Victorian Tramcar in Brisbane today

 
  westernline Train Controller

Location: San Onofre California
orange  and grey liveried Chandon Wines Yarra Valley tram on back of low loader in the western suburbs of Brisbane today

complete with trolley poles and trucks

is this tram able to be driven under overhead power?

has it been to Queensland before?

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The Victorian Tramways Network is Standard Gauge and 600V DC IIRC.

Some early Brisbane Trams



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkiRjXipt-g

Maybe headed for the tramways museum?
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
I assume this is this one - it was in Pyrmont Bay Park, opposite the Sydney Casino, on October 13.

https://flic.kr/p/ZGgxGo
  Matthew Junior Train Controller

orange  and grey liveried Chandon Wines Yarra Valley tram on back of low loader in the western suburbs of Brisbane today

complete with trolley poles and trucks

is this tram able to be driven under overhead power?

has it been to Queensland before?
westernline
The tram is purely decorative.

It's currently doing an Australia wide tour to promote Chandon Wines.

I don't know for sure, but I would bet on all driving equipment being removed, motors, resistances and the controllers. Why haul the dead weight around the country ?. It only has to look good, not work.

The photo posted in Sydney has too much light showing through the bogies - I don't think the motors are still fitted.
  kitchgp Train Controller

From the VicSig site:
http://vicsig.net/photos/search
As the photos move about a bit, type
Bendigo.86
in the "Description" box then hit "Submit Query".

I believe it had the road number 33 at Bendigo Tramways.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
From the VicSig site:
http://vicsig.net/photos/search
As the photos move about a bit, type
Bendigo.86
in the "Description" box then hit "Submit Query".

I believe it had the road number 33 at Bendigo Tramways.
kitchgp
Yes it was #33. I will endeavour to find out whether it is still driveable.
  M636C Minister for Railways

It should be Melbourne SW2 275....

Peter
  Fred Scuttle Junior Train Controller

Location: Point Clare, NSW
Actually, with the loss (in the Loftus fire) of SW2 432, how many SW2's are still around? There weren't that all many that were converted.

The last W2 that I recall being on public display in Sydney prior to this, was one of the "Pop Art" cars painted by prominent artists - it was placed on display in Hyde Park, close to the Archibald Fountain, in the early 1980's, as part of a "Visit Melbourne" promotion. I can't recall the number, but I do know that it was the car painted by Clifton Pugh.

No doubt somebody will know.
  kitchgp Train Controller

[Edit 10.45pm 26 Oct 2017]  As the previously posted links to the Trams Down Under site are no longer valid, try these:

http://tdu.to/photos.aspx?search=IMG%20107#
http://tdu.to/photos.aspx?search=CHANDON86

Are the wheels welded to the rails?
  nrb748 Station Staff

Actually, with the loss (in the Loftus fire) of SW2 432, how many SW2's are still around? There weren't that all many that were converted.

The last W2 that I recall being on public display in Sydney prior to this, was one of the "Pop Art" cars painted by prominent artists - it was placed on display in Hyde Park, close to the Archibald Fountain, in the early 1980's, as part of a "Visit Melbourne" promotion. I can't recall the number, but I do know that it was the car painted by Clifton Pugh.

No doubt somebody will know.
Fred Scuttle
Clifton Pugh is W2 504
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
orange  and grey liveried Chandon Wines Yarra Valley tram on back of low loader in the western suburbs of Brisbane today

complete with trolley poles and trucks

is this tram able to be driven under overhead power?

has it been to Queensland before?
westernline
Found this out today:

The tram has had its driving equipment totally ripped out.
  gunzel42 Locomotive Fireman

Very sad ending for 275. Given that 426 and 644 are currently the only preserved SW2's, 275 deserved to be made available to other tram preservation groups instead of suffering this indignity.
  Matthew Junior Train Controller

Very sad ending for 275. Given that 426 and 644 are currently the only preserved SW2's, 275 deserved to be made available to other tram preservation groups instead of suffering this indignity.
gunzel42
What other tram groups?

Of the small number of groups, who has the time and resources to take on another tram?

At least 275 has a waterproof roof and a decent coat of paint. Adaptive reuse is better than sitting in a paddock somewhere slowly rotting away IMHO. At least the essential fabric of the car is being preserved.
  HardWorkingMan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Echuca
how many preserved members of each class do we need?  I know of 5 preserved tram groups in Victoria (hawthorn depot, ballarat, Bendigo, Hadden (it was a private concern on private property last I knew) and Bylands.  I go past Bylands a couple of times a month but have never found them open and running anymore - even on Sunday.
Ballarat and Bendigo are probably the most successful 'running' museums of the group. I haven't seen or heard of anything moving out of hawthorn  under its own power for quite a few years.

Bendigo and Ballarat concentrate mainly on their own trams that ran on their own systems with the ex-Melbourne trams to help.  I am not sure they have the resources to worry about another 'Melbourne Tram'

I have seen Z class trams in school yards and one at Melbourne Steam Traction Engine Club.  Are any of these being preserved?
  kitchgp Train Controller

According to the Ballarat Tramways Museum's June 2015 edition of "Fares Please!", W2 504 (Clifton Pugh) is in storage at Bungaree.
http://www.btm.org.au/Fares_Please/2015/1506fp.pdf
It gets a mention now and then in subsequent editions.
  Matthew Junior Train Controller

I have seen Z class trams in school yards and one at Melbourne Steam Traction Engine Club.  Are any of these being preserved?
HardWorkingMan
Z2 111 is at Loftus in Sydney. As far as I'm aware it's the last operating 'tramiac' tram - while not used that often in Sydney, it is available for 'traffic'. None of the other Z1/Z2 class are operating at all, although I imagine at a lot of the recently retired ones in store in Melbourne could be still operated with relative ease.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
The irony of preserved Melbourne trams; not one of them can actually run in Melbourne anymore unless it's dragged dead or modified for millions of dollars. No trams older than SW5s have run in standard revenue service in Melbourne since the early 1990s.

