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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I think it's silly that Ararat is not being better utilized as a train/coach interchange. It does lack the food outlet that Ballarat has, however.
There are plenty of food outlets In the close vicinity of the station, delivery to the station probably could be arranged (If pre payment was made)
Could be a good little money spinner for local food outlet businesses.
Nightfire
The station is pretty close to town, if it became a major interchange I'm sure some enterprising local would set up shop to take advantage of the opportunity.

The little Cafe at Castlemaine Station opens every day from early till late afternoon and seems to be a nice little earner.

BG

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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The little Cafe at Castlemaine Station opens every day from early till late afternoon and seems to be a nice little earner.
BrentonGolding
Warragul Station has a little Café opening similar hours.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
I think it's silly that Ararat is not being better utilized as a train/coach interchange. It does lack the food outlet that Ballarat has, however.
There are plenty of food outlets In the close vicinity of the station, delivery to the station probably could be arranged (If pre payment was made)
Could be a good little money spinner for local food outlet businesses.
Nightfire
I live in Ararat.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Introduce a cross country coach service between Hamilton & Horsham .
If all five steps above were taken, the additional costs may well be marginal in that the cost savings as outlined in 3 and 4 should largely pay for the new trips outlined in 2 and 5 .

I noticed the other Month that VicRoads had kindly slapped an 80 km/h permanent speed limit on the Pyrenees Highway traveling East out of Glenthopson, that goes most of the way to Willaura (I'm sure that went down with locals like a lead balloon !)
Nightfire
That is the way VicRoads does roadworks these days.   Place roadwork signs, speed limit the area to 80 or 60 and wait 1 to 2 years before anything is done.   Apparently they have to wait for funding to do the required works now-a-days.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
That is the way VicRoads does roadworks these days.   Place roadwork signs, speed limit the area to 80 or 60 and wait 1 to 2 years before anything is done.   Apparently they have to wait for funding to do the required works now-a-days.
Donald
But there was nothing wrong with the Highway, It being mostly straight and flat, surface was good for a Victorian Highway !
  mm42 Chief Train Controller


I noticed the other Month that VicRoads had kindly slapped an 80 km/h permanent speed limit on the Pyrenees Highway traveling East out of Glenthopson, that goes most of the way to Willaura (I'm sure that went down with locals like a lead balloon !)
Nightfire
Last month there was a truck carrying potatoes that rolled over just north of Glenthompson and temporarily closed the road. Perhaps the rest of us will now pay for the stupidity of one driver with ridiculously low speed limits.
  mm42 Chief Train Controller

2. Run a mid morning coach daily from Hamilton to Ballarat connecting with a midday Up train .
Run a 1600 ish  Ballarat - Hamilton coach Daily off a mid afternoon Down Ballarat train .
5. Introduce a cross country coach service between Hamilton & Horsham .
kuldalai

I have sometimes taken the Hamilton-Ballarat coach service. I have never encountered many passengers joining or alighting between Glenthompson and Ballarat, so there could be savings in operating any new services direct from Glenthompson to Ararat up the Pyrenees Highway. This would also provide a connection through to Horsham. There is very little population to serve between Hamilton and Horsham via the A200 west of the Grampians, whereas the route east of the Grampians is only slightly longer and serves Willaura, Ararat, Stawell and Great Western.

The current Ballarat-Hamilton service is almost never full, with an average of perhaps 15 passengers by Hamilton, whereas Horsham is a much stronger supporter of their coach service.

One of the biggest problems with the current Ballarat-Hamilton coach service is the vibration. When the current contractor Trotters purchased a new coach for the service they don't seem to have ordered air suspension.  The spring suspension transmits every little bump or patch in the road direct to the passenger, making reading or device use next to impossible.  I know one family who drive to Ararat for the train rather than endure the bumpy road coach. Surely ptv should be able to get small details such as this right.

The easiest way of increasing Hamilton services is making connections work. The Sunday morning coach Warrnambool-Hamilton-Ararat service misses the train at Ararat by half an hour, so passengers have a 4 hour wait for the next train.  If the coach were made slightly earlier, and the driver rest break changed from Dunkeld to Hamilton, it would become an attractive service.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

One of the biggest problems with the current Ballarat-Hamilton coach service is the vibration. When the current contractor Trotters purchased a new coach for the service they don't seem to have ordered air suspension.  The spring suspension transmits every little bump or patch in the road direct to the passenger, making reading or device use next to impossible.  I know one family who drive to Ararat for the train rather than endure the bumpy road coach. Surely ptv should be able to get small details such as this right.
mm42

Has anyone...perhaps yourself actually written to PTV to advise of this problem Question

PTV can only specify the contract and standards within the bus...not the standard of suspension on the bus.

