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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The Entertainment Centre there is actually The Festival Hall and Festival Centre the actual Adelaide Entertainment Centre is at Hindmarsh!
DJPeters
Oh that's right, I always get them confused - Festival Hall, Entertainment Centre. They changed the name of the Arts Centre on St Kilda Road to Hamer Hall and I never got used to it... and Docklands Stadium was always changing its name every five minutes to suit whatever sponsor they had at the time.

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  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Drove past the North Terrace/King William tram line works today and it is certainly progressing very quickly, the tracks are laid up past the Entertainment Centre now with what appears to be space for an island platform and a turn-back at the end.
don_dunstan
The layout at the Festival/Oval terminus will actually be two side platforms at the end of the line and a double crossover between the city end of the platforms and Festival Drive.

The East End terminus will be the same, two side platforms at the end and the double crossover between the platforms and Frome St.

The platforms at the Festival/Oval stop will be constructed from late January, after King William Road is used as the start/finish line of the TDU Stage 6 kermesse circuit. Events SA do not expect the new tram line to be an obstacle to the same circuit continuing to be used for the final day in future editions of the race.

I will be interested to see how the TDU treats the KWS/NT intersection, since the pro riders make all sorts of trivial demands in Adelaide that they wouldn't at certain other races. Having some demand met by Mike Turtur is just as much a rite of passage for a pro cyclist as being told to go f*** yourself by the Giro d'Italia organisers.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The layout at the Festival/Oval terminus will actually be two side platforms at the end of the line and a double crossover between the city end of the platforms and Festival Drive.

The East End terminus will be the same, two side platforms at the end and the double crossover between the platforms and Frome St.

The platforms at the Festival/Oval stop will be constructed from late January, after King William Road is used as the start/finish line of the TDU Stage 6 kermesse circuit. Events SA do not expect the new tram line to be an obstacle to the same circuit continuing to be used for the final day in future editions of the race.

I will be interested to see how the TDU treats the KWS/NT intersection, since the pro riders make all sorts of trivial demands in Adelaide that they wouldn't at certain other races. Having some demand met by Mike Turtur is just as much a rite of passage for a pro cyclist as being told to go f*** yourself by the Giro d'Italia organisers.
justapassenger
Maybe they can treat the tram lines as an obstacle course! Adelaide cyclists will have to get used to the proliferation of tram lines - in all the time I lived in Melbourne I managed to never once go A over T from getting caught in the grooves but I did see several accidents with people on bikes and roller blades; they are a trap for the unwary.

Had a friend visit from Melbourne recently who was asking about the construction of the new tram lines ("Where do they go?") and my response was that it's to fool people into thinking Adelaide has a tram network Wink
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I'm sure that the vast majority of normal cyclists in Adelaide won't have a problem with them, because they won't be using the full width of the carriageway under closed road racing conditions.

I would guess some kind of matting will be laid over the junction, or maybe they'll bring back the soluble filler they used when the crit circuit was at Glenelg - maybe they still use it at Glenelg whenever Jetty Road has one of those street dining events?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm sure that the vast majority of normal cyclists in Adelaide won't have a problem with them, because they won't be using the full width of the carriageway under closed road racing conditions.

I would guess some kind of matting will be laid over the junction, or maybe they'll bring back the soluble filler they used when the crit circuit was at Glenelg - maybe they still use it at Glenelg whenever Jetty Road has one of those street dining events?
justapassenger
Zurich tested a kind of rubber mat that recessed into the groove when a tram passed over it but otherwise sat at the level of the track head/bitumen. Not sure how it worked out?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Rubber inlays are used around Europe, but the proposal to install them on Jetty Road this year was dropped as they haven't yet been installed anywhere that gets the sort of heat we do here and DPTI didn't want to be the ones to generate that data.

I don't think they are appropriate for the city, because there is no place where normal cyclists will be riding parallel to the tracks or crossing them at a tight angle. They might be good for pedestrian crossings in the city though.

