SDS Models web update mk2

 
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

All one can say is if a manufacturer is that precious and wants only good things said about them then it might be better if they never made any models. I don't mean any specific manufacturer here though but there will always be critism's of models as no model is ever perfect in the first place! Submitting a model to Model Railroader for instance they over a model to review it with a fine tooth comb and if something is not right they point it out. That way the manufacturer can if possible correct it or later get a better scale model made. Far too many people today all want a glowing response to something when really a truthful look at the same thing can  and does result in something different. EBay is a classic example of this put that what ever you bopught was not packed properly and was damaged in transit or something and the person who put up the original sale will remove a so called negative response. What is negative about it if it is the truth, are we that wrapped in cotton wool these days that no one wants to hear the truth any more. Sad if that is the case and I doubt very much even if I said the model was poor whether it would affect sales of anything one person in 17m or more.

I was not having a go at SDS by the way, the original project was an Austrains project and SDS simply inherited it along with all the other ex Austrains stuff. But back when Austrains first announced their first ever SAR model it was also a bit of a shock in what they chose to make as most SAR modellers where either BG modellers or NG modellers with a few SG modellers in the pot and it is still a bit like here!.

The model itself is nice, now that it has eventually been bought out by SDS. But they only have inherited the model from elsewhere not gone and got it made from the ground up as all that would have been done by Austrains. Austrains I think had it put on the back burner  several times till other models they had got made and the great Chinese factory game of Chinese Checkers was resolved. So I am not putting SDS down about eventually getting it out, more having a go at Austrains for choosing it in the first place really.

At the time it was first announce by Austrain's it was seen as a bit of a weird choice even by modelers here, some would want them yes, but most of the rest modeled SAR as it was and most models where of local prototype stations. I have seen plenty of SAR modeled stations for the Southline, North BG lines or branches over the years as I have also seen quite a few NG ones as well, but actual full standard gauge stations or layouts seem to be the odd one out here as most of the interesting ones to model where quite large and not able to be fitted into a normal shed or room easily. Really unless you are modelling Pt Pirie, Peterborough or Broken Hill the stations that were between them were whistle stops really on the SG line. All three are way to big to model though and even if you compress them you still have to leave a heck of a lot out. Yes I have seen one SG model railway layout by a South Australian, but the station modeled was completely fictitious but well done just the same!

Of all the standard gauge rollingstock that SAR had, why did Austrains choose the SOC wagon to test the water in the first place, it does seem a odd choice does it not, especially if you want to do other SAR model.  If it flopped a bit and every manufacturer at some time has had a flop of a model, then it would simply prove that SAR models were not viable, but SAR models do sell as Orient Express, Auscision and others have proved! There were plenty of others that actually made it on to BG or interstate that could and can still can be made!

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  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

"Another wagon we've been developing for 2018 is the WAGR WGX open wagon. This model will feature both internal and external detail of the doors and end mouldings, it'll also feature a etched stainless steel floor overlay to represent the chequer plate flooring." - via https://www.facebook.com/SdsModels/
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

"The first Engineering prototype of our 81 class arrived recently, we are extremely delighted with the attention to detail our guys paid to our design specification. We have carried over the diecast metal chassis, bogie gear tower and bogie sideframes from the Austrains model. To ensure speed compatability and haulage capability, with earlier Austrains 81 and G class, we've even sourced the same can motor that was used by Austrains." - via https://www.facebook.com/SdsModels/
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

"The latest version of VR FQX container flat is arriving soon. Here is a production model fitted with some of our new 20' railway containers." - via https://www.facebook.com/SdsModels/
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

Some more samples.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

RQTY Sample

WGX sample.


"November NEW arrivals include the VR QMX/VQFX container flat, the NRC RQTY container flat and the balance of our VR FQX with lashing rail. All these models utilise the centre beam and brake components from our VR/SAR FQX range. These will be followed by the WAGR WGX open wagon." - https://www.facebook.com/SdsModels/
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


"A three car set from our Austrains NEO End Platform car range. Some other cars we are working on, are the H.W. Rice P/L and Westinghouse advertising series. Recently we viewed the first few pieces of modified and upgraded Austrains tooling from this project and we are expecting new running samples late December." - via https://www.facebook.com/SdsModels/
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
L / D / NGA / NGB / MSL / VSL  
20' F
oot Containers

http://www.sdsmodels.com.au/20foot1.htm
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Are the Chinese offering a 10 for 1 deal on containers this year??

