R766- the final hurdle

 
  BM3801 Lobster

Location: Go Hard or Go Home!
As we all know R766's return to the rails has been a long time coming. Today however I can announce that we are at the final hurdle to finish the gauge conversion and overhaul, however it is one of the most expensive parts- the purchase and installation of the ICE Radio. When this is done R766 will be unleashed onto the NSW and Victorian networks but we need your help!

Click the link and help us over the final hurdle and get R766 back doing what it does best!

https://www.gofundme.com/steam-loco-r766-restoration

Also a video update



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fW5yrX8dvb0

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  Dave C Chief Train Controller

Location: Maitland
Thanks BM for the post

However when you look at the go fund me page $75,000 does not make sense if all that is needed is a ICE radio.

Is it possible to give a detailed cost breakdown so we can see what the money is going on.

Due to the past history with R766 a lot of people who could help will be reluctant.

I sincerely hope to see a R766 out showing up the NSW Loco's
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Well, well; the R766 people have come out of the woodwork when they need money. A slightly better approach to PR, when people were asking questions about progress, may have resulted in a more sympathetic response. In short; we were ignored for a long time; now we're expected be enthusiastic.
  Salty21 Junior Train Controller

Location: Canberra
Well, well; the R766 people have come out of the woodwork when they need money. A slightly better approach to PR, when people were asking questions about progress, may have resulted in a more sympathetic response. In short; we were ignored for a long time; now we're expected be enthusiastic.
Valvegear
Good Afternoon Valve Gear

One question did you watch the video ? I found it to be informative and it was good to see that thanks was given to Steamrail for there help with the conversion from Broad to Standard Gauge. A know of a lot of people who are associated with restoration of steam locomotives and as the powers that be, will treat R766 as a "new" locomotive there will be a lot of fees and charges even before the locomotive hits the network also testing will be undertaken with no paying passengers so there will be a lot of running that the organization will have to pay for. The cost of the ICE radio will be one of these requirements even before a wheel turns so every bit of help that is received will be extremely valuable.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Finally!!!!! Now bring it home, where it belongs!
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
No doubt there will be a multitude of costs associated with the SG accreditation of R 766 and it may well be that the radio is but a small part of them.

Despite looking forward to a standard gauge R class I cannot help but feel that there will be many potential donors to the 766 cause who will feel reluctant and, perhaps, even distrustful to donate given the organisation's poor communication skills in response to so many inquiries over so many years. Until now that is ..........................

Will 766's designs and experiences in the conversion be available to Steamrail, for example, or will they become/remain 766's own intellectual property?

I find it difficult to even imagine 766 steaming triumphantly into Spencer Street.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
So what is an ICE radio worth then? given they will need to fit the required electrical to the loco, which in its self wont be cheep.
  Salty21 Junior Train Controller

Location: Canberra
So what is an ICE radio worth then? given they will need to fit the required electrical to the loco, which in its self wont be cheep.
Galron

The ICE radio can be fitted to a steam locomotive with the power drawn from a battery source recharged from mains power whilst the engine is serviced also the batteries can be trickle charged from the locomotives steam driven dynamo. In regards to the cost of an ICE radio the ACT Government contributed about 50,000 dollars to the cost of one for 6029 as part of their contributions to the Garratts restoration.
  traincatcher Junior Train Controller

Well, well; the R766 people have come out of the woodwork when they need money. A slightly better approach to PR, when people were asking questions about progress, may have resulted in a more sympathetic response. In short; we were ignored for a long time; now we're expected be enthusiastic.
Valvegear
Perhaps there has been no update to be had until now? Also, considering 90% of the "asking" is more like dumping crap on the people doing the work. Why would they get on here and answer? It has actually been quite widely known for some time where the work is upto.

In answer to peoples questions about money and ICE radio's. The new owner of 42103 just had an ice radio fitted to it. His bill was $70k. Steam engines require things like heat and water proof boxes ect. The cost is probably more like 60-65. But by the time you add on extra cables, water proof boxing and 7.25% gofundme fee. We needed to cover all costs. Any money past that of what the radio takes will be directly put into paying for the trials. As, even though its out and running, until it pulls passengers it is more a money pit.

