V/Line Incidents/Disruptions

 
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Seems like I must have been lucky last night than. At least we got a train, even if it left 37 minutes late (which slipped to about 65 minutes late by Gisborne, making us later then the the timetabled time for the next train)

N463
N463
With apologies to @Valvegear are you sure you meant to include the word, "lucky"? Smile

BG

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Staff illness ! ! !

Last October I sat beside a Qantas captain on a train from Gosford to Sydney.  He had been on stand-by that day; someone became unavailable, so he was heading to the Airport to fly a Dash 8 to Tamworth and back.
It can be done, you know.
Valvegear

This used to be routine on V/Line.
My mate before his sudden death last year used to be rostered 'on standby' as a part of his usual fortnight roster due to the inevitable staff illnesses.

IMO staffing hasn't kept up with increasing services...remember it takes 2 years to train drivers.

Mike.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Entirely possible if you look at the performance of V/line generally.
  N463 Locomotive Driver

Seems like I must have been lucky last night than. At least we got a train, even if it left 37 minutes late (which slipped to about 65 minutes late by Gisborne, making us later then the the timetabled time for the next train)

N463
With apologies to @Valvegear are you sure you meant to include the word, "lucky"? Smile

BG
BrentonGolding
As things are reckoned these days it seems I was lucks to get a train.... eventually....

N463
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The 07.41 Down Swan Hill is terminating at Bendigo this morning due to "maintenance requirements".

V/Line goes on to say "Alternative transport will be provided from Bendigo for customers WISHING TO CONTINUE their journey" (capitals used by me for emphasis).

Wishing to continue?!?! An example of a passenger's response to this might be "I was going to get the train home to my family in Swan Hill after my surgery at the Alfred but I'll just go to Bendigo instead, thanks V/Line!"

Muppets.

BG
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The 07.41 Down Swan Hill is terminating at Bendigo this morning due to "maintenance requirements".

V/Line goes on to say "Alternative transport will be provided from Bendigo for customers WISHING TO CONTINUE their journey" (capitals used by me for emphasis).

Wishing to continue?!?! An example of a passenger's response to this might be "I was going to get the train home to my family in Swan Hill after my surgery at the Alfred but I'll just go to Bendigo instead, thanks V/Line!"

Muppets.

BG
BrentonGolding
And it's only going to get worse with the hot weather.  It was only in the low 30s in Melbourne yesterday and half the Metro network cracked up, adding to V/Line delays...
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
Both morning up trains from Shepparton didn't run, signal fault.
It appears no morning or lunch time trains on the Albury line, train fault.
All just a "minor disruption".
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Both morning up trains from Shepparton didn't run, signal fault.
It appears no morning or lunch time trains on the Albury line, train fault.
All just a "minor disruption".
emmastreet

Albury UP service arriving into Melbourne https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/bunbury-street/photo/38400260181 the UP service must have run today.
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
Both morning up trains from Shepparton didn't run, signal fault.
It appears no morning or lunch time trains on the Albury line, train fault.
All just a "minor disruption".

Albury UP service arriving into Melbourne https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/bunbury-street/photo/38400260181 the UP service must have run today.
bevans
Sorry for the mis-information. Made the mistake of believing the V/line web site.
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Heat speed restrictions were put in place yesterday on the Geelong line between 12:00 & 20:00. That was interesting in itself as the forecast temperature was 34 for both Geelong and Avalon. The V/Line website clearly states when the temperature hits 36 degrees, V/Line trains slow down because steel tracks expand in the heat. Nowhere on the Geelong line was forecast to hit 36 degrees. The highest temperature recorded in the region was 35.1 at Avalon at 13:10.


I caught my usual 15:10 down service home and the heat speed restrictions only seemed to affect section the West Werribee to Lara section of the track. All other sections we hit top speed.

Even more interesting was the fact that the 15:10 service generally arrives at North Geelong anywhere between 4-7 minutes late. Yesterday even with the heat speed restrictions we were only 5 minutes late. Apart from the usual service disruptions due to train failures, V/Line seemed to keep to the timetable pretty well.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

Heat speed restrictions were put in place yesterday on the Geelong line between 12:00 & 20:00. That was interesting in itself as the forecast temperature was 34 for both Geelong and Avalon. The V/Line website clearly states when the temperature hits 36 degrees, V/Line trains slow down because steel tracks expand in the heat. Nowhere on the Geelong line was forecast to hit 36 degrees. The highest temperature recorded in the region was 35.1 at Avalon at 13:10.


