Commonwealth Railways NJ class

 
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

Just a quick question or two.

How were these units delivered to SA from Clyde?

Were they moved on Freight/Transfer type bogies or were they fitted with Standard Gauge Flexicoil Bogies to Albury then Broad Gauge for the remainder of their journey to SA?
Thanks.

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  allan Chief Commissioner

Without being certain, I'd be surprised if these locos were not delivered via Broken Hill. That way it would have been standard gauge to Pt Augusta, or even Marree. The CLs and NTs were delivered through Broken Hill.
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

Allan
Thanks for that and i thought similar.
Another Question
Did they do load trials in NSW?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
According to https://www.railpage.com.au/locos/nj-class these were introduced in 1971?

I also really like this photo https://www.railpage.com.au/image?provider=flickr&photo_id=7148005765
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

According to https://www.railpage.com.au/locos/nj-class these were introduced in 1971?

I also really like this photo https://www.railpage.com.au/image?provider=flickr&photo_id=7148005765
bevans
Bevans thanks for that, although Wiki has much more in the way of details,RP does not even list that only 4 of the class of 6 now exist with the other 2 having been exported to South Africa.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Just looked at the loco details which ones were exported ?

Agree is a good photo of the old Ghan.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Commonwealth%20Railways%20NJ%20class&title=Special%3ASearch
Clyde Goodwin2
Wiki is so accurate that it cannot even get the name of the railway for which CR ordered the NJs correct. Sad

Central Australia Railway not Central Australian Railway.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Just looked at the loco details which ones were exported ?

Agree is a good photo of the old Ghan.
freightgate
The two in the Wikipedia photograph.

Peter
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Looks like 1605-1602. I will place comments in the loco section.
  Dangersdan707 Train Controller

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Do You Guys think the PRR will get one in the future?
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

Do You Guys think the PRR will get one in the future?
Dangersdan707
With luck when they are withdrawn at some point in the future hopefully they will.
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

1602/1605 currently stored in AR&TS's compound at the old Pretoria Steelworks
25°46'05.18" S  28°07'42.84" E

Were not issued with a SA second hand goods import permit. Let into the country under license, to be either rebuilt and exported, or scrapped
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
1602/1605 currently stored in AR&TS's compound at the old Pretoria Steelworks
25°46'05.18" S  28°07'42.84" E

Were not issued with a SA second hand goods import permit. Let into the country under license, to be either rebuilt and exported, or scrapped
jmt

Had a look at https://www.railpage.com.au/locos/1600-class and the database seems correct.
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Nice how they didn't have the foresight to build double ended cabs.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Nice how they didn't have the foresight to build double ended cabs.
Junction box
No need for double ended locos on the Central Australia Railway.
The NSUs usually ran in pairs although the NTs and NJs mostly ran singly. There was a balloon loop at Marree and a triangle/turntable at Alice Springs so little or no benefit.
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

Nice how they didn't have the foresight to build double ended cabs.
Junction box
Considering Most of the CR/ANR loco fleet were single ended i fail to see what your point is,I am pretty sure their only Double cab units were the BL and AL classes
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
We still have not answered the original question as to how the NJs got to Port Augusta.
I think that we can assume they came via Broken Hill but did they haul trains, run light engine or were they hauled on transfer bogies?
As far as I can recall they didn't do anything 'spectacular' like go via Quorn (NTs were the last) or come via Melbourne like the GMs, 830s and 930s.
  allan Chief Commissioner

Truth is, they went under the radar! South Australians took little notice of the standard gauge track. The event was not recorded in "The Recorder", nor in Monte Luke's book, nor on Comrails. My presumption is that they were on tranfer bogies, but evidence is lacking.
  M636C Minister for Railways

We still have not answered the original question as to how the NJs got to Port Augusta.
I think that we can assume they came via Broken Hill but did they haul trains, run light engine or were they hauled on transfer bogies?
As far as I can recall they didn't do anything 'spectacular' like go via Quorn (NTs were the last) or come via Melbourne like the GMs, 830s and 930s.
YM-Mundrabilla
Clyde Engineering used photos of the NJs on carrying bogies, carefully darkened to conceal this, in their publicity.

I don't believe that there ever were any standard gauge bogies of that pattern.

So I'd expect that the bogies were fitted in Port Augusta and the locomotives went to Marree on Q1966.

Peter
  TW10 Junior Train Controller

Location: Anywhere in Scandi
We still have not answered the original question as to how the NJs got to Port Augusta.
I think that we can assume they came via Broken Hill but did they haul trains, run light engine or were they hauled on transfer bogies?
As far as I can recall they didn't do anything 'spectacular' like go via Quorn (NTs were the last) or come via Melbourne like the GMs, 830s and 930s.
YM-Mundrabilla
From NSW Digest Sept 1971:

"Foreign" engines sighted at Bathurst included 'NJ3 (C.R.) included in No 99 on 21/7 and CL 13
(C.R.) which worked No. 261 on 10/8.

So, most likely on transfer bogies to PA via Broken Hill.

NJ1 was named Ben Chifley at Bathurst, - Railway Transportation. Probably on its delivery run.
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

THANKS all
We seem to slowly be cracking the mystery of their deliveries.
  DJPeters Junior Train Controller

Just a quick question or two.

How were these units delivered to SA from Clyde?

Were they moved on Freight/Transfer type bogies or were they fitted with Standard Gauge Flexicoil Bogies to Albury then Broad Gauge for the remainder of their journey to SA?
Thanks.
Clyde Goodwin2
The bogies under these locomotives were a shorter version of the ones on Standard Gauge or Broad gauge and so a normal Flexicoil truck would not fit under the locomotive and I doubt very much that Clyde would build one or maybe two SG bogies especially for them since they would have no use for these bogies after the last loco was built. They were very light construction compared to their larger gauge brethren so I would assume like Allan said they were transported on freight type bogies probably at the rear of a train due to their lighter than normal construction. If a standard gauge set had been provided with them then CR would have used them on the official acceptance run like they did with the NSU's.

The only reason the NSU's got a standard gauge set of bogies with the locomotives is that there was no where in Britain to test run them on NG  so a set of SG bogies was made to run them on BR tracks for testing them.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I have a very vague recollection of seeing an NJ on four wheel freight bogies somewhere at sometime but no idea of when or where.

I doubt that the locos would be 'all that near' the rear of their delivery freight train as they would be unbraked and therefore in advance of the retention block plus whatever else was deemed necessary to compensate for their unbraked condition.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I have a very vague recollection of seeing an NJ on four wheel freight bogies somewhere at sometime but no idea of when or where. Some transit bolster would, presumably, also be necessary to compensate for NG to SG coupler heights.

I doubt that the locos would be 'all that near' the rear of their delivery freight train as they would be unbraked and therefore in advance of the retention block plus whatever else was deemed necessary for normal braking braking purposes.

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