However if enough complaints are received, the contract standards may well change.

Mike.
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner


One of the biggest problems with the current Ballarat-Hamilton coach service is the vibration. When the current contractor Trotters purchased a new coach for the service they don't seem to have ordered air suspension.  The spring suspension transmits every little bump or patch in the road direct to the passenger, making reading or device use next to impossible.  I know one family who drive to Ararat for the train rather than endure the bumpy road coach. Surely ptv should be able to get small details such as this right.
Has anyone...perhaps yourself actually written to PTV to advise of this problem Question

PTV can only specify the contract and standards within the bus...not the standard of suspension on the bus.

However if enough complaints are received, the contract standards may well change.

Mike.
The Vinelander
I have worked with old man Trotter, all his coaches as far as I have been aware are some of the best in the business, always clean up to date and quite modern. He has a good name in the transport industry or V/line would not contract him.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
mm42 it may be a case of R/S roads and not necessarily the suspension, a lot of the secondary roads ( not to mention the main highway's ) around the country side are generally suited for an SUV than most passenger vehicles.

As for bus roots sorry, routes by your observation of numbers, the coach may be better off swinging off at Dunkeld to Halls Gap, then to Ararat and a mini bus from Dunkeld to Skipton and up to Beaufort to re-connect with the train.

Some time ago someone else gave a Nightmare story of a Horrendous journey from Mt Gambier, I think, that sounded more like a rodeo ride, than a coach trip.    

BigShunter.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

2. Run a mid morning coach daily from Hamilton to Ballarat connecting with a midday Up train .
Run a 1600 ish  Ballarat - Hamilton coach Daily off a mid afternoon Down Ballarat train .
5. Introduce a cross country coach service between Hamilton & Horsham .

I have sometimes taken the Hamilton-Ballarat coach service. I have never encountered many passengers joining or alighting between Glenthompson and Ballarat, so there could be savings in operating any new services direct from Glenthompson to Ararat up the Pyrenees Highway. This would also provide a connection through to Horsham. There is very little population to serve between Hamilton and Horsham via the A200 west of the Grampians, whereas the route east of the Grampians is only slightly longer and serves Willaura, Ararat, Stawell and Great Western.

The current Ballarat-Hamilton service is almost never full, with an average of perhaps 15 passengers by Hamilton, whereas Horsham is a much stronger supporter of their coach service.

One of the biggest problems with the current Ballarat-Hamilton coach service is the vibration. When the current contractor Trotters purchased a new coach for the service they don't seem to have ordered air suspension.  The spring suspension transmits every little bump or patch in the road direct to the passenger, making reading or device use next to impossible.  I know one family who drive to Ararat for the train rather than endure the bumpy road coach. Surely ptv should be able to get small details such as this right.

The easiest way of increasing Hamilton services is making connections work. The Sunday morning coach Warrnambool-Hamilton-Ararat service misses the train at Ararat by half an hour, so passengers have a 4 hour wait for the next train.  If the coach were made slightly earlier, and the driver rest break changed from Dunkeld to Hamilton, it would become an attractive service.
mm42
With the Sunday am Up road coach Warrnambool - Ararat not connecting with the new  1108 Up Ararat tarin, I wrote to PTV suggesting coach needs to depart Warrnmabool 30 mins earlier to connect with 1108 Up train .  You wait weeks and they the standard fob off rseponses, hopeless !!! troble is all suggestions are just dealt with by the army of spin doctors whose job is to fob everything off with motherhood statements and platitudes .  Never are the suggestions forward on to VLP, Metro Trains or VLP to action .

It is PTV s job to see that modes are co ordinated, but here is a no cost mod and they fail to act .  PTV are uiseless and should be put down .
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
2. Run a mid morning coach daily from Hamilton to Ballarat connecting with a midday Up train .
Run a 1600 ish  Ballarat - Hamilton coach Daily off a mid afternoon Down Ballarat train .
5. Introduce a cross country coach service between Hamilton & Horsham .

