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  Heath Loxton Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA
So are there any train enthusiasts who plan on being the first people to ride through this new bowden underpass this Monday ? Very Happy

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  ARG706 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA
Not me. I try to avoid train travel due to the insane amount of automated and excessively loud announcements. They tend to get annoying after 5 minutes. Between Adelaide and Woodville or reverse, they seem to be almost nonstop.

And the DPTI thinks all having these announcements is a major improvement to services!
  Cato56 Station Staff

Not me. I try to avoid train travel due to the insane amount of automated and excessively loud announcements. They tend to get annoying after 5 minutes. Between Adelaide and Woodville or reverse, they seem to be almost nonstop.

And the DPTI thinks all having these announcements is a major improvement to services!
ARG706

Yeah those people with visual impairments who rely on announcements to alight at their correct station are just so inconsiderate!
  DJPeters Train Controller

I don't mind the station name announcements but some of the others that are just plain common sense like stand clear the door is closing and please take every thing with you when you leave could be deleted though. If you leave what you are carrying home on the train then kiss it goodbye you only have yourself to blame no one else.

Next will be announcements about walking with shoe laces untied or something!
  DJPeters Train Controller

So are there any train enthusiasts who plan on being the first people to ride through this new bowden underpass this Monday ? Very Happy
Heath Loxton
As a train enthusiast I will still be in bed when the first train goes through the new work as it is back to normal timetable from the first train on Monday morning which is at a very early time in the morning about 4.50am to be exact or there abouts. I will just use it on my normal commute later though.
  Cato56 Station Staff

I don't mind the station name announcements but some of the others that are just plain common sense like stand clear the door is closing and please take every thing with you when you leave could be deleted though. If you leave what you are carrying home on the train then kiss it goodbye you only have yourself to blame no one else.

Next will be announcements about walking with shoe laces untied or something!
DJPeters

"please stand clear the doors are closing" is another announcement for visually impaired people, who funnily enough, may not be able to see the doors are closing so it's not exactly "common sense" (As you know, they lack the commonly enjoyed sense of vision).

Also, unattended belongings are being increasingly seen as a potential terrorist threat (whether you agree with this or not isn't really relevant, that's just how it is). So if telling people to take their stuff with them will prevent a police response, delays or disruption, I'm more than happy for it to tell me to do so. Same thing comes over the PA in airports, get used to it.
  DJPeters Train Controller

Well if you must have announcements like that then go the whole hog the temperature at each station etc so you know what to expect once you leave the train, what celebrities are doing what and to whom and lots of other things as well. The sight impaired etc got on alright with the old Red Hen railcars without announcements and before you have a go at me I know a sight impaired person that travels by train and he seems to be able to know even without announcements exactly were he is at anytime on the train. He challenged me one day on the train to close my eyes and then guess where we where I wont tell who won though, but I lost dismally.

Just how does a sight impaired person get on, on a bus for instance no announcements on them but they still seem to be able to get around alright! Yes that's right they ask somebody where they are if not sure. A lot of bus drivers at times do not even know where they are at times and have to get help from the passengers on board and I have done this more than once guided a bus driver to get along the route they were on. So it is no real use asking the bus driver for help, he might need help himself to get somewhere.

People today and this is in general not impaired or other wise tend to have very vague idea's at anytime as to where they are without a mobile phone or a GPS to tell them exactly were they are though.

And personally authorities go overboard at the best of times on things left or mislaid on transport or other places, it is to be expected that older people will forget things like parcels and things. I happened to be in town once and could not stop laughing when a whole block in the Adelaide CBD was shut down because some poor old person forgot their Thermos of coffee or soup in the bank. The police were not too impressed after,but at least they got some free coffee or soup!
  normangerman Junior Train Controller

Well if you must have announcements like that then go the whole hog the temperature at each station etc so you know what to expect once you leave the train, what celebrities are doing what and to whom and lots of other things as well. The sight impaired etc got on alright with the old Red Hen railcars without announcements and before you have a go at me I know a sight impaired person that travels by train and he seems to be able to know even without announcements exactly were he is at anytime on the train. He challenged me one day on the train to close my eyes and then guess where we where I wont tell who won though, but I lost dismally.

Just how does a sight impaired person get on, on a bus for instance no announcements on them but they still seem to be able to get around alright! Yes that's right they ask somebody where they are if not sure. A lot of bus drivers at times do not even know where they are at times and have to get help from the passengers on board and I have done this more than once guided a bus driver to get along the route they were on. So it is no real use asking the bus driver for help, he might need help himself to get somewhere.

People today and this is in general not impaired or other wise tend to have very vague idea's at anytime as to where they are without a mobile phone or a GPS to tell them exactly were they are though.

And personally authorities go overboard at the best of times on things left or mislaid on transport or other places, it is to be expected that older people will forget things like parcels and things. I happened to be in town once and could not stop laughing when a whole block in the Adelaide CBD was shut down because some poor old person forgot their Thermos of coffee or soup in the bank. The police were not too impressed after,but at least they got some free coffee or soup!
DJPeters
Yeah those Red Hens, those were the good old days. Who needs air conditioning when you can have doors open at full speed. Who needs wheelchair accessible entrances? I don't use a wheelchair, why should my taxes go towards ramps and platforms when we can all just bloody use the stairs to get on the train. Who needs hearing aids when you can just shout at the old girl instead?

