Night Network Discussion

 
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Night Network Trial will end mid/late 2017 and wondering whether this is useful to you or is it losing money for what it is worth? I fully support increasing it to every 30 minutes for the trains and trams. And I think the Buses and Vline need working out since some of their night services are lacking patronage. Overall I support continuing this and make it permanent with improvements I have stated. I have never used the Night Network myself, these improvements are what I've heard in the news articles and blogs. If you had a confusing time or a great time using train network at night you can comment below.

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  steve195 Train Controller

It should be kept, but changes need to be made to make it more effective. With no knowledge of patronage data, here's what I would propose:

  • Either scrap most night bus routes, or re-align them to make them more attractive
  • Don't run night trains to Upfield and run tram #19 at a 10-15min frequency
  • Run busses rather than trains Williamstown - Newport, Alamein - Camberwell and Greensborough - Hurstbridge
  • Hourly trains to Lilydale, Belgrave, Glen Waverley, Pakenham, Cranbourne and Sandringham. (Thus 30min frequencies to Ringwood and Dandenong)
  • Half hourly trains to Frankston, Greensborough, South Morang, Craigieburn, Sunbury and Werribee.
  • 3-car trains could be run between 2am and 7am, though I have no idea if the cost savings would make uncoupling sets worthwhile.



I have no experience with the V/Line coaches, so I'll let others comment on that.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
***WARNING: FOAM APPROACHING***
Run loads more bus routes that connect with trains to increase the coverage of the Night Network
Ensure routes are as direct as they can be
Run buses instead of trains to Upfield, Alamein and Williamstown, with Upfield passengers using the tram to North Coburg to connect with a bus
Through-route some trains
Open South Cross Station at night for better connections to Skybus and Night Coach
Run the #59 tram at night to allow buses to be rerouted

Run all services every 30 mins

Run Night Coaches to South Gippsland
Run citybound Night Coach services to help shift workers and airport passengers
Run Night Coach services every two hours instead of one single service
Run Night Buses within the bounds of regional bus networks within the Night Coach area, to help people get to and from the Night Coach stops
***END OF FOAMY RANT***
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Good news. Confirmed it is here to stay, PTV is looking at the data over the next few months to improve the services. Changes to be made on JUNE 30.
  trainguy84 Junior Train Controller

Hi

As an overseas visitor to Melbourne the night public transport is great. I'm sure the bottlenecks will be ironed out over the short term
  slowcoach Locomotive Driver

No doubt Night Network is a welcome addition to our public transport network. Although I like the government to make several adjustments to make the service more reliable for our great city of Melbourne when the trial is scheduled to finish in June.
- Run trains around every 30 to 40 mins on every train line, rather than hourly.
- Include Southern Cross Station and the City Loop to the Night Train services
- Run additional night tram routes 11 (Collins St & Brunswick St), 16 (Swanston St, St Kilda Beach, Glenferrie Rd) and/or 58 (circa May 1: William St, Casino Southbank, Toorak Rd)
- Adjust the timetables to the Night Bus network to connect with every Night Train and Trams service at outer suburban stations and stops within 10 mins prior to the next trains and trams arriving (if possible).
- Regional Night Trains to Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo, Traralgon and Seymour departing at least hourly from Southern Cross Station.
- Night Coaches to every other regional towns across Victoria like Bairnsdale, Warrnambool, Swan Hill, Mildura, Maryborough, Echuca, Shepparton & Albury.
- Regional Night buses servicing to and fro the regional centres.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
No doubt Night Network is a welcome addition to our public transport network. Although I like the government to make several adjustments to make the service more reliable for our great city of Melbourne when the trial is scheduled to finish in June.
- Run trains around every 30 to 40 mins on every train line, rather than hourly.
- Include Southern Cross Station and the City Loop to the Night Train services
- Run additional night tram routes 11 (Collins St & Brunswick St), 16 (Swanston St, St Kilda Beach, Glenferrie Rd) and/or 58 (circa May 1: William St, Casino Southbank, Toorak Rd)
- Adjust the timetables to the Night Bus network to connect with every Night Train and Trams service at outer suburban stations and stops within 10 mins prior to the next trains and trams arriving (if possible).
- Regional Night Trains to Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo, Traralgon and Seymour departing at least hourly from Southern Cross Station.
- Night Coaches to every other regional towns across Victoria like Bairnsdale, Warrnambool, Swan Hill, Mildura, Maryborough, Echuca, Shepparton & Albury.
- Regional Night buses servicing to and fro the regional centres.
slowcoach
Night Coaches to/from places like Swan Hill would have zero demand due to the distance. Night Coaches are better thatn night Trains for the regional network, as you can get some sleep on them and they can stop at places not sserved by the rail network.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
I think Night V/Line Trains would really only be useful to Geelong and maybe Melton. Long distance services I don't think need them, but some later evening coaches to the more mid distance places, Ararat, Maryborough, Shepparton, Echuca, might be worth it.
  Flygon Train Controller

Location: Australia
Melton's a suburban area. Why segregate just because the trains spew out fumes, not sparks? Smile
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

Melton's a suburban area. Why segregate just because the trains spew out fumes, not sparks? Smile
Flygon
Because running a DMU is very expensive compared to a spark.
  steve195 Train Controller

Given that a number of changes are being made to the night network, I figured it might be time to bump this thread.