The safety issues associated with the TDU are completely different to the issues for normal cyclists. They will be hitting the North Terrace intersection at up to 70km/h in a tight peloton and taking up the full width of the carriageway, riders towards the right hand side will be hitting tracks at a tight angle without getting good sight of them in advance. Given nobody rides there normally, I think a simple temporary solution of some matting laid on the ground would be better than an expensive permanent solution needing additional preventative maintenance.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
The complex on King William Road is the Adelaide Festival Centre.  

It consists of 3 major performing venues in 2 buildings: the 2000 plus seat  Festival Theatre, the 650 or there-abouts Dunstan Playhouse and a flexible performing space, The Space Theatre.

When built there was a fourth venue outside facing Elder Park, the Amphitheatre.   It never had much, if any use and has not been listed among the venues for years.

It also has workshops in the Playhouse for the State Theatre Company and a number of catering spaces.

I first saw the Playhouse from the stage in company with the State Theatre Company's  Construction Manager; it is a great theatre, you feel as if you could touch the back row!

I also got to see the first ever performance of the Festival Theatre Organ before the first public performance.
  DJPeters Junior Train Controller

GAWLER, OUTER HARBOR, GRANGE RAIL CLOSURES

While much of the work on Torrens Rail Junction has been completed when passenger and freight trains are running, upcoming works will require some further rail closures to enable them to be completed safely.

GAWLER PASSENGERS:


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A partial closure of the Gawler rail line between Adelaide and Mawson Lakes will commence from 9pm Saturday 18 November with services resuming on Tuesday 5 December. These services will be replaced by free substitute buses.

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The temporary closure of the Outer Harbor and Grange rail lines will be extended until the new year, with first services scheduled to resume on Monday 15 January, to allow for these important works to be carried out. Free substitute buses will continue during this time.

If you need assistance to plan your journey, please call the Adelaide Metro InfoLine at 1300 311 108.

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  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Something's gone badly wrong with that project, what was originally scheduled to be a three week closure has now turned into one nearly four months long. By my count, that has now exceeded the delays on the Southern Expressway duplication and only needs to go a couple of weeks longer than the new projected reopening in January to also exceed the delays in the commencement of train services to Seaford.

In addition to running behind schedule, there was a "minor derailment" of the inbound Ghan service there last week.
  patsstuffnow Locomotive Driver

Well the next chapter is to be unveiled.
The Tour down under stage from Port Adelaide to Lyndoch is scheduled for January 16 just one day after the Port and Grange lines are due to reopen if you can believe they actually have a plan that is believable.

If there are any extra delays maybe they should work on the reopening of the Rosewater loop so they could run an apology service to the Barossa for some compensation to the Western suburbs commuters.
And they could also introduce a train service from Outer Harbor to the city via the loop which would be faster than the pox ridden bus services available at present.

If Labor is so keen to create jobs , why are they so silent on a passenger service to the Barossa, as this surely would create some jobs to fill the post Holden void.

For the current government to be interested in a project do we have to introduce foreign management/ ownership/ expertise to make a project interesting to them?

With all these delays the maintenance of the railcar fleet should be completely up to date, All crews should be available and wanting to get back to work.

How many crews are " in the transit lounge" waiting to run a service or have the gov reduced the staff?
So if normal levels of running ever occur will they need to employ new staff??????

I have heard of a group who have produced several sizes of commemorative baseball bats for insertion into compliant transport ministers.

WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: On a freight train to crazy town
Well the next chapter is to be unveiled.
The Tour down under stage from Port Adelaide to Lyndoch is scheduled for January 16 just one day after the Port and Grange lines are due to reopen if you can believe they actually have a plan that is believable.

If there are any extra delays maybe they should work on the reopening of the Rosewater loop so they could run an apology service to the Barossa for some compensation to the Western suburbs commuters.
And they could also introduce a train service from Outer Harbor to the city via the loop which would be faster than the pox ridden bus services available at present.

If Labor is so keen to create jobs , why are they so silent on a passenger service to the Barossa, as this surely would create some jobs to fill the post Holden void.

For the current government to be interested in a project do we have to introduce foreign management/ ownership/ expertise to make a project interesting to them?

With all these delays the maintenance of the railcar fleet should be completely up to date, All crews should be available and wanting to get back to work.