I have sometimes taken the Hamilton-Ballarat coach service. I have never encountered many passengers joining or alighting between Glenthompson and Ballarat, so there could be savings in operating any new services direct from Glenthompson to Ararat up the Pyrenees Highway. This would also provide a connection through to Horsham. There is very little population to serve between Hamilton and Horsham via the A200 west of the Grampians, whereas the route east of the Grampians is only slightly longer and serves Willaura, Ararat, Stawell and Great Western.

The current Ballarat-Hamilton service is almost never full, with an average of perhaps 15 passengers by Hamilton, whereas Horsham is a much stronger supporter of their coach service.

One of the biggest problems with the current Ballarat-Hamilton coach service is the vibration. When the current contractor Trotters purchased a new coach for the service they don't seem to have ordered air suspension.  The spring suspension transmits every little bump or patch in the road direct to the passenger, making reading or device use next to impossible.  I know one family who drive to Ararat for the train rather than endure the bumpy road coach. Surely ptv should be able to get small details such as this right.

The easiest way of increasing Hamilton services is making connections work. The Sunday morning coach Warrnambool-Hamilton-Ararat service misses the train at Ararat by half an hour, so passengers have a 4 hour wait for the next train.  If the coach were made slightly earlier, and the driver rest break changed from Dunkeld to Hamilton, it would become an attractive service.
With the Sunday am Up road coach Warrnambool - Ararat not connecting with the new  1108 Up Ararat tarin, I wrote to PTV suggesting coach needs to depart Warrnmabool 30 mins earlier to connect with 1108 Up train .  You wait weeks and they the standard fob off rseponses, hopeless !!! troble is all suggestions are just dealt with by the army of spin doctors whose job is to fob everything off with motherhood statements and platitudes .  Never are the suggestions forward on to VLP, Metro Trains or VLP to action .

It is PTV s job to see that modes are co ordinated, but here is a no cost mod and they fail to act .  PTV are uiseless and should be put down .
kuldalai
Maybe you should be reporting your responses from PTV to the local media and local Pollie, then see if they still get fobbed off
  doyle Junior Train Controller

Some time ago someone else gave a Nightmare story of a Horrendous journey from Mt Gambier, I think, that sounded more like a rodeo ride, than a coach trip.    

BigShunter.
It was me and yes your description as rodeo is accurate

Doyle
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
With the Sunday am Up road coach Warrnambool - Ararat not connecting with the new  1108 Up Ararat tarin, I wrote to PTV suggesting coach needs to depart Warrnmabool 30 mins earlier to connect with 1108 Up train .  You wait weeks and they the standard fob off rseponses, hopeless !!! troble is all suggestions are just dealt with by the army of spin doctors whose job is to fob everything off with motherhood statements and platitudes .  Never are the suggestions forward on to VLP, Metro Trains or VLP to action .

It is PTV s job to see that modes are co ordinated, but here is a no cost mod and they fail to act .  PTV are uiseless and should be put down .
Maybe you should be reporting your responses from PTV to the local media and local Pollie, then see if they still get fobbed off
Pressman

Totally agree, Pressman, how can the system improve, when there is such blatant disregard of any feed back and not only that, when a big pile of common sense is dangled in your face and you totally ignore it.

Kuldalai's suggestion would not only please the patrons, make far better use of equipment, pump the numbers for Ararat trains and everyone is happy. I wonder how many coach services with a slight rejigging of frequency could add to rail passenger numbers and reduce coach k's on the road.

Someone with a sharp tongue and a cash of knowledge of the V/Line passenger service could well do with some media coverage and pull some of these DickHeads into gear.

BigShunter.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

One of the biggest problems with the current Ballarat-Hamilton coach service is the vibration. When the current contractor Trotters purchased a new coach for the service they don't seem to have ordered air suspension.  The spring suspension transmits every little bump or patch in the road direct to the passenger, making reading or device use next to impossible.  I know one family who drive to Ararat for the train rather than endure the bumpy road coach. Surely ptv should be able to get small details such as this right.
Has anyone...perhaps yourself actually written to PTV to advise of this problem Question

PTV can only specify the contract and standards within the bus...not the standard of suspension on the bus.

However if enough complaints are received, the contract standards may well change.