All heritage trains need money, the opportunity was taken to give a decent update and to ask for help to get the job over the line.
  Dave C Chief Train Controller

Location: Maitland
If a ICE radio costs $70000 fitted there should be an ACC inquiry on why?
  traincatcher Junior Train Controller

If a ICE radio costs $70000 fitted there should be an ACC inquiry on why?
Dave C
There is only one supplier, and by the time you buy all the parts, have them fitted and activated. That is the rough cost unfortunatly. Ok for big companys, not so great for small volunteer run not for profit organisations. Hence the asking for help
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Good Afternoon Valve Gear

One question did you watch the video ? I found it to be informative and it was good to see that thanks was given to Steamrail for there help with the conversion from Broad to Standard Gauge. A know of a lot of people who are associated with restoration of steam locomotives and as the powers that be, will treat R766 as a "new" locomotive there will be a lot of fees and charges even before the locomotive hits the network also testing will be undertaken with no paying passengers so there will be a lot of running that the organization will have to pay for. The cost of the ICE radio will be one of these requirements even before a wheel turns so every bit of help that is received will be extremely valuable.
salty21
Good evening Salty.
I watched the video from start to finish. Yes; it was good to see Steamrail acknowledged. As one who has been involved with the restoration and running of steam locos, I know there will be costs. I also realise that the radio will be an additional cost.
However, my point stands - a lot of us tried to take an interest in 766's restoration, and the people concerned didn't want to know us. Suddenly, they like us or, more accurately, they like our money.
There are groups who post here and, with a nice sense of PR,  keep us abreast of developments; something which we like. I'd favour them before a group which suddenly emerged after years of deafening silence. We're even more up to date with 3801's boiler than we've ever been with 766, and that's saying plenty.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Perhaps there has been no update to be had until now?
"traincatcher"
Oh! Suddenly it's ready to roll on SG, but there's been no progress to report until now!

It has actually been quite widely known for some time where the work is upto.
"traincatcher"
in a word; nonsense.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
doubtful about it returning home, https://www.facebook.com/pg/PicnicTrain/posts/?ref=page_internal
  traincatcher Junior Train Controller

Perhaps there has been no update to be had until now?
Oh! Suddenly it's ready to roll on SG, but there's been no progress to report until now!

It has actually been quite widely known for some time where the work is upto.
in a word; nonsense.
Valvegear
Big wide world outside of Railpage you know! There has been quite afew small updates and even pictures of it on facebook over the last few years. Most of the workers probably have no idea that Railpage even exists, or are signed up for facebook. Why punish them for others past actions?

Another fact for you, the person who initially leased the loco has very little involvement with the actual work being carried out. The guys that have been doing the work and spending their own money to finish it have started this fund. They are trying to get the loco going for the public to ride behind. If the public don't back it, then its simple really. It wont run. Everyone is entitled to an oppinion ofcorse! But Negativity isnt going to assist getting it out and about

In answer to other questions, SteamRail are a part owner and are fully aware of where the loco is at, what is required and will be involved with running to an extent. It certainly will visit Vic, but NSW will be its base for the time being...
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
There is only one supplier, and by the time you buy all the parts, have them fitted and activated. That is the rough cost unfortunately. Ok for big companies, not so great for small volunteer run not for profit organisations. Hence the asking for help
traincatcher
And you can't swap any of these ICE radio components between locomotives, is that right? Not even the rackmount radio and the driver interface unit?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Big wide world outside of Railpage you know! There has been quite afew small updates and even pictures of it on facebook over the last few years. Most of the workers probably have no idea that Railpage even exists, or are signed up for facebook. Why punish them for others past actions?
"traincatcher"
OK; then try asking the big wide world outside Railpage for money. The fact remains, and will always remain, that enquiries on Railpage were completely ignored for years. Interest was totally discouraged. Suddenly, Railpage has become a possible source of cash - how convenient.  Can't you see the cynicism in this?
  traincatcher Junior Train Controller

Big wide world outside of Railpage you know! There has been quite afew small updates and even pictures of it on facebook over the last few years. Most of the workers probably have no idea that Railpage even exists, or are signed up for facebook. Why punish them for others past actions?
OK; then try asking the big wide world outside Railpage for money. The fact remains, and will always remain, that enquiries on Railpage were completely ignored for years. Interest was totally discouraged. Suddenly, Railpage has become a possible source of cash - how convenient.  Can't you see the cynicism in this?
Valvegear
One of the volunteers shared it onto Railpage. How can you say they were ignored when the people involved we not part of Railpage or even knew of its existance? Its only recently with some younger people now involved that its become a "thing"

Its quite funny, people complain about lack of update. When they get an update they still complain! They are trying to do the right thing, inform people and ask for help now that it is appropiate. Perhaps this kind of attitude is why there has been less information released than people would have liked.