How many crews are " in the transit lounge" waiting to run a service or have the gov reduced the staff?
So if normal levels of running ever occur will they need to employ new staff??????

I have heard of a group who have produced several sizes of commemorative baseball bats for insertion into compliant transport ministers.

WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!
patsstuffnow

You can sense the Libs are already desperate when they have to introduce sock puppets to various community forums.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
You can sense the Libs are already desperate when they have to introduce sock puppets to various community forums.
bingley hall
Steve Marshall on the radio today sounding a bit desperate - I guess Xenomorph coming back to SA to contest the state election has him spooked; might well keep them out of office for another four years.

Does anyone know what the fundamental cause of the long delay on the underpass is?

Drove past South Road yesterday and the progress there is incredible, the trench is now very deep and the only parts remaining to be fully excavated appear to be nearer to Torrens Road.
  patsstuffnow Locomotive Driver

@ Bingley, I am not a sock puppet.
I was living right in the middle of Port Adelaide and my housemates and I suffered from the delays and lack of services around the Port.
I have now moved to Seaton and it is frustrating to not be able to use the train.

This afternoon I was delayed yet again at Crows Corner by the "safety system" The intersection of Port Road, West Lakes boulevard, Cheltenham Road. This is quite close to the Premiers residence and they can not even coordinate the lights there.

This was the old corner next to Holdens. At change of shifts in the days of holdens there would be delays for twenty minutes or so. Now there are 20 minute delays all day.
This is because of the safety system on the level crossing. The section between west lakes boulevard and the rail line only half fills because of the sensors half way between the lights and rail line. . Then when the green light comes in the traffic held by the level crossing moves off just to get held when the lights go red again. This causes delays back to Findon Road. That cascades back to Woodville Road.

Now that there will be no trains until January would it help traffic flows if they turned that set of safety systems off?
And what about Cheltenham Parade, Woolnough Road/ Semaphore Road.

Just a couple of areas where we could help business people make a bit of extra money.

Years ago I lived at Cheltenham , close to the racecourse.
No excessive delays at the crossing except when a freight train broke down.
Now the platforms together on the up side of the crossing mean extra delays.
Had the old down platform been retained along with the underpass the delays would be reduced.
The traffic lights for entry to the St Clair shops also cause delays for traffic at the railway crossing.
I travel from Seaton to Rosewater three or four times a week and sixty percent of the time I get held up.
All this amounts to lost time and productivity.
Lack of connectivity is costing this state millions of dollars in lost productivity.
  patsstuffnow Locomotive Driver

Here is one for the archivists .
My father was born in 1923. His first job was in the city starting about 8.30
He would catch the train from Cheltenham( racecourse not Stroud street.) It would be a seven car heavily loaded F hauled train.

Demand grew for an extra train.
The railways did the maths and decided that an extra loco and rollingstock was not viable. So they made the service run 10 minutes later.
Patronage dropped so a P and three cars were enough. Nobody could get to work on time.
PROBLEM SOLVED

Fifty years passed, my cousin and I moved into the house.
One had a job in the city, the other at Marion.
Originally a four car redhen from Glanville, fullish train but we got there,
Redhen trailers were removed, so it shrank to three cars, then the third redhen was purloined for another service.
Once again the service was pruned to suit the available rollingstock. And what was a crowded four car train became a two car jam jar.

I had to catch the service before it to connect with a Brighton train.  7,28 am from Stroud Street, If I missed that I would catch the 7.45 but the connection was not possible, as we would sit outside Adelaide and watch the Brighton leave to clear a platform.  so the only alternative was to go on the 7.30 back to Glanville and join the 2 car express.

Last time I saw trains at that time of day ( Port services do not run very often) it was a 2 car set of 3000.
After seventy years of technological improvements the size of the trains are reducing.
  patsstuffnow Locomotive Driver

Just heard a conversation on the radio.

A woman from Semaphore Park wants to go to Port Adelaide for medical and shopping purposes.
Seven minutes by car, but parking is a smeg.

She wrote to her local member ( Mullighan) for advice and requesting about the old community service.

