V/Line Incidents/Disruptions

 
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Despite some protest by the local land owner, the site for a major maintenance facility with a scale far larger than we have had before is planned and committed at Waurn Ponds just near the cement works.   There have been discussions with the landowner going back almost 10 years.   It is intended to be the ultimate major maintenance facility for the V'Locity fleet being capable of undertaking the full program of maintenance tasks, cleaning (which will be something new) etc.

I think you will find references to maintenance requirements being code for railcars having insufficient fuel to do the changed assignment.  V/Line devotes inordinate resources tracking the fleet in relation to fuel capacity and range because it has elected not to adopt a policy of refueling the fleet everyday.   It obviously has a program set utilization which is standard practice but then it endeavours to get the maximum range out of the sets before refueling.   Every so often it gets caught and gets beaten up in the media.

That's not to say that many sets are not refueled daily but a lot aren't.   So if yr in ops and the the network gets disrupted, not only do you have to find a train you then have to establish how much fuel its got and then the distance the alterfed working entails and make a call.

It's easy to manage say an N class loco heading out on the evening down to Swan Hill.   You know it will be back in the morning so its not as critical to refuel daily.  But for V'Locities I think daily refueling should be the target so you know each day yr entire fleet is fueled and can basically be redeployed as circumstances change.  V/Line campaigned strongly for standard consists, it needs to exploit that by refueling daily with just a few exceptions.
Trainplanner
'So if yr in ops and the the network gets disrupted, not only do you have to find a train you then have to establish how much fuel its got and then the distance the altered working entails and make a call.'

Surely the above is the job! That is what Train Control (whatever it is called today) is there for.

The point that I was trying to make was that, whilst fully supporting the concept of 'preventative maintenance' (PM) as distinct from 'running requirements' is that PM on a drop dead basis is not necessary. There is, or should always be, some lee-way especially on a system that runs like a shaggy dog most of the time.

One should not run equipment right up to a red line/drop dead/go no further position on a regular basis.

There will be occasions when bustitution becomes necessary but it seems to be the first rather than the last choice so often.

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  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Meanwhile.......a Japanese Rail Operator has grovelled due to a train departing 20 seconds EARLY. Anyone who missed it only had to wait 4 minutes for the next service.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-17/japan-train-apology-for-leaving-20-seconds-early/9161456
  Carnot Minister for Railways

This morning's Up Swan Hill failed just before it got to Bendigo station this morning. Down service then terminated at Bendigo and rescued disabled train.

Double-headed back to Melbourne nearly two hours later than scheduled....

I hope the passengers get a refund.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I hope the passengers get a refund.
"Carnot"
Don't hold your breath.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
"Information displays at Southern Cross Station are currently not working. Please speak to station staff for train information. (14.19)"
Yikes, I hope they get that fixed before the afternoon peak.

BTW I thought about starting a new thread for this topic so @thevinelander could find it easily but decided against at the last minute Laughing

BG
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
"Information displays at Southern Cross Station are currently not working. Please speak to station staff for train information. (14.19)"
Yikes, I hope they get that fixed before the afternoon peak.

BTW I thought about starting a new thread for this topic so @thevinelander could find it easily but decided against at the last minute Laughing

BG
BrentonGolding
Yesterday afternoon was a mess on the Geelong line.

I received the messages with regards to the info displays not working at Southern Cross to get there and have services not leaving from their usual platforms causing me to miss the 14:50 down. In hindsight this was lucky as it terminated at Wyndham Vale due to the boom gate issues at North Shore, dumping it's Geelong commuters on the platform without coach connections and therefore having to catch the "next available" service.

I sat on the 15:10 at platform 3B until 15:30 when it was announced it was cancelled due to the boom gate issues. Everyone who was onboard did the mad dash to platform 16 where it was announced that the 15:30 was delayed due to a points failure at the down end of the platform. We finally got away under crush loading at 15:40.

Along the way we dropped of the usual's and picked up those who were left on platforms at Wyndham Vale, Lara & Corio. We had a further 10 minute delay at Corio whilst waiting for a cross of an up service which terminated on the down platform at North Shore. Finally I arrived into North Geelong over 2 hours after arriving at Southern Cross to catch the 14:50...
  ryleyrail Station Master

"Information displays at Southern Cross Station are currently not working. Please speak to station staff for train information. (14.19)"
Yikes, I hope they get that fixed before the afternoon peak.

BTW I thought about starting a new thread for this topic so @thevinelander could find it easily but decided against at the last minute Laughing

BG
Yesterday afternoon was a mess on the Geelong line.

I received the messages with regards to the info displays not working at Southern Cross to get there and have services not leaving from their usual platforms causing me to miss the 14:50 down. In hindsight this was lucky as it terminated at Wyndham Vale due to the boom gate issues at North Shore, dumping it's Geelong commuters on the platform without coach connections and therefore having to catch the "next available" service.

