would be pretty expensive as it would require design and engineering and some sort of certification if they are going to use the carriage in any area accessible to the public.

BG
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

Suitable frames have been made to hold a section of rail at standard gauge so that the car can be placed on it's original bogies which it has been. These frames and pieces of rail are only long enough to support the actual bogies though and at this stage the car has been tarped up to prevent water ingress therough the roof if it rains and also to stop water getting in through the smashed windows on this car which is all of the windows I was informed. It is now sitting alongside the platform on Standard Gauge bogies thanks to some person's ingenuity.

I must  say that leaving bogies till the last minute or even leaving some engineering to the last minute to place bogies on is not a good thing. This should have been prepared for etc a while before the car was actually going to be delivered though so that it was all in place and ready to accept the car.

From what they have said the car will be a permanent future there plumbed into the drainage and water and electrical, so it will not move in the future rolling anyway along the track. As an all wood car though it is going to take a heck of a lot of work to restore it and later to maintain it as well. The inside is going to be worked over they said to give it modern facilities as a fixed carriage for dining in. At the moment it is bare inside I was informed!
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner
  AN830 Locomotive Driver

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Most track still exist between Burra and Gawler abit over the level crossing at Hanson has been removed, track near Stockport has been washed away and sleepers burnt out just North of Roseworthy.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Does SA ever look at providing rail passenger services outside of Adelaide and would Burra be a candidate or an easy one to do?
  allan Chief Commissioner

No. No population base.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
No. No population base.
allan

Inbetween Adelaide and Burra?
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

No. No population base.

Inbetween Adelaide and Burra?
x31
Virtually what allan said!

The Pinery bush fire though has burnt out about 20 Km of track the rails are there but the sleepers are all gone so it would need rebuilding if ever used again. I cannot see it happening though as the State Govt do not actually own the track etc it only comes back to state control if G&W hand it back to them, so as G&W do not run anymore on it it just sits slowly rotting away or in this case burning away. One day it will be handed back to the State Govt but until then like I said it just sits unused!
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
GWA have gradually closed down the state network when you consider the lines they have walked away from.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
GWA have gradually closed down the state network when you consider the lines they have walked away from.
x31
Yep, Big Bad GWA, it's all their fault, it's criminal. it's ludicrous!

Strange though, but these mid north lines were on the death list when AN ran the show!
AN pulled the plug on the Mid North Lines long before GWA took over!
In fact only the Two Mallee lines and the Angaston line where in service when GWA took over!

But why not blame GWA, maybe it's their fault that the Holdens are closing down too!
  allan Chief Commissioner

Looks like there's one bus a week, and that goes on to Terowie. http://ypcoaches.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/MNPS-Timetable2017.pdf
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
If you look around the mid north and the mallee then there is a complete lack of any industry that would warrant a train and less than a handful of population centres of more than 1000 people to support a passenger service.

By and large the mallee lines disappeared in the 1980s while the mid north hung on for another 20 years or so, but the almost complete lack of traffic took its toll.

Any trains that have been provided have carried seasonal grain only except to Penrice which lasted until the shipper collapsed financially.
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

Looks like there's one bus a week, and that goes on to Terowie. http://ypcoaches.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/MNPS-Timetable2017.pdf
allan
Is that bus full though most probably not and how many get on or off at Burra. Probably only the locals and some fool a while back said a train service to Burra would get plenty of bums on seats God only knows where from though.

I agree with Kipioneer the lack of anything really in the small towns along a road these days make it a only stop if necessary these days, fuel, drink, eat  or toilet etc. And new road type houses/restuarants are popping up on the main roads in places thus further cutting off a town from tourists or those passing through! In most places you have to leave the main highway and turn into a town to see it otherwise you drive straight past and in a lot of places you would not even know the town was there! Years back the main highway was the main street of the town.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

I am now Clare resident and can speak first hand of the transport situation. I have caught the bus twice in the year I have been here all other times going to Adelaide I have driven. Reason I caught the bus was because my wife stayed on in Adelaide and retained her car; I left my car parked in the township near the bus stop.

The present service does not run everyday and is only moderately used; the bus seats about 20 and is only just comfortable. Some days the bus goes to Jamestown and other days to Burra Peterborough
Populations served are
Riverton 600
Saddleworth 400
Auburn 400
CV villages 400
Clare 4000
Burra 1600
Jamestown 2000

The population figures tell the story of the low patronage.

I have contended in previous discussions that country people don't make frequent trips to the city. Unfortunately Adelaide centric souls on these pages think that the residents of say Burra or Riverton would be falling over themselves to travel to/from Adelaide; the reverse is the truth.  

Unless there is an area with a collective population of 100,000 and heavy subsidies a rail passenger service is not viable
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

I am now Clare resident and can speak first hand of the transport situation. I have caught the bus twice in the year I have been here all other times going to Adelaide I have driven. Reason I caught the bus was because my wife stayed on in Adelaide and retained her car; I left my car parked in the township near the bus stop.