In terms of the regional coaches (starting next week):
  • Most stops are by request only
  • The Geelong service has been split in two (one stops Melbourne - Lara and the other serves the stations beyond)
  • Ballarat and Bendigo gain an extra service at 1am to fill in the gap between the last train at midnight and the 2am coach
  • Seymour and Traralgon each gain a coach in the UP direction at 11pm and 10pm respectively
Having not travelled on these services myself, I can only assume that they have proven to be reasonably popular to justify extra services being added.


As for the metro network, the PTV website now indicates that buses will run instead of trains between Newport and Williamstown, Camberwell and Alamein, Dandenong and Cranbourne, and beyond Ringwood.
This seems like a very sensible way of reducing costs. IMHO, these cuts don't go far enough.

Something has to be done about the very poorly patronised suburban bus routes as well. As it stands, they are pretty much a complete waste of money.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Given that a number of changes are being made to the night network, I figured it might be time to bump this thread.

In terms of the regional coaches (starting next week):
  • All stops are by request only
  • The Geelong service has been split in two (one stops Melbourne - Lara and the other serves the stations beyond)
  • Ballarat and Bendigo gain an extra service at 1am to fill in the gap between the last train at midnight and the 2am coach
  • Seymour and Traralgon each gain a coach in the UP direction at 11pm and 10pm respectively
Having not travelled on these services myself, I can only assume that they have proven to be reasonably popular to justify extra services being added.


As for the metro network, the PTV website now indicates that buses will run instead of trains between Newport and Williamstown, Camberwell and Alamein, Dandenong and Cranbourne, and beyond Ringwood.
This seems like a very sensible way of reducing costs. IMHO, these cuts don't go far enough.

Something has to be done about the very poorly patronised suburban bus routes as well. As it stands, they are pretty much a complete waste of money.
steve195
Not quite right mate. If you look at the timetables you'll find that there are still some scheduled stops and that Ballarat and Bendigo also get an Up service.
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

Given that a number of changes are being made to the night network, I figured it might be time to bump this thread.

Something has to be done about the very poorly patronised suburban bus routes as well. As it stands, they are pretty much a complete waste of money.
steve195
Elstenrwick- Dandenong bus is a complete waste (both 978 and 979).

Only used by Monash students who are too cheap to order an Uber from Huntingdale Station due to the 30min wait at Huntingdale between Train and the 978.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
I would like to not have to walk several kilometres on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday with absolutely no transport alternative exists except for taxis. For the price of a single taxi form the CBD to Ringwood complete with the BS after-midnight surcharge they feel the need to add to the already ridiculous fare rates, I could spend every night of the week at a pokies venue from midnight until the first train at 5AM and still have change left, with the added bonus of having the one-in-a-million chance of winning a 4-digit jackpot (or maybe even 5 digits with some games).
  stooge spark Train Controller

Here's something simple
Replace trains with buses Beyond Ringwood, Dandenong-Cranbourne (for now) with total closures for Alamein spur, Williamstown spur, Upfield line and Hurstbridge line beyond Greensbourgh.
For buses:
941 - Totally scrap
942- Scrap City to Sunshine section
943 - Totally scrap
944 - Scrap City to Altona section, Connect with all trains
945 - Totally scrap
951 - Totally scrap
952 - Remove City - Footscray section, not sure for others
953 - Totally scrap
955 - Scrap all except South Morang - Mernda, Scrap section once Mernda line opens
961 - Keep
963 - Totally scrap
964 - Totally scrap
965 - Why is this even a route?
966 - Scrap
967 - Not sure
970 - Scrap Carrum - Frankston
978 - Scrap
979 - Scrap
981 and 982 - Not sure about these two
The idea for this is to encourage taxi use from Railway stations, in order to save costs, 970 is a really long route with alot of potential, 961 services something with no rail, 955 and 944 are Train links that provide service to lots of potential passengers.
As for trams, get rid of route 96 and 67, and if The upfield should be kept then get rid of route 19.
If you wanted to replace these routes just make route 57 or 59 all nighters.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
I agree with Stooge in relation to the buses, but 96 is the most heavily used tram route. Even at 4.00 am there are plenty of people on each tram.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Re the buses: I disagree. Rather than scrap them, they should be totally redrawn and expanded. The current routes are so indirect and in some cases inconsistent and the train connection points aren't exactly the most convenient. In addition there are some areas of Melbourne with no night transport at all while some routes effectively duplicate other services. Also, the network does not cater for cross-suburban travel which would make it very difficult for people to get home from their friends' parties.
  rokaifly Station Master

Turn the smart bus network into a 24/7 route?
The 903 especially as this covers such a larger portion of suburbs and is a major cross town route
  stooge spark Train Controller

Re the buses: I disagree. Rather than scrap them, they should be totally redrawn and expanded. The current routes are so indirect and in some cases inconsistent and the train connection points aren't exactly the most convenient. In addition there are some areas of Melbourne with no night transport at all while some routes effectively duplicate other services. Also, the network does not cater for cross-suburban travel which would make it very difficult for people to get home from their friends' parties.
railblogger
Really? I've checked all the routes of the night network and they all seem pretty damn direct, granted, none of us know of Melbourne as a city of direct bus routes, but still, these are pretty direct.
As for cross-suburban travel, the whole network was never for that, it was intended to be used to get out of the city after a long night of getting drunk and partying.
  712M Chief Commissioner

The bus routes arent used because they are inconsistent with daytime routes with different route numbers which makes most passengers unsure of where they actually run. Much better to instead run already established bus routes and expand their operating hours to all night. For example the 350, 828, 900, 903 and 907 would be well suited to 24 hour operation.

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