Mike.I have worked with old man Trotter, all his coaches as far as I have been aware are some of the best in the business, always clean up to date and quite modern. He has a good name in the transport industry or V/line would not contract him.
trainbrain

I wasn't implying the bus isn't clean, however we all know air suspension as was used on Ansetts Flxible Clipper buses 50 years ago rides along basically the same route was much smoother than the cart springs on a regular 21st Century bus.

See link to the old:

https://www.google.com.au/search?rlz=1C1GCEA_enAU764AU764&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=CdlOWpyyJMms0ASM75OIAg&q=ansett+flxible+clipper&oq=ansett+flxible+clipper&gs_l=psy-ab.12...20656.23053.0.25754.7.7.0.0.0.0.196.1144.0j6.6.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.3.573...0i13k1j0i7i30k1j0i13i5i30k1.0.L_J9LvNTPNg#imgrc=vSob6pGQ2PjuqM:

There are also modern buses with air-bag suspension.

Mike.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
I would have thought air bag suspension would be standard equipment across the board, these days. It certainly is on the front end of bus' as that's what lowers the bus to allow passengers to board, then door closes and up she goes to travel height. The rear end perhaps still does have leaf spring's and air bag assist.
Someone will have the inside info, kuldalia might be across that one as well.

BigShunter.
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

2. Run a mid morning coach daily from Hamilton to Ballarat connecting with a midday Up train .
Run a 1600 ish  Ballarat - Hamilton coach Daily off a mid afternoon Down Ballarat train .
5. Introduce a cross country coach service between Hamilton & Horsham .

I have sometimes taken the Hamilton-Ballarat coach service. I have never encountered many passengers joining or alighting between Glenthompson and Ballarat, so there could be savings in operating any new services direct from Glenthompson to Ararat up the Pyrenees Highway. This would also provide a connection through to Horsham. There is very little population to serve between Hamilton and Horsham via the A200 west of the Grampians, whereas the route east of the Grampians is only slightly longer and serves Willaura, Ararat, Stawell and Great Western.

The current Ballarat-Hamilton service is almost never full, with an average of perhaps 15 passengers by Hamilton, whereas Horsham is a much stronger supporter of their coach service.

One of the biggest problems with the current Ballarat-Hamilton coach service is the vibration. When the current contractor Trotters purchased a new coach for the service they don't seem to have ordered air suspension.  The spring suspension transmits every little bump or patch in the road direct to the passenger, making reading or device use next to impossible.  I know one family who drive to Ararat for the train rather than endure the bumpy road coach. Surely ptv should be able to get small details such as this right.

The easiest way of increasing Hamilton services is making connections work. The Sunday morning coach Warrnambool-Hamilton-Ararat service misses the train at Ararat by half an hour, so passengers have a 4 hour wait for the next train.  If the coach were made slightly earlier, and the driver rest break changed from Dunkeld to Hamilton, it would become an attractive service.
With the Sunday am Up road coach Warrnambool - Ararat not connecting with the new  1108 Up Ararat tarin, I wrote to PTV suggesting coach needs to depart Warrnmabool 30 mins earlier to connect with 1108 Up train .  You wait weeks and they the standard fob off rseponses, hopeless !!! troble is all suggestions are just dealt with by the army of spin doctors whose job is to fob everything off with motherhood statements and platitudes .  Never are the suggestions forward on to VLP, Metro Trains or VLP to action .

It is PTV s job to see that modes are co ordinated, but here is a no cost mod and they fail to act .  PTV are uiseless and should be put down .
kuldalai
Something different with this service, I have a feeling it is not a PTV service but is under contract to the Department of Transport for whatever reason..  PTV has no control over this one, but I stand to be corrected.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

2. Run a mid morning coach daily from Hamilton to Ballarat connecting with a midday Up train .
Run a 1600 ish  Ballarat - Hamilton coach Daily off a mid afternoon Down Ballarat train .
5. Introduce a cross country coach service between Hamilton & Horsham .

I have sometimes taken the Hamilton-Ballarat coach service. I have never encountered many passengers joining or alighting between Glenthompson and Ballarat, so there could be savings in operating any new services direct from Glenthompson to Ararat up the Pyrenees Highway. This would also provide a connection through to Horsham. There is very little population to serve between Hamilton and Horsham via the A200 west of the Grampians, whereas the route east of the Grampians is only slightly longer and serves Willaura, Ararat, Stawell and Great Western.

The current Ballarat-Hamilton service is almost never full, with an average of perhaps 15 passengers by Hamilton, whereas Horsham is a much stronger supporter of their coach service.