Mullighan replied with some suggestions to get to West Lakes, but her doctor is in the Port.

So version two arrived and she decided to try it.

Difficult for an elderly lady to carry shopping on the bus, but persistence paid off.

seven minutes each way by car.
Net result by Mullighans bus service.
FOUR BLOODY HOURS !!!!!!!!!!

She is not very happy with her local MP!!!!!!!
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
If Labor is so keen to create jobs , why are they so silent on a passenger service to the Barossa, as this surely would create some jobs to fill the post Holden void.
patsstuffnow
This was a subject of a lengthy thread some years ago.

It comes down to a number of factors:
  1. cost of upgrading the line - 12 months ago it was a 50kph freight only line and it would need to be brought up to 100+kph passenger standards, an exercise that will not be cheap - probably funded by issuing bonds.
  2. the cost of the vehicles.   Existing vehicles might do but they would need to be upgraded with toilets since the distance is not inconsiderable.    Existing vehicles would be reaching their end-of-life - again funded by a bond issue.
  3. the actual demand for Barossa to Gawler, Elizabeth, Salisbury or Adelaide trains - probably 2 fairly minor peaks with a trickle the rest of the day.
  4. The somewhat limited return through the fare box.
  5. The number of on-going jobs is limited only by the limited number of services (Smile)

Now bonds will need to be serviced by annual interest payment which will partly be offset by the fares, otherwise the whole service would need to be heavily subsidised, quite probably to the extent of over $200 per person per journey.

The service was withdrawn in the late 1960s due to just these factors.    The old vehicles were getting very long in the tooth and the purchase of new vehicles could just not be justified.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Just heard a conversation on the radio.

A woman from Semaphore Park wants to go to Port Adelaide for medical and shopping purposes.
Seven minutes by car, but parking is a smeg.

She wrote to her local member ( Mullighan) for advice and requesting about the old community service.

Mullighan replied with some suggestions to get to West Lakes, but her doctor is in the Port.

So version two arrived and she decided to try it.

Difficult for an elderly lady to carry shopping on the bus, but persistence paid off.

seven minutes each way by car.
Net result by Mullighans bus service.
FOUR BLOODY HOURS !!!!!!!!!!

She is not very happy with her local MP!!!!!!!
patsstuffnow
Adelaide, indeed most Australian cities, seems to be wedded to the radial bus service model where nearly every vehicle serves the Adelaide CBD.

Canadian cities, certainly Toronto, have bus services that run on a grid pattern.    To get from anywhere to anywhere else might involve one or two changes of vehicle, but the bus services all nicely connect and it is not to painful which is particularly important in a Toronto winter.
  patsstuffnow Locomotive Driver

If Labor is so keen to create jobs , why are they so silent on a passenger service to the Barossa, as this surely would create some jobs to fill the post Holden void.
This was a subject of a lengthy thread some years ago.

It comes down to a number of factors:
  1. cost of upgrading the line - 12 months ago it was a 50kph freight only line and it would need to be brought up to 100+kph passenger standards, an exercise that will not be cheap - probably funded by issuing bonds.
  2. the cost of the vehicles.   Existing vehicles might do but they would need to be upgraded with toilets since the distance is not inconsiderable.    Existing vehicles would be reaching their end-of-life - again funded by a bond issue.
  3. the actual demand for Barossa to Gawler, Elizabeth, Salisbury or Adelaide trains - probably 2 fairly minor peaks with a trickle the rest of the day.
  4. The somewhat limited return through the fare box.
  5. The number of on-going jobs is limited only by the limited number of services (Smile)

Now bonds will need to be serviced by annual interest payment which will partly be offset by the fares, otherwise the whole service would need to be heavily subsidised, quite probably to the extent of over $200 per person per journey.

The service was withdrawn in the late 1960s due to just these factors.    The old vehicles were getting very long in the tooth and the purchase of new vehicles could just not be justified.
kipioneer
Point 1
Roads around the Barossa are commonly 80 km roads.
To travel above 80 means you do not enjoy the scenery as much.
Over the years I have travelled on many trains, steam diesel and railcar.
Day night, whenever and the slower they travelled the more I enjoyed it and consumed more product.

