Train driving and ethusiasm

 
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Is it true that railfans are a higher portion of train drivers that, for example, automotive enthusiasts are a portion of those licenced to driver manually streered vehicles (M.S.V).
Are train drivers (always proffessional) more likely to be more overtly interested in rail safeworking procedures than M.S.V drivers, especially ones in the non-professional segment.

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  theanimal Deputy Commissioner

Is it true that railfans are a higher portion of train drivers that, for example, automotive enthusiasts are a portion of those licenced to driver manually streered vehicles (M.S.V).
Are train drivers (always proffessional) more likely to be more overtly interested in rail safeworking procedures than M.S.V drivers, especially ones in the non-professional segment.
Myrtone
Would you mind rewriting that in English please?
  7334 Chief Commissioner

Location: In the workshop wondering why I started 7334 in the first place
Is it true that railfans are a higher portion of train drivers that, for example, automotive enthusiasts are a portion of those licenced to driver manually streered vehicles (M.S.V).
Are train drivers (always proffessional) more likely to be more overtly interested in rail safeworking procedures than M.S.V drivers, especially ones in the non-professional segment.
Myrtone
To my way of thinking there are two fundamental flaws in the question.

The first is referring to a car as a manually steered vehicle when there is to all intents and purposes no other kind of car available to the general population.

The second is that IF there is in fact a higher proportion of rail enthusiasts in the train driver occupation than there is motoring enthusiasts among the general car driver population it might have something to do with the fact that while most people find being able to drive a car virtually essential to function in society there is not the same imperative in being able to drive a train.  In other word being able to drive a train is optional while driving a car is much less so.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Not to mention that getting a car licence involves driving Mum and/or Dad to the shops once a week for a few months whereas becoming a train driver takes years of full time work.

Interestingly young people now are apparently not getting their license at the rate that previous generations did. There are many reasons sighted for this, could one be that car driving isn't as enjoyable as it once was? Stuck in traffic for hours in your UJC (uniform Japanese car) is hardly synonymous with the freedom once associated with driving your very own Holden!

Another reason could be that getting a car licence takes much longer than it used to (a bit like becoming a train driver!)

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  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

It is a Job most Rail workers are there for the Money and a bit of being a train fan.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
It is a Job most Rail workers are there for the Money and a bit of being a train fan.
Clyde Goodwin2
There was also a level of Comradeship and job satisfaction as well but I don't know if that still exists today.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Is it true that railfans are a higher portion of train drivers that, for example, automotive enthusiasts are a portion of those licenced to driver manually streered vehicles (M.S.V).
Are train drivers (always proffessional) more likely to be more overtly interested in rail safeworking procedures than M.S.V drivers, especially ones in the non-professional segment.
Would you mind rewriting that in English please?
theanimal
Once upon a time, that sort of thing was confined to the school holidays. Now we have freightgate and Myrtone all the time.
  theanimal Deputy Commissioner

Is it true that railfans are a higher portion of train drivers that, for example, automotive enthusiasts are a portion of those licenced to driver manually streered vehicles (M.S.V).
Are train drivers (always proffessional) more likely to be more overtly interested in rail safeworking procedures than M.S.V drivers, especially ones in the non-professional segment.
Would you mind rewriting that in English please?
Once upon a time, that sort of thing was confined to the school holidays. Now we have freightgate and Myrtone all the time.
justapassenger
Oh yeah
  fzr560 Train Controller

Did someone mention euthanasia for train drivers?? Where do I sign??Very Happy


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  HardWorkingMan Chief Commissioner

Location: Echuca
why doe Myrtone's original post make me think he must be related to Sir Humphrey Appleby? Smile
  Clyde Goodwin2 Chief Train Controller

why doe Myrtone's original post make me think he must be related to Sir Humphrey Appleby? Smile
HardWorkingMan
Probably because he uses lots and lots of words in every post yet never makes any sense at all and refuses to listen to others points of view,pretty much like a couple of others on RP,lots of words on every topic.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
The first is referring to a car as a manually steered vehicle when there is to all intents and purposes no other kind of car available to the general population.
7334

But other kinds of manually steered vehicle are. Think of bicycles, motorcycles, buses, trucks and tractors.