One of the biggest problems with the current Ballarat-Hamilton coach service is the vibration. When the current contractor Trotters purchased a new coach for the service they don't seem to have ordered air suspension.  The spring suspension transmits every little bump or patch in the road direct to the passenger, making reading or device use next to impossible.  I know one family who drive to Ararat for the train rather than endure the bumpy road coach. Surely ptv should be able to get small details such as this right.

The easiest way of increasing Hamilton services is making connections work. The Sunday morning coach Warrnambool-Hamilton-Ararat service misses the train at Ararat by half an hour, so passengers have a 4 hour wait for the next train.  If the coach were made slightly earlier, and the driver rest break changed from Dunkeld to Hamilton, it would become an attractive service.
With the Sunday am Up road coach Warrnambool - Ararat not connecting with the new  1108 Up Ararat tarin, I wrote to PTV suggesting coach needs to depart Warrnmabool 30 mins earlier to connect with 1108 Up train .  You wait weeks and they the standard fob off rseponses, hopeless !!! troble is all suggestions are just dealt with by the army of spin doctors whose job is to fob everything off with motherhood statements and platitudes .  Never are the suggestions forward on to VLP, Metro Trains or VLP to action .

It is PTV s job to see that modes are co ordinated, but here is a no cost mod and they fail to act .  PTV are uiseless and should be put down .
Something different with this service, I have a feeling it is not a PTV service but is under contract to the Department of Transport for whatever reason..  PTV has no control over this one, but I stand to be corrected.
trainbrain
The useless PTV are responsible for all Victorian country coach services.  In the case of the Warrnambool - Ararat service it is a privately run serviced adminstered by PTV operating on VLP timetables and fares .  If PTV were doing their job properly then at the last tt change in August the Sunday am Up coach should be 30 earlier out of Warrnmabool connecting with the 1108 Up Ararat, and the connecting train for the 1550 coach to Warrnambool ex Ararat would have shown as off the 1216 Down, NOT the 0816 .
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

2. Run a mid morning coach daily from Hamilton to Ballarat connecting with a midday Up train .
Run a 1600 ish  Ballarat - Hamilton coach Daily off a mid afternoon Down Ballarat train .
5. Introduce a cross country coach service between Hamilton & Horsham .

I have sometimes taken the Hamilton-Ballarat coach service. I have never encountered many passengers joining or alighting between Glenthompson and Ballarat, so there could be savings in operating any new services direct from Glenthompson to Ararat up the Pyrenees Highway. This would also provide a connection through to Horsham. There is very little population to serve between Hamilton and Horsham via the A200 west of the Grampians, whereas the route east of the Grampians is only slightly longer and serves Willaura, Ararat, Stawell and Great Western.

The current Ballarat-Hamilton service is almost never full, with an average of perhaps 15 passengers by Hamilton, whereas Horsham is a much stronger supporter of their coach service.

One of the biggest problems with the current Ballarat-Hamilton coach service is the vibration. When the current contractor Trotters purchased a new coach for the service they don't seem to have ordered air suspension.  The spring suspension transmits every little bump or patch in the road direct to the passenger, making reading or device use next to impossible.  I know one family who drive to Ararat for the train rather than endure the bumpy road coach. Surely ptv should be able to get small details such as this right.

The easiest way of increasing Hamilton services is making connections work. The Sunday morning coach Warrnambool-Hamilton-Ararat service misses the train at Ararat by half an hour, so passengers have a 4 hour wait for the next train.  If the coach were made slightly earlier, and the driver rest break changed from Dunkeld to Hamilton, it would become an attractive service.
With the Sunday am Up road coach Warrnambool - Ararat not connecting with the new  1108 Up Ararat tarin, I wrote to PTV suggesting coach needs to depart Warrnmabool 30 mins earlier to connect with 1108 Up train .  You wait weeks and they the standard fob off rseponses, hopeless !!! troble is all suggestions are just dealt with by the army of spin doctors whose job is to fob everything off with motherhood statements and platitudes .  Never are the suggestions forward on to VLP, Metro Trains or VLP to action .