Instead of issuing bonds why not try redeploying some of the 1500 staff from the Premiers department.

2, In days of old the recently scrapped jumbos had some fitted with toilets. The old drawings would be easy enough to find.
And god forbid we could employ some local people to fit them and maintain them.

3. A commuter service from Barossa to City in the AM as long as it arrives in city by 9am would be patronised well instead of the car loads changing at Gawler.
Once again people from the "transit lounge" or the 1500 untouchables in the Premiers department could investigate the sources of traffic at North Gawler, Gawler etc.
A departure from the city around 9 am would be a useful tool to compete with the existing bus services. The existing services could be converted to shuttles around the Barossa to complement the shuttles through the Barossa.

A return to the city by 5 would allow an extra commuter train to leave around 5.00pm for the Barossa.

Where do you get 100kph suburban trains in Adelaide? I thought the maximum speed is 90kph. It is not 90 on the Grange or Belair lines, so lets compare apples with apples instead of mangoes!!!!

When G&W took over I think they inherited an 80 kph line so that is what they are supposed to maintain and return.
Around Dorrien I think there are still 80k speed boards and is the bend into Nuri still sign posted at 65kph?

4. How are you so sure the return at the farebox will be low. ??
Is this a sock puppet comment?
I have travelled on a full 14 car train services, MacAvaney made a profit running lots of full bluebirds to the Valley, All charging "profitable" fares

I spent several hours on the platform at Tanunda on an evening with a show and shine event happening.
Hundreds of people passed the station, saw the shiny rails ( from the Stonie) and asked me when the next train was departing?
When Festivals occur there are often road closures and a train service would be able to move hundreds of people , avoid traffic hassles, and provide food and drink services on the train.

5. twenty ongoing jobs would have more of a positive impact on the State economy than just consigning people to the dole.
One reason for the abrupt departure of the jumbos were the elevated cabs.
I can understand the safety implications of this, but we are a few years away from the start of the submarine project.
Could we not have employed a couple of engineers, a couple of structural boilermakers and some carriage fitters to redesign the front of a few jumbos to provide overhead proof cabs. This would have provided transition experience for some existing workers, and could have been an avenue for a few apprentices to gain some practical experience.

I see this as a set of words being used two ways.

1 Why cant we do this?
2 Why we cant do this!!

Same words , very different intention.

And add another thought in.
In my truck driving days.
A regular job was to collect a load of aluminium from the plant at Angaston.
Deliver it to Elizabeth.
There it was repacked onto 40 ft containers for distribution to the rest of Australia.
Rail was the preferred carrier for the interstate runs.

Are any of those locations adjacent to railway lines?


Is the current government actually interested in creating jobs for local people or just creating jobs from foreign companies.
  patsstuffnow Locomotive Driver

Just heard a conversation on the radio.

A woman from Semaphore Park wants to go to Port Adelaide for medical and shopping purposes.
Seven minutes by car, but parking is a smeg.

She wrote to her local member ( Mullighan) for advice and requesting about the old community service.

Mullighan replied with some suggestions to get to West Lakes, but her doctor is in the Port.

So version two arrived and she decided to try it.

Difficult for an elderly lady to carry shopping on the bus, but persistence paid off.

seven minutes each way by car.
Net result by Mullighans bus service.
FOUR BLOODY HOURS !!!!!!!!!!

She is not very happy with her local MP!!!!!!!
Adelaide, indeed most Australian cities, seems to be wedded to the radial bus service model where nearly every vehicle serves the Adelaide CBD.

Canadian cities, certainly Toronto, have bus services that run on a grid pattern.    To get from anywhere to anywhere else might involve one or two changes of vehicle, but the bus services all nicely connect and it is not to painful which is particularly important in a Toronto winter.

I have been talking with several people around the Port. On weekends it is very hard to park in the Port.
Quest, the new government building alone have removed quite a few parks in the centre of the port.

A plan was discussed to initially utilise the three Port Adelaide Enfield community buses which normally spend weekends in the council compound.