The second is that IF there is in fact a higher proportion of rail enthusiasts in the train driver occupation than there is motoring enthusiasts among the general car driver population it might have something to do with the fact that while most people find being able to drive a car virtually essential to function in society there is not the same imperative in being able to drive a train.  In other word being able to drive a train is optional while driving a car is much less so.
7334

The driver of a train, like the driver of a bus or a taxi, for example, has a very different role to the driver of a private car. Cars are means of transport for those driving them, locomotives and motor coaches are not.
  Lockspike Chief Train Controller

It is a Job most Rail workers are there for the Money and a bit of being a train fan.
There was also a level of Comradeship and job satisfaction as well but I don't know if that still exists today.
YM-Mundrabilla
There were elements of both; most if questioned denied any interest and stated it was just a job. However those same people would go above and beyond when the occasion demanded it. I've seen men give sustained and sterling performance in terrible conditions during emergencies, sometimes to the extent of barely remaining on their feet due to fatigue.
Revealing an interest in railways would lead to a bit of ridicule at times.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
It is a Job most Rail workers are there for the Money and a bit of being a train fan.
There was also a level of Comradeship and job satisfaction as well but I don't know if that still exists today.
There were elements of both; most if questioned denied any interest and stated it was just a job. However those same people would go above and beyond when the occasion demanded it. I've seen men give sustained and sterling performance in terrible conditions during emergencies, sometimes to the extent of barely remaining on their feet due to fatigue.
Revealing an interest in railways would lead to a bit of ridicule at times.
Lockspike
'Revealing an interest in railways would lead to a bit of ridicule at times.'

The difference between a 'railway enthusiast' and 'an enthusiast for railways'.  At least in my mind anyway.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

There were elements of both; most if questioned denied any interest and stated it was just a job. However those same people would go above and beyond when the occasion demanded it.
Lockspike
That's just about being a conscientious worker, nothing to with being an enthusiast or not.

It used to be one side of a quid pro quo - the railways paid their employees well, and in return the staff (and their unions) took pride in doing a good job. It would be great if those days could return, in place of the current adversarial arrangement where both sides are in a race to the bottom.

People in many other industries also go above and beyond, but without people outside their industry labelling them as an 'enthusiast.' Last week a friend of mine received excellent service from a Centrelink staffer who took ownership of an issue which was technically outside of her responsibility and spent a couple of hours seeing that it got sorted out, but nobody will call her an enthusiast.

I've seen men give sustained and sterling performance in terrible conditions during emergencies, sometimes to the extent of barely remaining on their feet due to fatigue.
Lockspike
This is 2017 and we have the benefit of many decades of research into fatigue now, so I hope that no rail worker would consider putting the lives of their co-workers, their passengers and the general public at risk by staying at work while fatigued. Better to arrive late than dead on time.
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
Dont worry the computed FAID score will determine whether we're fatigued or not. Razz
  Lockspike Chief Train Controller

That's just about being a conscientious worker, nothing to with being an enthusiast or not.

People in many other industries also go above and beyond, but without people outside their industry labelling them as an 'enthusiast.' Last week a friend of mine received excellent service from a Centrelink staffer who took ownership of an issue which was technically outside of her responsibility and spent a couple of hours seeing that it got sorted out, but nobody will call her an enthusiast.

I've seen men give sustained and sterling performance in terrible conditions during emergencies, sometimes to the extent of barely remaining on their feet due to fatigue.
This is 2017 and we have the benefit of many decades of research into fatigue now, so I hope that no rail worker would consider putting the lives of their co-workers, their passengers and the general public at risk by staying at work while fatigued. Better to arrive late than dead on time.
justapassenger
I wasn't saying the workers would go 'above and beyond' because they were enthusiasts. Rather, they did it despite not being railway enthusiasts, and many of those same men would emphatically deny having any interest in their work or industry at all.

Conscientious? Nup, I saw far compelling evidence to say they were not, but for most of them when there was a job to do they just got in and did it.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
'when there was a job to do they just got in and did it.'
That was the go!
There were passengers and goods to move, trains to run, timetables to meet and wagons to repair.

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