Seriously it seems like that's all that coming out at the moment!
  brissim Chief Train Controller

As a modeler of the 80s/early 90s period, what I'd love to see is some more general 20ft containers. Yes some of these coming releases from SDS would be suitable for the 80s but we could do with some more 20 footers to cover this period. I've a number of 60ft container wagons just hanging out for some 20ft containers to complete the loading.

Tony
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Athearn is releasing 1980s era containers next month that would be perfect to run alongside SDS containers. Liveries include SSI and ANZ lines. Details at http://www.athearn.com/newsletter/082616/04_RTR_20ft_Corrugated_w-Panel_082616.pdf

  brissim Chief Train Controller

Thanks for that information and link PJ - I'll keep an eye out for them. There's a few there applicable for Australian railways.

Tony
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


WGX and related wagons info/pricing added http://sdsmodels.com.au/wgx.htm

RQTY & QMX container wagon pages also added http://sdsmodels.com.au/xprod.htm
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

"Auspower" - a new addition to the SDS stable. http://sdsmodels.com.au/aplprod.htm
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga

"Auspower" - a new addition to the SDS stable. http://sdsmodels.com.au/aplprod.htm
Poath Junction
Golly Gee Gosh!!

Has got to be the longest wait ever for an "unannounced model"
Must admit, I thought the other guys were going to do it, as I think most others thought too.
Lets hope its not duplicated, as that's always a bit of a waste, isn't it? SDS can do it as well or better than anyone else, so not likely to gain by duplication. Thanks to Steve and the SDS team Very Happy
Cheers
Rod
Edit
Sorry, I did look for more info, but missed it Sad  Really sad that a new die was not to be struck.  I will not be interested in any more Neo Austrains C's. Still waiting for a new build then Sad
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Considering its appears to be a a re run of old Austrains tooling with a fantasy livery in the form of the Freight Australia Version.

Only the VR and VLine versions will be anything close to being prototypical models.

All modern rebuilt C class C502-C510 have no long end walkway as body was extended a toilet added and various other modifications made.

Good to see a cheaper loco with a good mechanism on the market from the Auspower range as not everyone can start with top of the line expensive loco.

The fact that they are not investing any money into re tooling C class keeps costs down and also points to their knowledge that a far more detailed C class that will have tooling variations to suit eras and paint liveries is on the way from another manufacturer that starts with A

There will be duplication of the C class because this old Austrains tooling in its unchanged format is not prototypical for any C class model of the last 20 or so years in service with private owners. Some are happy with it but others want a more detailed and more accurate model with modifications era specific applied.

There is demand for these modern versions of the C class and it will be satisfied.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


"Our next ready to run locomotive model will the Auspower 3000hp mainline diesel.
This model is based upon the old Austrains C class tooling, two upgrades have been effected. The model is now fitted with an LED headlight and the can motor is shared with our RTR NR class model.
The model is offered in many liveries and not all are prototypically correct, but they do look good.
The price point is aimed at making affordable Australian outline models. Many of the older Austrains range are well suited for future release under the Auspower brand.
These four are exclusive to Australian Modeller." - via https://www.facebook.com/SdsModels/
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Hmmmm.

Makes me wonder (other than prototypical correctness) why you would bother with a double up on the C now, unless you envisage selling an absolute shed load of them when your version arrives??

We've seen examples of Austrains stuff being done by someone else (arguably to a higher standard) reflecting whats expected in HO models these days. Most of this stems from the time gap of the original Austrains release, and in the case of the C class being pretty much 20yrs.

So in 20yrs we've gone from Austrains, to Austrains Basix (the admission it was nowhere near the bar expected anymore) to Auspower where that represents a new motor and LEDs....... Considering how much info is on the web re how to DCC a C class, It'd be interesting to hear from an expert source what the costs associated with a tooling variation for a lighter diecast frame to allow a speaker to be fitted and then a DCC board. Id expect this to be a significant cost??

Additionally it'd also be interesting to hear from those who'd love a C class in any of the SSR liveries, as to whether this is a model they'd buy or, NO I'll wait for the bells and whistles please? Also interesting that they were granted permission to use the SSR liveries in light of a possible double up.

Personally, I'm still waiting for the revolution of this model, not the evolution. Further, the comment that other older Austrains are also suitable for Auspower release now make me wish (and is hopefully a green light) for someone else to do the T class to the standard the P class is.

As far as entry price point, what do we see that as anyway?? $250? Bells and whistles (DCC ready) would soon be $350. So for $100 less for SDS, I'd imagine they expect to sell quite a few?

Just my thoughts. They do look nice despite as they say, not being prototypically correct.