I sat on the 15:10 at platform 3B until 15:30 when it was announced it was cancelled due to the boom gate issues. Everyone who was onboard did the mad dash to platform 16 where it was announced that the 15:30 was delayed due to a points failure at the down end of the platform. We finally got away under crush loading at 15:40.

Along the way we dropped of the usual's and picked up those who were left on platforms at Wyndham Vale, Lara & Corio. We had a further 10 minute delay at Corio whilst waiting for a cross of an up service which terminated on the down platform at North Shore. Finally I arrived into North Geelong over 2 hours after arriving at Southern Cross to catch the 14:50...
SamTheMan79
That must have been awful considering how overcrowded Geelong line services are normally. By the way, which North Shore level crossing was it, as I recall the one at the Geelong end of the station had works done on it earlier in the year/
  ryleyrail Station Master

"Information displays at Southern Cross Station are currently not working. Please speak to station staff for train information. (14.19)"
Yikes, I hope they get that fixed before the afternoon peak.

BTW I thought about starting a new thread for this topic so @thevinelander could find it easily but decided against at the last minute Laughing

BG
Yesterday afternoon was a mess on the Geelong line.

I received the messages with regards to the info displays not working at Southern Cross to get there and have services not leaving from their usual platforms causing me to miss the 14:50 down. In hindsight this was lucky as it terminated at Wyndham Vale due to the boom gate issues at North Shore, dumping it's Geelong commuters on the platform without coach connections and therefore having to catch the "next available" service.

I sat on the 15:10 at platform 3B until 15:30 when it was announced it was cancelled due to the boom gate issues. Everyone who was onboard did the mad dash to platform 16 where it was announced that the 15:30 was delayed due to a points failure at the down end of the platform. We finally got away under crush loading at 15:40.

Along the way we dropped of the usual's and picked up those who were left on platforms at Wyndham Vale, Lara & Corio. We had a further 10 minute delay at Corio whilst waiting for a cross of an up service which terminated on the down platform at North Shore. Finally I arrived into North Geelong over 2 hours after arriving at Southern Cross to catch the 14:50...
That must have been awful considering how overcrowded Geelong line services are normally. By the way, which North Shore level crossing was it, as I recall the one at the Geelong end of the station had works done on it earlier in the year.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

N472 hauling the Up Swan Hill this afternoon carked it at Woodend. Polly Waffle N475 had to rescue it, and several peak hour services were delayed as a result.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
What can we expect this arvo with the temp going up and up.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Where's WOLO?!?

My V/line message service is running hot (pun intended) with delays today, most to do with Carnot's message above but also that we have Heat Speed Restrictions on the line today.

Doesn't say where, nor does Vline website. Forecast for The Maine today is 34, got to 34, Kyneton got to 34, Gizzy 35.5, Sunbury 35.5, Bendigo may hit 36 although not likely if current conditions are anything to go by. I am sure that I used to get information about which sections the restrictions apply in.

BG
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Boom Gate issues again on the Geelong line this afternoon, this time at South Geelong. But the same as you BG, not a WOLO in sight even though Avalon & Geelong have both hovered around 35 degrees for the last hour. Two weeks ago we had WOLO's enforced between West Werribee & Lara at 34 degrees.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Apparently WOLO was between Ravenswood and Bendigo earlier today.

The 16.25 Up Castlemaine was pretty much on time until we were Red lighted just before Gisborne.

After coming rapidly to a halt before the station we are now being held at Gisborne platform due to Signal issues at Sunbury. Might be a long trip.......

BG
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The signalling drama on the Bendigo line has made a big mess of this evening's services. Heat WOLOs are only a small part of the problem...
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Yep, we are just rolling into Sunbury, already 80+ minutes late, it's going to be close to 2 hours by the time we reach Southern Cross.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Now de-trained at Gisborne so they can hook up the following train to form 1 6 car consist. 150 or so pax have been standing out in the sun for 10 minutes so far due to yet another insane Vline policy.  Not allowed to be on the train while they hook up because a passenger once stubbed his toe or something. What a joke.

BG
BrentonGolding
Serviceton, Albury, Cunderdin, Lithgow, Broadmeadow, Gosford, Tailem Bend and a million other locations were places where engine/consist changes took place all the time back in the days . Passengers (including sleeping car passengers in their night attire) did not have to get out at Serviceton or Albury and hang about on the platform while an engine change took place.

It's a wonder that passengers on trains headed to dead end platforms at Spencer Street are not forced out at North Melbourne 'in case we collide with the dead end at Spencer Street on arrival'.

For over 100 years passenger cars would be docked up at Spencer Street, passengers would join and the loco would then arrive from North Melbourne (or is it West Melbourne now?) Anyway that big brick smoky building where the engines lived! Attach to the loaded train and away we go.

If only the same effort was put into solving problems that do exist instead of searching for problems that don't exist.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Currently on the Down Swan Hill. It took 1 hour to get from Watergardens to Rupertswood. Train now not moving due to signalling meltdown.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Currently on the Down Swan Hill. It took 1 hour to get from Watergardens to Rupertswood. Train now not moving due to signalling meltdown.
Carnot
4.25 Up Castlemaine arrived into Southern Cross at 8.10, 2 hours and 8 minutes late.