It is PTV s job to see that modes are co ordinated, but here is a no cost mod and they fail to act .  PTV are uiseless and should be put down .
Something different with this service, I have a feeling it is not a PTV service but is under contract to the Department of Transport for whatever reason..  PTV has no control over this one, but I stand to be corrected.
The useless PTV are responsible for all Victorian country coach services.  In the case of the Warrnambool - Ararat service it is a privately run serviced adminstered by PTV operating on VLP timetables and fares .  If PTV were doing their job properly then at the last tt change in August the Sunday am Up coach should be 30 earlier out of Warrnmabool connecting with the 1108 Up Ararat, and the connecting train for the 1550 coach to Warrnambool ex Ararat would have shown as off the 1216 Down, NOT the 0816 .
kuldalai
When the service was first introduced it stated this is not a V/line service, but under contract to the Department of Transport and is separate from Vline or PTV, they  have no control over this. So unless someone can prove otherwise stop thumping your chest.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland

When the service was first introduced it stated this is not a V/line service, but under contract to the Department of Transport and is separate from Vline or PTV, they  have no control over this. So unless someone can prove otherwise stop thumping your chest.
trainbrain
I noticed that there are a few local (non vline) bus services In and out of Ararat Station, to places like Willaura, Lake Bolac, Maryborough, St Arnaud, The village of the damned, etc.

Service frequencies are very lean (a few services a week)
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
When the service was first introduced it stated this is not a V/line service, but under contract to the Department of Transport and is separate from Vline or PTV, they  have no control over this. So unless someone can prove otherwise stop thumping your chest.
I noticed that there are a few local (non vline) bus services In and out of Ararat Station, to places like Willaura, Lake Bolac, Maryborough, St Arnaud, The village of the damned, etc.

Service frequencies are very lean (a few services a week)
Nightfire
I don't know much about Ararat but in Castlemaine and surrounding towns pretty much all bus services come under the auspices of PTV not just V/Line services. All local bus services run by Castlemaine Bus Lines including town loop and those to Maldon, Taradale, Chewton, Harcourt etc are PTV contracts serviced by CBL. Most if not all School Bus services are also overseen by PTV as well although Olivet Christian College in adjoining Campbell's Creek have their own bus service.

Some of the purely local services such as Maldon / Baringhup and those in Newstead and Guildford are Community run but they are very small.

I would be very surprised if there were any major Bus routes in Vic not overseen (and subsidised) by PTV. After all these are very expensive to run and if it is not PTV paying it would be the local council and we all know how much money they have! A clue is to look at the ticket prices and even the tickets themselves, PTV run a rural zoning system and all Castlemaine Bus Line services issue PTV branded tix.

I catch a lot of bus services in The Maine and talk to many drivers and they are not allowed to do anything without reference to PTV, timetabling, routes etc. Recently PTV reps were up in Castlemaine looking at the standard of the stops around town (very poor) and scoping route maps and timetable changes.

BG
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
2. Run a mid morning coach daily from Hamilton to Ballarat connecting with a midday Up train .
Run a 1600 ish  Ballarat - Hamilton coach Daily off a mid afternoon Down Ballarat train .
5. Introduce a cross country coach service between Hamilton & Horsham .

I have sometimes taken the Hamilton-Ballarat coach service. I have never encountered many passengers joining or alighting between Glenthompson and Ballarat, so there could be savings in operating any new services direct from Glenthompson to Ararat up the Pyrenees Highway. This would also provide a connection through to Horsham. There is very little population to serve between Hamilton and Horsham via the A200 west of the Grampians, whereas the route east of the Grampians is only slightly longer and serves Willaura, Ararat, Stawell and Great Western.

The current Ballarat-Hamilton service is almost never full, with an average of perhaps 15 passengers by Hamilton, whereas Horsham is a much stronger supporter of their coach service.

One of the biggest problems with the current Ballarat-Hamilton coach service is the vibration. When the current contractor Trotters purchased a new coach for the service they don't seem to have ordered air suspension.  The spring suspension transmits every little bump or patch in the road direct to the passenger, making reading or device use next to impossible.  I know one family who drive to Ararat for the train rather than endure the bumpy road coach. Surely ptv should be able to get small details such as this right.

The easiest way of increasing Hamilton services is making connections work. The Sunday morning coach Warrnambool-Hamilton-Ararat service misses the train at Ararat by half an hour, so passengers have a 4 hour wait for the next train.  If the coach were made slightly earlier, and the driver rest break changed from Dunkeld to Hamilton, it would become an attractive service.
With the Sunday am Up road coach Warrnambool - Ararat not connecting with the new  1108 Up Ararat tarin, I wrote to PTV suggesting coach needs to depart Warrnmabool 30 mins earlier to connect with 1108 Up train .  You wait weeks and they the standard fob off rseponses, hopeless !!! troble is all suggestions are just dealt with by the army of spin doctors whose job is to fob everything off with motherhood statements and platitudes .  Never are the suggestions forward on to VLP, Metro Trains or VLP to action .