The disability movement has put a hell of a fight to get the accesses they deserve, because they are equitable members of our society. If that means a few extra announcements then who gives a toss. They are standard world wide.
  Cato56 Station Staff

Well if you must have announcements like that then go the whole hog the temperature at each station etc so you know what to expect once you leave the train, what celebrities are doing what and to whom and lots of other things as well. The sight impaired etc got on alright with the old Red Hen railcars without announcements and before you have a go at me I know a sight impaired person that travels by train and he seems to be able to know even without announcements exactly were he is at anytime on the train. He challenged me one day on the train to close my eyes and then guess where we where I wont tell who won though, but I lost dismally.
DJPeters
I'm sure this works really well for someone who's taking the train for the first time! Rolling Eyes

Just how does a sight impaired person get on, on a bus for instance no announcements on them but they still seem to be able to get around alright! Yes that's right they ask somebody where they are if not sure. A lot of bus drivers at times do not even know where they are at times and have to get help from the passengers on board and I have done this more than once guided a bus driver to get along the route they were on. So it is no real use asking the bus driver for help, he might need help himself to get somewhere.
DJPeters

So because you claim you once I got on a bus and totally had to tell the driver where to go, therefore ruling out asking the bus driver, this is somehow an argument AGAINST having a robust system in place to ensure the independence of disabled people?

People today and this is in general not impaired or other wise tend to have very vague idea's at anytime as to where they are without a mobile phone or a GPS to tell them exactly were they are though.


And personally authorities go overboard at the best of times on things left or mislaid on transport or other places, it is to be expected that older people will forget things like parcels and things. I happened to be in town once and could not stop laughing when a whole block in the Adelaide CBD was shut down because some poor old person forgot their Thermos of coffee or soup in the bank. The police were not too impressed after,but at least they got some free coffee or soup!
DJPeters


Yes I'm sure the police weren't impressed, which is exactly my point. If we can avoid wasting police resources and disrupting commuters with a simple PA message, then I think it's worth annoying someone who's overly sensitive.
  Cato56 Station Staff

Yeah those Red Hens, those were the good old days. Who needs air conditioning when you can have doors open at full speed. Who needs wheelchair accessible entrances? I don't use a wheelchair, why should my taxes go towards ramps and platforms when we can all just bloody use the stairs to get on the train. Who needs hearing aids when you can just shout at the old girl instead?

The disability movement has put a hell of a fight to get the accesses they deserve, because they are equitable members of our society. If that means a few extra announcements then who gives a toss. They are standard world wide.
normangerman

Exactly! Public transport is often the only choice for the most vulnerable members of society, whether that be due to disability, class or any other form of disadvantage. We should be doing everything we can to make it as accessible as possible!
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Perhaps JB HiFi or Harvey Norman could offer a 'show your Metrocard and save $5 on noise-cancelling headphones' deal to solve David (von?) Peters' problem.

There are only three things I think need to be fixed on the current announcements:
1. Have them re-recorded and get them done professionally this time, perhaps enlist a couple of local radio/TV veterans like Brenton Ragless and Jessica Harmsen who won't say things like 'My-all End' or 'inffastrucher.'
2. "South Australian Police officers regularly travel on public transport services" is a lie, and would be more truthful if it instead said "Belair line passengers must have their tickets ready for inspection at all time."
3. The safety announcements play at the same point each journey, but they should be randomised.
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: Rubber Tyred Vehicle track design office
The most annoying announcement made has got to be "This train will terminate here". If anyone else said anything vaguely like a bomb threat they would be arrested immediately. Why don't they say that the "train service will terminate here" because if the train did terminate I don't want to be anywhere near it.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I saw a pair of 3000's on the line today, I guess they're driver training/getting the rust off the line as discussed previously.
  1S47 Assistant Commissioner

Location: On the Down Fast
Does anyone know the situation at Bowden?  Will the new station open when trains resume on Monday or is it still a construction site?  

Adelaide Metro website is confirming OH and Grange trains are back on 15th, but doesn't say anything either way about Bowden.  I'm guessing "not ready yet", but a big, high-profile ribbon-cutting ceremony at a shiny new station will be planned close to the March State election.

AdMet website is also saying travel on OH and Grange trains will be free until Sunday 28th.  Passengers will need to enter & exit via barriers near InfoCentre at Adelaide station.
  DJPeters Train Controller

Does anyone know the situation at Bowden?  Will the new station open when trains resume on Monday or is it still a construction site?  

Adelaide Metro website is confirming OH and Grange trains are back on 15th, but doesn't say anything either way about Bowden.  I'm guessing "not ready yet", but a big, high-profile ribbon-cutting ceremony at a shiny new station will be planned close to the March State election.