The plan is to
1. start a run at number one shed, travel to the Clipper ship Adelaide and the adjacent parking area,
2. Travel on Sundays to the Torrens Island fruit and veg market.
3, pass the Fish factory on grand Junction Road
4, Visit Port Adelaide Rail station KMART / Coles etc.
5 go to Aviation Museum,
6 Rail museuem
7 Maritime museum,
8, No 1 shed,
9 Harts Mill precinct,
10 Fort Glanville
11 Semaphore,
12 Largs Bay
13 Glanville rail station

Then start the journey again.


After five months of continual requests to speak with Mullighan he finally respond with a glib letter stating that the beneficiaries of this project should pay for it. So he indicates he is not interested in assisting any of the community groups listed herein.
Adelaide metro provides many bus services to shopping centres like Marion, West Lakes, Arndale, CBD etc.
Do any of these entities pay for bus services?
The provision of 99, 98, 97 services around the city are perennially  popular. Are citizens of Port Adelaide not of sufficient importance to need a similar service.

The 16.6 million allocated for the Port Adelaide extension would fund this service for a long period of time and provide more benefits for local residents than the dubious effects of this train service.
A peak hour only mon to Friday service servicing Port Adelaide station, Commercial road, the industrial back blocks of the Port, Quest, the new government Ivory tower, Harts mill precinct and Glanville or Ethelton station would provide a much more user friendly experience than an hourly run from Adelaide to Port Dock east.

If I were to plan to use a kiss and ride at Port Dock why would that be better than using, Glanville, Ethelton, Port Adelaide, Islington, or dry creek?
Commercial Road and St Vincent street already suffer from congestion. To add extra traffic to get to the station will not enhance the travel experience.

And with some planning this service could be useful for local residents like the lady mentioned above. It would definitely be faster than 4 hours to get her to the doctor.



kipioneer
  patsstuffnow Locomotive Driver

Just heard a conversation on the radio.

A woman from Semaphore Park wants to go to Port Adelaide for medical and shopping purposes.
Seven minutes by car, but parking is a smeg.

She wrote to her local member ( Mullighan) for advice and requesting about the old community service.

Mullighan replied with some suggestions to get to West Lakes, but her doctor is in the Port.

So version two arrived and she decided to try it.

Difficult for an elderly lady to carry shopping on the bus, but persistence paid off.

seven minutes each way by car.
Net result by Mullighans bus service.
FOUR BLOODY HOURS !!!!!!!!!!

She is not very happy with her local MP!!!!!!!
Adelaide, indeed most Australian cities, seems to be wedded to the radial bus service model where nearly every vehicle serves the Adelaide CBD.

Canadian cities, certainly Toronto, have bus services that run on a grid pattern.    To get from anywhere to anywhere else might involve one or two changes of vehicle, but the bus services all nicely connect and it is not to painful which is particularly important in a Toronto winter.

I have been talking with several people around the Port. On weekends it is very hard to park in the Port.
Quest, the new government building alone have removed quite a few parks in the centre of the port.

A plan was discussed to initially utilise the three Port Adelaide Enfield community buses which normally spend weekends in the council compound.



The plan is to
1. start a run at number one shed, travel to the Clipper ship Adelaide and the adjacent parking area,
2. Travel on Sundays to the Torrens Island fruit and veg market.
3, pass the Fish factory on grand Junction Road
4, Visit Port Adelaide Rail station KMART / Coles etc.
5 go to Aviation Museum,
6 Rail museuem
7 Maritime museum,
8, No 1 shed,
9 Harts Mill precinct,
10 Fort Glanville
11 Semaphore,
12 Largs Bay
13 Glanville rail station

Then start the journey again.


After five months of continual requests to speak with Mullighan he finally respond with a glib letter stating that the beneficiaries of this project should pay for it. So he indicates he is not interested in assisting any of the community groups listed herein.
Adelaide metro provides many bus services to shopping centres like Marion, West Lakes, Arndale, CBD etc.
Do any of these entities pay for bus services?
The provision of 99, 98, 97 services around the city are perennially  popular. Are citizens of Port Adelaide not of sufficient importance to need a similar service.