It is PTV s job to see that modes are co ordinated, but here is a no cost mod and they fail to act .  PTV are uiseless and should be put down .
Something different with this service, I have a feeling it is not a PTV service but is under contract to the Department of Transport for whatever reason..  PTV has no control over this one, but I stand to be corrected.
The useless PTV are responsible for all Victorian country coach services.  In the case of the Warrnambool - Ararat service it is a privately run serviced adminstered by PTV operating on VLP timetables and fares .  If PTV were doing their job properly then at the last tt change in August the Sunday am Up coach should be 30 earlier out of Warrnmabool connecting with the 1108 Up Ararat, and the connecting train for the 1550 coach to Warrnambool ex Ararat would have shown as off the 1216 Down, NOT the 0816 .
When the service was first introduced it stated this is not a V/line service, but under contract to the Department of Transport and is separate from Vline or PTV, they  have no control over this. So unless someone can prove otherwise stop thumping your chest.
trainbrain
Here's the Warnambool - Ararat service timetable on the V/Line website, with V/Line and PTV branding.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Some services in Victoria are contracted directly by the Department of Transport and not PTV - they're usually very small local services in country locales. The two I can think of off the top of my head are the Henty Highway Coach Mildura-Hamilton and the coach that does Horsham-Naracoorte. Other services that pass though Horsham like Vline and V/line Firefly come under PTV.

If you go to the PTV website you will still be able to access full timetables and maps.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

2. Run a mid morning coach daily from Hamilton to Ballarat connecting with a midday Up train .
Run a 1600 ish  Ballarat - Hamilton coach Daily off a mid afternoon Down Ballarat train .
5. Introduce a cross country coach service between Hamilton & Horsham .

I have sometimes taken the Hamilton-Ballarat coach service. I have never encountered many passengers joining or alighting between Glenthompson and Ballarat, so there could be savings in operating any new services direct from Glenthompson to Ararat up the Pyrenees Highway. This would also provide a connection through to Horsham. There is very little population to serve between Hamilton and Horsham via the A200 west of the Grampians, whereas the route east of the Grampians is only slightly longer and serves Willaura, Ararat, Stawell and Great Western.

The current Ballarat-Hamilton service is almost never full, with an average of perhaps 15 passengers by Hamilton, whereas Horsham is a much stronger supporter of their coach service.

One of the biggest problems with the current Ballarat-Hamilton coach service is the vibration. When the current contractor Trotters purchased a new coach for the service they don't seem to have ordered air suspension.  The spring suspension transmits every little bump or patch in the road direct to the passenger, making reading or device use next to impossible.  I know one family who drive to Ararat for the train rather than endure the bumpy road coach. Surely ptv should be able to get small details such as this right.

The easiest way of increasing Hamilton services is making connections work. The Sunday morning coach Warrnambool-Hamilton-Ararat service misses the train at Ararat by half an hour, so passengers have a 4 hour wait for the next train.  If the coach were made slightly earlier, and the driver rest break changed from Dunkeld to Hamilton, it would become an attractive service.
With the Sunday am Up road coach Warrnambool - Ararat not connecting with the new  1108 Up Ararat tarin, I wrote to PTV suggesting coach needs to depart Warrnmabool 30 mins earlier to connect with 1108 Up train .  You wait weeks and they the standard fob off rseponses, hopeless !!! troble is all suggestions are just dealt with by the army of spin doctors whose job is to fob everything off with motherhood statements and platitudes .  Never are the suggestions forward on to VLP, Metro Trains or VLP to action .