Regards
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

Well I look at it this way yes they might not be true dead scale models the later private owner ones that is but until something better comes along they are you only real chance of getting any C class at the moment. And if you want to add the later end toilet extension to them it is not that hard to do really. But even if you don't  do any work on them at all they are still a good investment though. In the future when a better model comes out you can then use the mechs for other locomotives under a kit or ready bought model. I bought at least a dozen or more Austrain's Basix C class models simply to use under other loco bodies I had, such as Powerline where the mech was NBG to start with. Repowered I can now use them rather than just have them sit static on the layout as previously.

Might be not much call for doing things like this lately but your favourite kit loco or something gives up the ghost at least you have something to repower it  with if needed at a reasonable cost. If the bodies are not wanted they can always be sold on Ebay or here or someplace to get back some of the money spent on them.

I do have to admit they do look nice though and saves a lot of trouble repainting them and decalling them. I did a SSR black and yellow C class a long while ago and it took several weeks to get it all done, and now they go and bring it out RTR. I could just scream!

Also not every new comer to model railroading, either junior or an adult wants all the bells and whistles etc on a model, a lot will accept near enough to what they can see at times!
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

Hmmmm.

Makes me wonder (other than prototypical correctness) why you would bother with a double up on the C now, unless you envisage selling an absolute shed load of them when your version arrives??

We've seen examples of Austrains stuff being done by someone else (arguably to a higher standard) reflecting whats expected in HO models these days. Most of this stems from the time gap of the original Austrains release, and in the case of the C class being pretty much 20yrs.

So in 20yrs we've gone from Austrains, to Austrains Basix (the admission it was nowhere near the bar expected anymore) to Auspower where that represents a new motor and LEDs....... Considering how much info is on the web re how to DCC a C class, It'd be interesting to hear from an expert source what the costs associated with a tooling variation for a lighter diecast frame to allow a speaker to be fitted and then a DCC board. Id expect this to be a significant cost??

Additionally it'd also be interesting to hear from those who'd love a C class in any of the SSR liveries, as to whether this is a model they'd buy or, NO I'll wait for the bells and whistles please? Also interesting that they were granted permission to use the SSR liveries in light of a possible double up.

Personally, I'm still waiting for the revolution of this model, not the evolution. Further, the comment that other older Austrains are also suitable for Auspower release now make me wish (and is hopefully a green light) for someone else to do the T class to the standard the P class is.

As far as entry price point, what do we see that as anyway?? $250? Bells and whistles (DCC ready) would soon be $350. So for $100 less for SDS, I'd imagine they expect to sell quite a few?

Just my thoughts. They do look nice despite as they say, not being prototypically correct.

Regards
davesvline

Hmmm, try $198...

Bargain

Paul
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


Lots of news updates posted today to http://sdsmodels.com.au/latenews.htm including the C class product page with livery and pricing info
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Whilst I personally have little interest in these models; I do think they are a great way of encouraging beginners into the hobby.

They will even offer a good basis for some kit bashing for those inclined.

Cheers,
-Mitch
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop

Additionally it'd also be interesting to hear from those who'd love a C class in any of the SSR liveries, as to whether this is a model they'd buy or, NO I'll wait for the bells and whistles please? Also interesting that they were granted permission to use the SSR liveries in light of a possible double up.


Just my thoughts. They do look nice despite as they say, not being prototypically correct.

Regards
davesvline

Fine print says that the SSR livery C class models are exclusive to "Australian Modeller" cough, cough  Auscision / SSR

Perhaps this is how they (SDS) were granted permission to use the SSR likeness.....

Actually it says it twice on the SDS website and not in fine print

Regards,

Catchpoint
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner


Additionally it'd also be interesting to hear from those who'd love a C class in any of the SSR liveries, as to whether this is a model they'd buy or, NO I'll wait for the bells and whistles please? Also interesting that they were granted permission to use the SSR liveries in light of a possible double up.


Just my thoughts. They do look nice despite as they say, not being prototypically correct.

Regards
Fine print says that the SSR livery C class models are exclusive to "Australian Modeller" cough, cough  Auscision / SSR

Perhaps this is how they (SDS) were granted permission to use the SSR likeness.....

Actually it says it twice on the SDS website and not in fine print

Regards,

Catchpoint
catchpoint
Nothing wrong with that really at least you not have to join some paid type of club thing to get them though. Unlike one other manufacturer did and then the opposition that also did the same model and livery released it as a standard livery in their range. And cheaper as well.
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I just hope they find a way to fit a dcc socket in there.  It would be crazy for a 2018 release / rerelease to require metalworking to fit a decoder in like the old ones.

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