And just to add insult to injury my MYKI card has gone over limit, it looks like the system has dedected $31 odd from my account for the privilege.

BG
  N463 Locomotive Driver

4.25 Up Castlemaine arrived into Southern Cross at 8.10, 2 hours and 8 minutes late.
BrentonGolding

See, I told you I was lucky the other week to be "only" 65 minutes late.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much hope of things improving any time soon...


N463
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much hope of things improving any time soon...

N463
N463
Sitting around on a train last evening I had a chance to ponder a few things and talk to a few fellow pax. Quite a few of the people sat around me were returning from the Edith Head exhibition at BAG (the Bendigo Art Gallery).

V/Line promotes travel to BAG on it's website offering package deals.

https://www.vline.com.au/Escape-with-V-Line/Preview-Event-Destination-Details?id=583

I see many of these people taking the 09.14 Down Bendigo service heading to BAG on the train, many are "oldies" and many them haven't caught a train for years. This morning's 3 car set was 3/4 full and at least half of them appeared to be going to the Head exhibition.

Last night's debacle on the Bendigo line was in no way an isolated or freak occurrence.

But what it and other incidents like it do is to make sure many of those people will not take the train next time it is on offer, they will drive. And this is straight from the mouths of fellow passengers on last nights 4.5hr "service" from Bendigo to Southern Cross.

BG
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much hope of things improving any time soon...

N463
Sitting around on a train last evening I had a chance to ponder a few things and talk to a few fellow pax. Quite a few of the people sat around me were returning from the Edith Head exhibition at BAG (the Bendigo Art Gallery).

V/Line promotes travel to BAG on it's website offering package deals.

https://www.vline.com.au/Escape-with-V-Line/Preview-Event-Destination-Details?id=583

I see many of these people taking the 09.14 Down Bendigo service heading to BAG on the train, many are "oldies" and many them haven't caught a train for years. This morning's 3 car set was 3/4 full and at least half of them appeared to be going to the Head exhibition.

Last night's debacle on the Bendigo line was in no way an isolated or freak occurrence.

But what it and other incidents like it do is to make sure many of those people will not take the train next time it is on offer, they will drive. And this is straight from the mouths of fellow passengers on last nights 4.5hr "service" from Bendigo to Southern Cross.

BG
BrentonGolding
Lucky that the airconditioning didn't fail or train run out of fuel while you were waiting.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
I've said it before across numerous threads.   Take the infrastructure management function and network control off V/Line and place it with an agency or contractor that specializes in managing and maintaining infrastructure like the arrangement NSW ghas with John Holland or similar.   V/Line is a passenger operator and needs to focus on that.   There are way, way too many signalling and infrastructure related incidents on the V/Line network relative to the very substantial investment that has gone into the track from RFR days right through to now.  We know there was and in some areas still is decades of under investment so one doesn't blame V/Line for that but the key mainlines from Melbourne on the 5 principal rail corridors have had the investment but they suffer from not having the high standard of focus and attention critical for running high levels of reliability.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

I've said it before across numerous threads.   Take the infrastructure management function and network control off V/Line and place it with an agency or contractor that specializes in managing and maintaining infrastructure like the arrangement NSW ghas with John Holland or similar.   V/Line is a passenger operator and needs to focus on that.   There are way, way too many signalling and infrastructure related incidents on the V/Line network relative to the very substantial investment that has gone into the track from RFR days right through to now.  We know there was and in some areas still is decades of under investment so one doesn't blame V/Line for that but the key mainlines from Melbourne on the 5 principal rail corridors have had the investment but they suffer from not having the high standard of focus and attention critical for running high levels of reliability.
Trainplanner
I hear what you are saying, however the complication is at many levels and the baby is lost with the bath water.  The focus on a JH solution will do little in an environment where the client is clueless and it would be a long bow to throw the current woes at the maintenance delivery aspects of V/Line.

I would suggest the greatest woes are with the Government departments (PTV, Infrastructure) and the lost of ownership/asset management to be the informed and performing client.  Then throw in the political cycle.   The line of responsibility is so far from clear that its probably a wonder that any trains run at all.   There is nothing about the Victorian transport culture, no matter what level, that one could call inspiring or world class in my opinion.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I've said it before across numerous threads.   Take the infrastructure management function and network control off V/Line and place it with an agency or contractor that specializes in managing and maintaining infrastructure like the arrangement NSW has with John Holland or similar.
Trainplanner

I believe V/Line outsourced some track maintenance to ARTC a few years ago which has lower operating and riding standards or in ARTC speak (fit-for-purpose) standards and some of the bumps and bangs experienced in VLocity trains at 160KPH are a testament to that.

Mike.
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
This morning's up Albury is cancelled - "train fault". This after no trains Friday night, Saturday or Sunday morning because of  inclement weather.

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