I caught my usual 15:10 down service home and the heat speed restrictions only seemed to affect section the West Werribee to Lara section of the track. All other sections we hit top speed.

Even more interesting was the fact that the 15:10 service generally arrives at North Geelong anywhere between 4-7 minutes late. Yesterday even with the heat speed restrictions we were only 5 minutes late. Apart from the usual service disruptions due to train failures, V/Line seemed to keep to the timetable pretty well.
SamTheMan79
The speed restriction was a reduction to 130 kmh instead of 160 kmh between Manor and Corio.

Don't ask why.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Well it's all happening this morning on the Bendigo line. 07.14 Down Swan Hill to run as a 3 car Vlocity to Bendigo then coaches, with the reverse applying to the 12.54 Up service. Yesterday these services were bustified and then unbustified!

The 06.16 Down Bendigo train was apparently delayed 15 minutes due to congestion!!!!!!!

I am on the 09.14 Dn Bendigo which didn't even make it to the end of Platform 8 before we were Red lighted. Already 10 minutes late into Footscray, will be interesting to see if we have a path Albion > Sunbury.

Still at least I got to see A66 in action again, always a fun way to start the day seeing a locomotive older than I am still running a regular passenger service!

BG
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
A direct message on Twitter from V/Line this morning explaining cancellations/carriage reductions following an unrelated post-

"When carriages are changed this can have an affect on the maintenance requirements for that specific carriage. For example a certain train may be rostered to make a service to Geelong where it then goes out to the yard for general maintenance, a wash, fuel etc. Now if that train turns up in Bendigo because of a last minute service change it may not receive the maintenance required to allow it to run the next day."
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Incidentally, most Bendigo line trains were late yesterday evening due to reduced speeds between Sunbury and Castlemaine.  What was all that about?  It wasn't over 30 degC (or 36c when heat WOLO kicks in).
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
A direct message on Twitter from V/Line this morning explaining cancellations/carriage reductions following an unrelated post-

"When carriages are changed this can have an affect on the maintenance requirements for that specific carriage. For example a certain train may be rostered to make a service to Geelong where it then goes out to the yard for general maintenance, a wash, fuel etc. Now if that train turns up in Bendigo because of a last minute service change it may not receive the maintenance required to allow it to run the next day."
SamTheMan79
Crap
Is the show run for passenger convenience or Vline convenience?
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
A direct message on Twitter from V/Line this morning explaining cancellations/carriage reductions following an unrelated post-

"When carriages are changed this can have an affect on the maintenance requirements for that specific carriage. For example a certain train may be rostered to make a service to Geelong where it then goes out to the yard for general maintenance, a wash, fuel etc. Now if that train turns up in Bendigo because of a last minute service change it may not receive the maintenance required to allow it to run the next day."
Crap
Is the show run for passenger convenience or Vline convenience?
YM-Mundrabilla
Pinder's recent comments with regards to the Geelong line performance and blaming it on passengers & dwell times has left a sour taste in many Geelong commuters mouths. That along with the message I posted above makes me believe the latter.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Incidentally, most Bendigo line trains were late yesterday evening due to reduced speeds between Sunbury and Castlemaine.  What was all that about?  It wasn't over 30 degC (or 36c when heat WOLO kicks in).
Carnot
I noticed that Carnot, thanks for reminding me as I had forgotten. I was on the 16.25 Up out of The Maine, we were more than 10 minutes late into SC due to slow running.

I also noticed that the evening Down services seemed to be running late through the Metro area and so seemed more "bunched up" than usual.

BG
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I thought the maintenance facilities were only at Southern Cross and Ballarat?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I thought the maintenance facilities were only at Southern Cross and Ballarat?
railblogger
Is there not fuel at Bendigo and Geelong(?) ?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Peak services on the Bendigo line are a shambles again this evening. Track fault at Castlemaine this time....
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I thought the maintenance facilities were only at Southern Cross and Ballarat?
Is there not fuel at Bendigo and Geelong(?) ?
YM-Mundrabilla
There's fuel but I'm talking about full on maintenance facilities like the one in Craigieburn.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I thought the maintenance facilities were only at Southern Cross and Ballarat?
Is there not fuel at Bendigo and Geelong(?) ?
There's fuel but I'm talking about full on maintenance facilities like the one in Craigieburn.
railblogger
Because an item of rolling stock goes to Geelong instead of Ballarat it will not instantly become incapable of returning.