The 16.6 million allocated for the Port Adelaide extension would fund this service for a long period of time and provide more benefits for local residents than the dubious effects of this train service.
A peak hour only mon to Friday service servicing Port Adelaide station, Commercial road, the industrial back blocks of the Port, Quest, the new government Ivory tower, Harts mill precinct and Glanville or Ethelton station would provide a much more user friendly experience than an hourly run from Adelaide to Port Dock east.

If I were to plan to use a kiss and ride at Port Dock why would that be better than using, Glanville, Ethelton, Port Adelaide, Islington, or dry creek?
Commercial Road and St Vincent street already suffer from congestion. To add extra traffic to get to the station will not enhance the travel experience.

And with some planning this service could be useful for local residents like the lady mentioned above. It would definitely be faster than 4 hours to get her to the doctor.



  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park


Point 1
Roads around the Barossa are commonly 80 km roads.
To travel above 80 means you do not enjoy the scenery as much.
Over the years I have travelled on many trains, steam diesel and railcar.
Day night, whenever and the slower they travelled the more I enjoyed it and consumed more product.

Instead of issuing bonds why not try redeploying some of the 1500 staff from the Premiers department.

2, In days of old the recently scrapped jumbos had some fitted with toilets. The old drawings would be easy enough to find.
And god forbid we could employ some local people to fit them and maintain them.

3. A commuter service from Barossa to City in the AM as long as it arrives in city by 9am would be patronised well instead of the car loads changing at Gawler.
Once again people from the "transit lounge" or the 1500 untouchables in the Premiers department could investigate the sources of traffic at North Gawler, Gawler etc.
A departure from the city around 9 am would be a useful tool to compete with the existing bus services. The existing services could be converted to shuttles around the Barossa to complement the shuttles through the Barossa.

A return to the city by 5 would allow an extra commuter train to leave around 5.00pm for the Barossa.

Where do you get 100kph suburban trains in Adelaide? I thought the maximum speed is 90kph. It is not 90 on the Grange or Belair lines, so lets compare apples with apples instead of mangoes!!!!

When G&W took over I think they inherited an 80 kph line so that is what they are supposed to maintain and return.
Around Dorrien I think there are still 80k speed boards and is the bend into Nuri still sign posted at 65kph?

4. How are you so sure the return at the farebox will be low. ??
Is this a sock puppet comment?
I have travelled on a full 14 car train services, MacAvaney made a profit running lots of full bluebirds to the Valley, All charging "profitable" fares

I spent several hours on the platform at Tanunda on an evening with a show and shine event happening.
Hundreds of people passed the station, saw the shiny rails ( from the Stonie) and asked me when the next train was departing?
When Festivals occur there are often road closures and a train service would be able to move hundreds of people , avoid traffic hassles, and provide food and drink services on the train.

5. twenty ongoing jobs would have more of a positive impact on the State economy than just consigning people to the dole.
One reason for the abrupt departure of the jumbos were the elevated cabs.
I can understand the safety implications of this, but we are a few years away from the start of the submarine project.
Could we not have employed a couple of engineers, a couple of structural boilermakers and some carriage fitters to redesign the front of a few jumbos to provide overhead proof cabs. This would have provided transition experience for some existing workers, and could have been an avenue for a few apprentices to gain some practical experience.

I see this as a set of words being used two ways.

1 Why cant we do this?
2 Why we cant do this!!

Same words , very different intention.

And add another thought in.
In my truck driving days.
A regular job was to collect a load of aluminium from the plant at Angaston.
Deliver it to Elizabeth.
There it was repacked onto 40 ft containers for distribution to the rest of Australia.
Rail was the preferred carrier for the interstate runs.

Are any of those locations adjacent to railway lines?


Is the current government actually interested in creating jobs for local people or just creating jobs from foreign companies.
patsstuffnow
Do you understand government financing?    Clearly not.     The first 15 years of my working life was in this area.

The costs of upgrqading the track and, at the very least, upgrading the railcars would run into several millions of dollars and would be funded out of loan funds - in other words borrowings made by raising bonds.