Its a free world so feel free to be as negative as you like, but please don't discourage others. As i have said, the loco will run to pull the public. Its for everyone, so i do not see the problem in asking for help
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Big wide world outside of Railpage you know! There has been quite afew small updates and even pictures of it on facebook over the last few years. Most of the workers probably have no idea that Railpage even exists, or are signed up for facebook. Why punish them for others past actions?
OK; then try asking the big wide world outside Railpage for money. The fact remains, and will always remain, that enquiries on Railpage were completely ignored for years. Interest was totally discouraged. Suddenly, Railpage has become a possible source of cash - how convenient.  Can't you see the cynicism in this?
One of the volunteers shared it onto Railpage. How can you say they were ignored when the people involved we not part of Railpage or even knew of its existance? Its only recently with some younger people now involved that its become a "thing"

Its quite funny, people complain about lack of update. When they get an update they still complain! They are trying to do the right thing, inform people and ask for help now that it is appropiate. Perhaps this kind of attitude is why there has been less information released than people would have liked.

Its a free world so feel free to be as negative as you like, but please don't discourage others. As i have said, the loco will run to pull the public. Its for everyone, so i do not see the problem in asking for help
traincatcher
Interesting how the original poster of this thread has been on RP since 2011 and had over 700 posts in that time, but with an absence of almost 3 years until he pops up, supposedly representing the current custodians of R766 with his use of "I can announce that we....". But his posts in the past have not mentioned R766 at all. And his chief defender has been on RP since 2004, with a similar 3 year absence, and a similar lack of any mention of R766 until now.

But I do wish R766 and its supporters well, it will be good to see another locomotive back, wherever that may be.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Interesting how the original poster of this thread has been on RP since 2011 and had over 700 posts in that time, but with an absence of almost 3 years until he pops up, supposedly representing the current custodians of R766 with his use of "I can announce that we....". But his posts in the past have not mentioned R766 at all. And his chief defender has been on RP since 2004, with a similar 3 year absence, and a similar lack of any mention of R766 until now.
"mikesyd"
Exactly.  Are you reading this, traincatcher? There has been ample opportunity to inform us, and it has not happened, despite your protests. Even your previous comment about "a big wide world outside Railpage" shows your contempt for the people here. And don't come the raw prawn telling me that we're negative - we tried to take an interest and your mob wouldn't have any of it. What did you people do to encourage us to be positive? SFA!

Like mikesyd, I hope 766 runs, but you'll need a lot of work on your public relations to make it happen.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
A couple of previous threads regarding R766 and RR in general:

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11384432.htm
https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11385086.htm

And the HVRT site:

http://huntervalleyrailway.tripod.com/index.html

Searching Facebook doesn't show a group with R766 in the name, so things are probably buried in another group somewhere. Perhaps one of those associated with the Restoration could let us all know where to look.

And of course the funding site for those who would like to contribute:

https://www.gofundme.com/steam-loco-r766-restoration
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Moving right along - are there no radio enthusiasts in Australia who could build one of these radios? Like others, I am appalled at 70 grand for one.
  Matthew Train Controller

Moving right along - are there no radio enthusiasts in Australia who could build one of these radios? Like others, I am appalled at 70 grand for one.
Valvegear
I'm sure there are multiple radio enthusiasts who could build one, given the right information, but it would not be legal to use and the technical information would be covered by non-disclosures a metre thick.

Even the old analogue UHF train radios tended to have proprietary trunking or 'sideband' data channels and even the most enthusiastic amateur would have had trouble getting the radio vendor to tell them how the system worked so they could build an interoperable unit for the heritage rail operator.

And even if they pulled all that off, the network operator could still refuse to allow the radio to be used in case it interfered with the approved vendor's radio system.

The interop testing is one reason why the commercial train radio sets are soo expensive. A LOT of time and money goes into the safety verification tests, and a 'home built' radio, no matter how meticulously built, just won't be able to show the proof that it will interoperate properly in all conditions.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Matthew, thanks for a very good, detailed reply. (You will no doubt have gathered that I know 3/5ths of 5/8ths of nothing about radio.)
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
So, an ICE Radio needs to be installed in the Cab of any Loco that leads a train on most networks? - ie, ATRC, JHR in NSW, VLine etc. I gather it applies to all DMU Cabs, EMU as well?

The Base2 Company must be doing well.

http://www.base2.com.au/Mobile-Communications/ice-radio.html

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