New train station names announced for Metro Tunnel

 

News article: New train station names announced for Metro Tunnel

There will be no Dustin Martin or Joan Kirner station in Melbourne as a public competition to name the Metro Tunnel railway stops largely came down to one thing: location, location, location.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
North Melbourne station becomes West Melbourne?  Not sure about that one.

Arden becomes North Melbourne.

Parkville makes sense.

I like the idea of Anzac station.

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
North Melbourne station becomes West Melbourne?  Not sure about that one.

Arden becomes North Melbourne.

Parkville makes sense.

I like the idea of Anzac station.

New train station names announced for Metro Tunnel
bevans
Arden = North Melbourne
and
North Melbourne = West Melbourne

This is just change for the sake of it like Spencer Street = Southern Cross.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The current North Melbourne station is located in West Melbourne, so that makes sense from a purely geographical approach.

But is a purely geographical approach sensible to normal people who aren't geographers?

With the station having been there and named that for 160 years, I think the ideal solution for that would actually have been to keep the station name and instead alter the boundaries of the suburbs so the city side of West Melbourne would become part of North Melbourne.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Arden = North Melbourne
and
North Melbourne = West Melbourne

This is just change for the sake of it like Spencer Street = Southern Cross.
YM-Mundrabilla
Not sure about that YM, from wikipedia which I know is not the most reliable of sources

The [color=#faa700][size=2][font=sans-serif]North Melbourne railway station[/font][/size][/color] is actually located in West Melbourne, opposite the Railway Hotel on Ireland Street.

BG
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
So perhaps they should make the change for the existing North Melbourne now, so as to give people some time to get used to the change.

I wonder how much that change will cost? You can bet well over $1M.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I must say I was concerned when it was announced that these station names where going to be left for the public to decide on, its the sort of thing the public don't have a good record on. At least the powers that be have resisted the urge to follow some of the populist suggestions and have stuck to choices that will not age.

I know changing the name of stations isn't exactly popular, but my initial reaction was that it makes sense in this case.

This isn't like renaming Spencer St to Southern Cross, that never actually served a purpose. At least these names will properly reflect the areas that their respective stations serve. Anyhow, it isn't as if it hasn't been done before, the list of Melbourne suburban stations that have had their names changed is a pretty long list, so one more isn't really an issue.

So we will have:
North Melbourne
Parkville
State Library
Town Hall
ANZAC
and the existing North Melbourne will become West Melbourne.

Overall good choices in my opinion.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
So perhaps they should make the change for the existing North Melbourne now, so as to give people some time to get used to the change.

I wonder how much that change will cost? You can bet well over $1M.
mikesyd
Nothing but spare change compared with the billions being spent on the tunnel.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Arden = North Melbourne
and
North Melbourne = West Melbourne

This is just change for the sake of it like Spencer Street = Southern Cross.
Not sure about that YM, from wikipedia which I know is not the most reliable of sources

The [color=#faa700][size=2][font=sans-serif]North Melbourne railway station[/font][/size][/color] is actually located in West Melbourne, opposite the Railway Hotel on Ireland Street.

BG
BrentonGolding
Agreed, but who cares?
It's been North Melbourne for ~ 150 years. It's just change for the sake of it! It's activity as a substitute for achievement.
Who can imagine the number of instructions, drawings, maps, timetables, signal diagrams and whatever to be amended? All because some dopey 'do gooder' had a bright idea.
Put the money into fixing the Metro goat track between Spencer Street and North Melbourne instead.
Not keen on two word names either. I know that they exist but not necessary in the case of 'State Library' or 'Town Hall'. Town Hall is of course a very original and unique choice for a station name.
  VicRailNews Station Master

Just stupid idea to rename North Melbourne which is a large hub.

This is not the same as renaming Spencer Street which has not been moved to another station.  This will cause mass confusion.
  stooge spark Chief Train Controller

Location: My House
The only good name is Parkville, the utter ones are utter rubbish.
As mentioned, North Melbourne is already an established station and didn't need to be moved.
State Library is not near the library
Town hall is too vague
And Anzac doesn't match the location all too well
Heres what they should've been named
Arden
Parkville
Melbourne RMIT
Collins street
Domain Interchange
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
I also think it's a bit daft (and a waste of money to rename North Melb to West Melb, but people will get used to it and state governments (of both flavours) waste more money than that on pointless and stupid things every year.

However the name Anzac sounds more like a silly, populist, political stunt, just like Southern Cross does. For me, it doesn't pass "the sniff test". Call it anything that's geographically descriptive; Domain, Shrine, St. Kilda Rd., even call it "3004", but not a manipulative, feel good, populist name like Anzac.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
agreed @Bogong sounds like a patriotic name on the Pyongyang Metro (an Aus version)
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

It’s stretching it a bit but Anzac Avenue (spelt Anzac) is at the northern end of the proposed station originally named Domain. Shrine or Domain would have been much better. The North Melbourne/West Melbourne change will create unnecessary confusion and expense. The original name Arden relates to the area; Arden Street, North Melbourne’s Arden Street AFL football ground, the proposed Macauley/Arden development of the area, etc
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

So we will have:
North Melbourne
Parkville
State Library
Town Hall
ANZAC
and the existing North Melbourne will become West Melbourne.