Rolling stock simply does not or should not be worked that close. It does not turn into a pumpkin at Seymour enroute to Shepparton just because there is an arbitrary/computer generated maintenance darg placed upon it. Fuel, sand, water yes but these are routine running supplies.

Do you suggest that  when your car gets to its 10,000 km service part way to wherever that you must stop instantly?

Basically, and within reason, the service should be run for the convenience of its passengers not for its bean counters, drivers or maintainers etc.
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
I thought the maintenance facilities were only at Southern Cross and Ballarat?
Is there not fuel at Bendigo and Geelong(?) ?
There's fuel but I'm talking about full on maintenance facilities like the one in Craigieburn.
Because an item of rolling stock goes to Geelong instead of Ballarat it will not instantly become incapable of returning.

Rolling stock simply does not or should not be worked that close. It does not turn into a pumpkin at Seymour enroute to Shepparton just because there is an arbitrary/computer generated maintenance darg placed upon it. Fuel, sand, water yes but these are routine running supplies.

Do you suggest that  when your car gets to its 10,000 km service part way to wherever that you must stop instantly?

Basically, and within reason, the service should be run for the convenience of its passengers not for its bean counters, drivers or maintainers etc.
YM-Mundrabilla
Not getting on with building the stabling & maintenance facilities that are planned for Waurn Ponds (announced in 2015!!) I think is coming back to bite. I am led to believe however that this maybe dependent on the duplication of South Geelong to Waurn Ponds because of the availability of paths to run rollingstock down to Waurn Ponds to be "maintained" during the day and sent back in time for peak services.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I thought the maintenance facilities were only at Southern Cross and Ballarat?
Is there not fuel at Bendigo and Geelong(?) ?
There's fuel but I'm talking about full on maintenance facilities like the one in Craigieburn.
Because an item of rolling stock goes to Geelong instead of Ballarat it will not instantly become incapable of returning.

Rolling stock simply does not or should not be worked that close. It does not turn into a pumpkin at Seymour enroute to Shepparton just because there is an arbitrary/computer generated maintenance darg placed upon it. Fuel, sand, water yes but these are routine running supplies.

Do you suggest that  when your car gets to its 10,000 km service part way to wherever that you must stop instantly?

Basically, and within reason, the service should be run for the convenience of its passengers not for its bean counters, drivers or maintainers etc.
YM-Mundrabilla
Mate arguably the biggest concern for commuters is the reliability of the service. Given this and how much the fleet has expanded and is continuing to expand, two maintenance facilities simply won't cope. Trains, like any other kine of vehicle, need regular maintenance in order to keep them running safely which means sending them in for checks even if they haven't broken down. After all, the last thing you want is for one to break down mid-service.

Building a maintenance facility in Geelong and Bendigo will trains stabled in those locations to underground maintenance overnight before returning to service for the morning peak. Similarily, trains stabled between peaks can undergo maintenance during the day.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Despite some protest by the local land owner, the site for a major maintenance facility with a scale far larger than we have had before is planned and committed at Waurn Ponds just near the cement works.   There have been discussions with the landowner going back almost 10 years.   It is intended to be the ultimate major maintenance facility for the V'Locity fleet being capable of undertaking the full program of maintenance tasks, cleaning (which will be something new) etc.

I think you will find references to maintenance requirements being code for railcars having insufficient fuel to do the changed assignment.  V/Line devotes inordinate resources tracking the fleet in relation to fuel capacity and range because it has elected not to adopt a policy of refueling the fleet everyday.   It obviously has a program set utilization which is standard practice but then it endeavours to get the maximum range out of the sets before refueling.   Every so often it gets caught and gets beaten up in the media.

That's not to say that many sets are not refueled daily but a lot aren't.   So if yr in ops and the the network gets disrupted, not only do you have to find a train you then have to establish how much fuel its got and then the distance the alterfed working entails and make a call.

It's easy to manage say an N class loco heading out on the evening down to Swan Hill.   You know it will be back in the morning so its not as critical to refuel daily.  But for V'Locities I think daily refueling should be the target so you know each day yr entire fleet is fueled and can basically be redeployed as circumstances change.  V/Line campaigned strongly for standard consists, it needs to exploit that by refueling daily with just a few exceptions.

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