W2 442 was the last W2 to run in regular service on Melbourne's tracks, albeit as Restaurant Tram 01 rather than a standard tram. It was retired and replaced with a newer W6 model when it was found too costly to upgrade when nanny state laws came in during the early 2000s, which practically killed the W class in Melbourne altogether. Prior to the modern tram requirements (pantographs, track brakes etc.), the occasional brown-painted early W or L class used to sometimes run on the City Circle alongside the usual maroon trams.
  Matthew Junior Train Controller

Prior to the modern tram requirements (pantographs, track brakes etc.), the occasional brown-painted early W or L class used to sometimes run on the City Circle alongside the usual maroon trams.
Heihachi_73
I also remember getting what I think was an L out to the Zoo on Sunday. Apparently, that used to be a regular occurrence.

The problem now is not just the 'nanny state', but the way the contracts with the private operator are structured, they are not going to let anything on their track that may cause delays and hence fines for late running.

If the contract had a clause saying 'must make provision for heritage trams to run on Sundays', it would happen.
  gunzel42 Locomotive Fireman

Very sad ending for 275. Given that 426 and 644 are currently the only preserved SW2's, 275 deserved to be made available to other tram preservation groups instead of suffering this indignity.
What other tram groups?

Of the small number of groups, who has the time and resources to take on another tram?

At least 275 has a waterproof roof and a decent coat of paint. Adaptive reuse is better than sitting in a paddock somewhere slowly rotting away IMHO. At least the essential fabric of the car is being preserved.
Matthew
To my understanding it was not offered complete to any other tram preservation groups, but happy to stand corrected on this.  It was not a tram in a paddock, it was a complete and operational tram albeit in need of overhaul.  Now it has had all control equipment, braking equipment, wiring and piping stripped from it.... would have thought that would have been part of the essential fabric?  Fully support adaptive re-use when applicable for a non-descript tram, but not with significant items of rolling stock for which there are limited examples.
  HardWorkingMan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Echuca
Very sad ending for 275. Given that 426 and 644 are currently the only preserved SW2's, 275 deserved to be made available to other tram preservation groups instead of suffering this indignity.
What other tram groups?

Of the small number of groups, who has the time and resources to take on another tram?

At least 275 has a waterproof roof and a decent coat of paint. Adaptive reuse is better than sitting in a paddock somewhere slowly rotting away IMHO. At least the essential fabric of the car is being preserved.
To my understanding it was not offered complete to any other tram preservation groups, but happy to stand corrected on this.  It was not a tram in a paddock, it was a complete and operational tram albeit in need of overhaul.  Now it has had all control equipment, braking equipment, wiring and piping stripped from it.... would have thought that would have been part of the essential fabric?  Fully support adaptive re-use when applicable for a non-descript tram, but not with significant items of rolling stock for which there are limited examples.
gunzel42
Maybe these parts were not scrapped but offered to a group as spares?  Most mainline steam groups have 'parts locos' just as some car restorers have 'parts cars'.  It's also possible that no tram-preservation group had the money or other resources to tender for it or express interest for it.  It may also have chassis issues, wheel cracks or excessive wear or other 'hidden' issues which make restoration to running order impractical but for what is effectively 'static display' is fine.  At least it's being valued and not a combination of firewood and Great Wall Utes!
  Matthew Junior Train Controller

Every time a tram is scrapped or sent off for 'adaptive' reuse the same thing happens - a pile of people post 'it should have been restored to running order' or 'it should have been offered to other groups', etc, etc

What money will restore it ?. What other groups ?.

Every group I'm aware of is extremely resource constrained on all fronts, space, money, and manpower. There are not hordes of volunteers sitting around with cash burning holes in their pockets with a big empty shed,  wondering 'what project do we tackle next ?'

And gaining and keeping accreditation to operate is no 'walk in the park' either.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Every time a tram is scrapped or sent off for 'adaptive' reuse the same thing happens - a pile of people post 'it should have been restored to running order' or 'it should have been offered to other groups', etc, etc

What money will restore it ?. What other groups ?.

Every group I'm aware of is extremely resource constrained on all fronts, space, money, and manpower. There are not hordes of volunteers sitting around with cash burning holes in their pockets with a big empty shed,  wondering 'what project do we tackle next ?'

And gaining and keeping accreditation to operate is no 'walk in the park' either.
Matthew
It WAS in running order and in fact ran as a Bendigo Talking Tram for some time, but after an incident several years ago it was placed into storage before being sold earlier this year.
  Matthew Junior Train Controller

It WAS in running order and in fact ran as a Bendigo Talking Tram for some time, but after an incident several years ago it was placed into storage before being sold earlier this year.
railblogger

Also, remember Bendigo is not a museum but a commercial operation that just happens to see value in running a heritage style fleet.
  kitchgp Train Controller

The irony of preserved Melbourne trams; not one of them can actually run in Melbourne anymore .......
Heihachi_73


or Sydney trams either. This article on the 2003 visit of Sydney R 1808 may be of interest:
https://www.sydneytramwaymuseum.com.au/members.old/Trolley_Wire/295%20-%20Trolley%20Wire%20-%20Nov%202003.pdf
The cover photo shows it using the NE corner of the Balaclava Junction grand union.

PS: There's a photo of the Chandon tram in its Talking Tram days on page 48 (last page).
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Good issue that one, it even includes Z2 111 running in service with its (then) new owners.

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