Redeploying 1500 staff from the Premiers Department paid from recurrent expenditure will not come anywhere near paying for the cost of these upgrades.    In any case which 1500?   The Mines and Energy group?    The ICT group?   The Procurement Group?   What would you have them do?    Geologist from Mines aren't going to work on the track when they could get much more hansomly paid in the mining industry.

The line between Adelaide and Goodwood and on to Seaford is posted at 110kph and I would anticipate the Gawler line will be the same once it is electrified.

The bus service now runs under an exclusive licence from DPTI in common with every other intrastate service in South Australia, and is fairly sparse which is an indication of the demand.    The service is either a bus or a train not one competing with the other.

What are you providing the service for?   Commuters or tourists?

The fare you can charge for commuters is limited by political realities.    The fare for a tourist service can be much higher because the level of service is much higher.     Commuters will not pay this fare for their daily commute.    What would you charge for a daily commute to, say, Tanunda?    The $100 plus you would charge for a tourist service that must stand on its own feet?    I think not.

As for using jumbos - when the service was dropped in 1968 or whenever the service was being provided by 30 - 40 year old railcars which needed to be replaced.    The government of the day did its sums and decided against it.    The jumbos had reached the end of their life and the 3000/3100 railcars are not far behind them.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Something's gone badly wrong with that project, what was originally scheduled to be a three week closure has now turned into one nearly four months long. By my count, that has now exceeded the delays on the Southern Expressway duplication and only needs to go a couple of weeks longer than the new projected reopening in January to also exceed the delays in the commencement of train services to Seaford.

In addition to running behind schedule, there was a "minor derailment" of the inbound Ghan service there last week.
justapassenger
What I find surprising is it taking 3 weeks to cut in the deviated Gawler line and, presumably, a couple of days at the most to cut in the ARTC line.

But then I am a programmer not an engineer.
  DJPeters Junior Train Controller

The ARTC line would have precedence over the passenger lines though we cannot have the Tourist's on the Ghan and IP held up as well as interstate freight. The great unwashed that travel by suburban train can wait though by the looks of it (sarcasm)

Well that is what it looks like though. But I really think some just out of Uni engineer did not not get his maths right when calculating how long this would take. It is a bigger job than Goodwood was and if they based it on that timing they were always going to need more time. This is a huge project unlike Goodwood which was reasonably simple and quick to put in.

Same kind of project  as Goodwood but including all the digging through Bowden and the parklands. I dont think they really knew how long it was going to take to remove it all, sure it is only dirt that needs to be removed but it still takes time to actually remove it though. Oh well a bit longer and we will have a better train service hopefully anyway.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Well that is what it looks like though. But I really think some just out of Uni engineer did not not get his maths right when calculating how long this would take. It is a bigger job than Goodwood was and if they based it on that timing they were always going to need more time. This is a huge project unlike Goodwood which was reasonably simple and quick to put in.

Same kind of project  as Goodwood but including all the digging through Bowden and the parklands. I dont think they really knew how long it was going to take to remove it all, sure it is only dirt that needs to be removed but it still takes time to actually remove it though. Oh well a bit longer and we will have a better train service hopefully anyway.
DJPeters
It's certainly a bigger job overall than Goodwood, but it's a very easy site to access with none of the constraints that were present at Goodwood. I reckon the rail-rail underpass should actually have been a simpler job than the Goodwood one, far easier to organise short periods of intense 24 hour works on the disruptive parts (i.e. anything closing the Gawler railway or Park Terrace) when there are no residents close to the site.

The Connexion Alliance consortium running this job is made up of big players in the industry (Laing O'Rourke, AECOM and KB&R) so I think there would be a better reason for it going wrong than blaming it on the intern. The government hasn't made any noises about making the contractors pay for it like we had with the Seaford line signalling and the Mike Turtur Bikeway bridge failure, so I'm starting to think that this is a result of the state government cutting costs and diverting the savings elsewhere.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Hopefully a last roll of the dice on Barossa rail.

If you want to turn the vineyards into acres and acres of tar and cement with little ticky tacky boxes on every hillside then you can justify a railway.

To get enough population to justify a railway would destroy what is and has been the inherent attraction of the Barossa.

I know what I would choose and it doesn't need rail.

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