It is PTV s job to see that modes are co ordinated, but here is a no cost mod and they fail to act .  PTV are uiseless and should be put down .
Something different with this service, I have a feeling it is not a PTV service but is under contract to the Department of Transport for whatever reason..  PTV has no control over this one, but I stand to be corrected.
The useless PTV are responsible for all Victorian country coach services.  In the case of the Warrnambool - Ararat service it is a privately run serviced adminstered by PTV operating on VLP timetables and fares .  If PTV were doing their job properly then at the last tt change in August the Sunday am Up coach should be 30 earlier out of Warrnmabool connecting with the 1108 Up Ararat, and the connecting train for the 1550 coach to Warrnambool ex Ararat would have shown as off the 1216 Down, NOT the 0816 .
When the service was first introduced it stated this is not a V/line service, but under contract to the Department of Transport and is separate from Vline or PTV, they  have no control over this. So unless someone can prove otherwise stop thumping your chest.
trainbrain
I m not chest thumping I used to admnister all these country services and am currenrtly in posession of a VLP card tt dated August 2017 that indicates quite clearly that it is a V/Line marketed service operating on V/Line fares and ticketing . No one can operate a coach service in Victoria without licence and approval of  PTV . who adminster all services and control vehicle and safety standards .
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

2. Run a mid morning coach daily from Hamilton to Ballarat connecting with a midday Up train .
Run a 1600 ish  Ballarat - Hamilton coach Daily off a mid afternoon Down Ballarat train .
5. Introduce a cross country coach service between Hamilton & Horsham .

I have sometimes taken the Hamilton-Ballarat coach service. I have never encountered many passengers joining or alighting between Glenthompson and Ballarat, so there could be savings in operating any new services direct from Glenthompson to Ararat up the Pyrenees Highway. This would also provide a connection through to Horsham. There is very little population to serve between Hamilton and Horsham via the A200 west of the Grampians, whereas the route east of the Grampians is only slightly longer and serves Willaura, Ararat, Stawell and Great Western.

The current Ballarat-Hamilton service is almost never full, with an average of perhaps 15 passengers by Hamilton, whereas Horsham is a much stronger supporter of their coach service.

One of the biggest problems with the current Ballarat-Hamilton coach service is the vibration. When the current contractor Trotters purchased a new coach for the service they don't seem to have ordered air suspension.  The spring suspension transmits every little bump or patch in the road direct to the passenger, making reading or device use next to impossible.  I know one family who drive to Ararat for the train rather than endure the bumpy road coach. Surely ptv should be able to get small details such as this right.

The easiest way of increasing Hamilton services is making connections work. The Sunday morning coach Warrnambool-Hamilton-Ararat service misses the train at Ararat by half an hour, so passengers have a 4 hour wait for the next train.  If the coach were made slightly earlier, and the driver rest break changed from Dunkeld to Hamilton, it would become an attractive service.
With the Sunday am Up road coach Warrnambool - Ararat not connecting with the new  1108 Up Ararat tarin, I wrote to PTV suggesting coach needs to depart Warrnmabool 30 mins earlier to connect with 1108 Up train .  You wait weeks and they the standard fob off rseponses, hopeless !!! troble is all suggestions are just dealt with by the army of spin doctors whose job is to fob everything off with motherhood statements and platitudes .  Never are the suggestions forward on to VLP, Metro Trains or VLP to action .

It is PTV s job to see that modes are co ordinated, but here is a no cost mod and they fail to act .  PTV are uiseless and should be put down .
Something different with this service, I have a feeling it is not a PTV service but is under contract to the Department of Transport for whatever reason..  PTV has no control over this one, but I stand to be corrected.
The useless PTV are responsible for all Victorian country coach services.  In the case of the Warrnambool - Ararat service it is a privately run serviced adminstered by PTV operating on VLP timetables and fares .  If PTV were doing their job properly then at the last tt change in August the Sunday am Up coach should be 30 earlier out of Warrnmabool connecting with the 1108 Up Ararat, and the connecting train for the 1550 coach to Warrnambool ex Ararat would have shown as off the 1216 Down, NOT the 0816 .
When the service was first introduced it stated this is not a V/line service, but under contract to the Department of Transport and is separate from Vline or PTV, they  have no control over this. So unless someone can prove otherwise stop thumping your chest.
I m not chest thumping I used to admnister all these country services and am currenrtly in posession of a VLP card tt dated August 2017 that indicates quite clearly that it is a V/Line marketed service operating on V/Line fares and ticketing . No one can operate a coach service in Victoria without licence and approval of  PTV . who adminster all services and control vehicle and safety standards .
kuldalai
Contract was originaally  done by the Department of Transport, not Vline or the  PTV, they may now have control over it, just for you to prove a point you are probably be right, but you are still thumping your chest still worrying about it.

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