The present service does not run everyday and is only moderately used; the bus seats about 20 and is only just comfortable. Some days the bus goes to Jamestown and other days to Burra Peterborough
Populations served are
Riverton 600
Saddleworth 400
Auburn 400
CV villages 400
Clare 4000
Burra 1600
Jamestown 2000

The population figures tell the story of the low patronage.

I have contended in previous discussions that country people don't make frequent trips to the city. Unfortunately Adelaide centric souls on these pages think that the residents of say Burra or Riverton would be falling over themselves to travel to/from Adelaide; the reverse is the truth.  

Unless there is an area with a collective population of 100,000 and heavy subsidies a rail passenger service is not viable
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
No. No population base.

Inbetween Adelaide and Burra?
Virtually what allan said!

The Pinery bush fire though has burnt out about 20 Km of track the rails are there but the sleepers are all gone so it would need rebuilding if ever used again. I cannot see it happening though as the State Govt do not actually own the track etc it only comes back to state control if G&W hand it back to them, so as G&W do not run anymore on it it just sits slowly rotting away or in this case burning away. One day it will be handed back to the State Govt but until then like I said it just sits unused!
DJPeters

When was the last train to run on that line?  If more than 5 years, it may be back in SA government hands.  Refer to http://www.rdamr.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Riverland/documents/Mallee_Freight_Study__FINAL.pdf, section 7.1.6 of this document.  Though it may be dependent on the track being classified as 'dicontinued' which might involve a legal technicality.
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

No. No population base.

Inbetween Adelaide and Burra?
Virtually what allan said!

The Pinery bush fire though has burnt out about 20 Km of track the rails are there but the sleepers are all gone so it would need rebuilding if ever used again. I cannot see it happening though as the State Govt do not actually own the track etc it only comes back to state control if G&W hand it back to them, so as G&W do not run anymore on it it just sits slowly rotting away or in this case burning away. One day it will be handed back to the State Govt but until then like I said it just sits unused!
Yes that is what it says on paper but in reality nothing has been done about taking it back because trains are not being run for years, the SA Govt don't want to know about it by the looks of it. Even if they did take these lines back the SA Govt would not have any money to do anything on them at all so that is most probably the reason on the inaction here. At the moment they are all just scrap waiting to be be removed!
When was the last train to run on that line?  If more than 5 years, it may be back in SA government hands.  Refer to http://www.rdamr.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Riverland/documents/Mallee_Freight_Study__FINAL.pdf, section 7.1.6 of this document.  Though it may be dependent on the track being classified as 'dicontinued' which might involve a legal technicality.
DJPeters
Yes that is what it says on paper but in reality nothing has been done about taking it back because trains are not being run for years, the SA Govt don't want to know about it by the looks of it. Even if they did take these lines back the SA Govt would not have any money to do anything on them at all so that is most probably the reason on the inaction here. At the moment they are all just scrap waiting to be be removed!
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
No. No population base.

Inbetween Adelaide and Burra?
Virtually what allan said!

The Pinery bush fire though has burnt out about 20 Km of track the rails are there but the sleepers are all gone so it would need rebuilding if ever used again. I cannot see it happening though as the State Govt do not actually own the track etc it only comes back to state control if G&W hand it back to them, so as G&W do not run anymore on it it just sits slowly rotting away or in this case burning away. One day it will be handed back to the State Govt but until then like I said it just sits unused!
Yes that is what it says on paper but in reality nothing has been done about taking it back because trains are not being run for years, the SA Govt don't want to know about it by the looks of it. Even if they did take these lines back the SA Govt would not have any money to do anything on them at all so that is most probably the reason on the inaction here. At the moment they are all just scrap waiting to be be removed!
When was the last train to run on that line?  If more than 5 years, it may be back in SA government hands.  Refer to http://www.rdamr.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Riverland/documents/Mallee_Freight_Study__FINAL.pdf, section 7.1.6 of this document.  Though it may be dependent on the track being classified as 'dicontinued' which might involve a legal technicality.
Yes that is what it says on paper but in reality nothing has been done about taking it back because trains are not being run for years, the SA Govt don't want to know about it by the looks of it. Even if they did take these lines back the SA Govt would not have any money to do anything on them at all so that is most probably the reason on the inaction here. At the moment they are all just scrap waiting to be be removed!
DJPeters

Can someone list for me the lines that GWA took over and for those that are not running, the last time a train ran on them?
  AN830 Locomotive Driver

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Lasts Trains

Burra 2004 light engine movement, grain trains stopped around 1999
North of Roseworthy 2005
Roseworthy early 2008

Appamurra 2004

Kappinne 2002
Buckleboo 2004

GWA also had a lease over the Mt Gambier line but that was handed back to state government early in ASR dsys.

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