Overall good choices in my opinion.
Gman_86
While not perfect, for the most part I was relieved, they could have been much worse! Rolling Eyes
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I don't really like the idea of the Anzac station given its location beneath Domain Interchange. Also Sate Library and Town Hall should be Melbourne Central and Flinders Street respectively given the stations they connect to.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I also think it's a bit daft (and a waste of money to rename North Melb to West Melb, but people will get used to it and state governments (of both flavours) waste more money than that on pointless and stupid things every year.

However the name Anzac sounds more like a silly, populist, political stunt, just like Southern Cross does. For me, it doesn't pass "the sniff test". Call it anything that's geographically descriptive; Domain, Shrine, St. Kilda Rd., even call it "3004", but not a manipulative, feel good, populist name like Anzac.
Bogong
Domain would have been the correct choice, it will be too confusing: If they wanted a reference to the Shrine they should have called it Shrine of Remembrance. Hopefully the change their minds about that one. Also unsure about changing North Melbourne to West Melbourne although personally I've always wondered why it wasn't originally called "west" given the geographical location.
  kapow Junior Train Controller

The only good name is Parkville, the utter ones are utter rubbish.
As mentioned, North Melbourne is already an established station and didn't need to be moved.
State Library is not near the library
Town hall is too vague
And Anzac doesn't match the location all too well
Heres what they should've been named
Arden
Parkville
Melbourne RMIT
Collins street
Domain Interchange
stooge spark
How is State Library not near the Library? By that logic Flinders Street is not near Flinders Street as it's not actually right on top of the street
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

One of my suggestions actually was taken seriously. That changing North Melbourne idea I put as a suggestion and also said on here. Does that mean I am able to win a prize after a draw.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
One of my suggestions actually was taken seriously. That changing North Melbourne idea I put as a suggestion and also said on here. Does that mean I am able to win a prize after a draw.
James974
You should have to pay for the chaos that will undoubtedly result. Crying or Very sad
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Renaming of existing stations, with all the ramifications for timetables etc., has been done before.  Not only Spencer Street, but also Museum to Melbourne Central, and no doubt there are other examples as well.  

Station names need to have some geographical reference (even if not strictly accurate), which is especially useful for visitors who may be unfamiliar with Melbourne, so ANZAC is not a good name.  A visitor from overseas, with no or limited knowledge of our military traditions and history, would have no idea of where that station is actually located - unless they looked at a map, but even then it would not mean much.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I don't really like the idea of the Anzac station given its location beneath Domain Interchange. Also Sate Library and Town Hall should be Melbourne Central and Flinders Street respectively given the stations they connect to.
railblogger

You can't have different, though adjacent stations sharing the same names....chaos will inevitably ensue.

Moreover...don't forget punters that Melbourne Central was once called MUSEUM.

Furthermore, Southern Cross, once Spencer Street was originally called Batman's Hill...so it's all relative.

Mike.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I don't really like the idea of the Anzac station given its location beneath Domain Interchange. Also Sate Library and Town Hall should be Melbourne Central and Flinders Street respectively given the stations they connect to.

You can't have different, though adjacent stations sharing the same names....chaos will inevitably ensue.

Moreover...don't forget punters that Melbourne Central was once called MUSEUM.

Furthermore, Southern Cross, once Spencer Street was originally called Batman's Hill...so it's all relative.

Mike.
The Vinelander
There's no reason why they can't be integrated into the existing stations given that they are building direct connections between them.
  comet Locomotive Driver

Location: Melbourne
I can't see what all the fuss about North Melbourne/West Melbourne is all about. Commuters will get used to it VERY quickly...we are not all dumb as many contributors on this forum seem to think.
All the names are OK with me..except ANZAC....which just seems a goofy, daft,  politically correct name for a location which logically would be better remaining as DOMAIN. Even Shrine would be better than ANZAC.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
I'm glad they didn't go with StationMcStationface like with that Sydney ferry.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
It seems that most of us agree that Anzac is a shocker of a name, but we have many years before it opens and hopefully the pollys can be convinced to change it to something less tacky and populist and more sensibly descriptive before it opens.

"State Library" also seems a little awkward with just a few too many syllables. If we think about the London Tube, the parent of all suburban rail systems, they have a knack for one word descriptors where the main thing of it's type is located: Thus:
  • Bank ... for Bank of England
  • Monument ... for Great Fire of London monument
  • Temple ... for the Templar Church and court district
  • Angel ... for The Angel Islington, etc.*
No one confuses Bank station with their local bank branch, No one confuses the London Monument with any other monument, etc. People are not that dumb.

So rather than have a new "State Library" station in Melbourne, surely just "Library" would be adequate? After all. it's very unlikely that an elderly woman will confuse it with the location of her local council run library, (assuming they still exist in 10 years, as even now they're rather obsolete.)

All things being equal we should have a preference for snappy and brief station names that are geographically descriptive.

* The exception for brevity on the Tube map is a doozy though, Cutty Sark for Maritime Greenwich, surely one of the longest and most verbose suburban station names anywhere.

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