AdMet website is also saying travel on OH and Grange trains will be free until Sunday 28th.  Passengers will need to enter & exit via barriers near InfoCentre at Adelaide station.
1S47
From the look of videos I think that the rail line itself will be open but the new Bowden Station will not be for a while. I don't think they could even come close to completing in the two days they have left till the railway is opened. I am only going on what can be seen in videos etc taking recently of the work at that station including a recent one by DPTI showing trains actually going through the station which has temporary fences along both platforms just back from the platform edge to protect workers finishing it off while trains roll past!
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Adelaide Metro website is confirming OH and Grange trains are back on 15th, but doesn't say anything either way about Bowden.  I'm guessing "not ready yet", but a big, high-profile ribbon-cutting ceremony at a shiny new station will be planned close to the March State election.
1S47
There's not much time left, if it gets pushed too late it will happen once the election has been formally called (this is not automatic, despite the date being fixed) and the government has entered caretaker mode. If the government is in caretaker mode the opening would need to be a politically neutral event.

AdMet website is also saying travel on OH and Grange trains will be free until Sunday 28th.  Passengers will need to enter & exit via barriers near InfoCentre at Adelaide station.
1S47
The ticket inspectors at Adelaide are not the sharpest tools in the shed, this could lead to a few issues.

I would guess that this points towards the 28th as being the targeted date for opening Bowden.
  normangerman Junior Train Controller

Does anyone know the situation at Bowden?  Will the new station open when trains resume on Monday or is it still a construction site?  

Adelaide Metro website is confirming OH and Grange trains are back on 15th, but doesn't say anything either way about Bowden.  I'm guessing "not ready yet", but a big, high-profile ribbon-cutting ceremony at a shiny new station will be planned close to the March State election.

AdMet website is also saying travel on OH and Grange trains will be free until Sunday 28th.  Passengers will need to enter & exit via barriers near InfoCentre at Adelaide station.
1S47
Bowden Station will be open from the first service on Monday.

Source: https://premier.sa.gov.au/index.php/stephen-mullighan-news-releases/8535-trains-tested-on-new-torrens-junction-underpass-as-services-set-to-resume

Croydon Station I'm not sure about, but I'll have a look at it on the weekend.
  normangerman Junior Train Controller

The subway approaches and portals show no sign of work and within the subway it looks as if part of the curved corrugated sheet which forms a false ceiling had been removed and refitted.  Also the light fittings and cabling in the subway have been renewed.
Touching the approaches in any way would have required DPTI to bring them up to modern standards, same reason they very carefully avoided doing any work on the Goodwood pedestrian subway during any of the various rail/station works over the last ten years.

Speaking of the Goodwood subway, it looks like the overpass scheduled to replace it has been quietly cancelled. Work was scheduled to be completed in mid-late 2017, but as of extremely late 2017 (i.e. yesterday) there is no sign of even a single shovel getting anywhere near the site and the dates have been removed from the DPTI website.
justapassenger
Apparently it is now due in June 2018 Confused

Preliminary site investigation and concept design have been completed on the Mike Turtur Bikeway. 30 per cent design is also completed. The Land Acquisition process is ongoing. The expected completion date for Mike Turtur Bikeway is June 2018.
https://www.premier.sa.gov.au/index.php/our-transport-networks
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I'll believe it when I see it.

No work gets done fast enough in SA for a project like that to go from nothing to complete in five months.
  DJPeters Train Controller

Does anyone know the situation at Bowden?  Will the new station open when trains resume on Monday or is it still a construction site?  

Adelaide Metro website is confirming OH and Grange trains are back on 15th, but doesn't say anything either way about Bowden.  I'm guessing "not ready yet", but a big, high-profile ribbon-cutting ceremony at a shiny new station will be planned close to the March State election.

AdMet website is also saying travel on OH and Grange trains will be free until Sunday 28th.  Passengers will need to enter & exit via barriers near InfoCentre at Adelaide station.
Bowden Station will be open from the first service on Monday.

Source: https://premier.sa.gov.au/index.php/stephen-mullighan-news-releases/8535-trains-tested-on-new-torrens-junction-underpass-as-services-set-to-resume

Croydon Station I'm not sure about, but I'll have a look at it on the weekend.
normangerman
What he says and what actually happens though are two completely different things, as is normal from the current Minister. I doubt they could get all the paving, shelters and other things done in just over a day they have left now. No matter what Mullighan says in his press release. I think this is simply one of his staffers getting ahead of what is actually out their in the ground.
  DJPeters Train Controller

The subway approaches and portals show no sign of work and within the subway it looks as if part of the curved corrugated sheet which forms a false ceiling had been removed and refitted.  Also the light fittings and cabling in the subway have been renewed.
Touching the approaches in any way would have required DPTI to bring them up to modern standards, same reason they very carefully avoided doing any work on the Goodwood pedestrian subway during any of the various rail/station works over the last ten years.

Speaking of the Goodwood subway, it looks like the overpass scheduled to replace it has been quietly cancelled. Work was scheduled to be completed in mid-late 2017, but as of extremely late 2017 (i.e. yesterday) there is no sign of even a single shovel getting anywhere near the site and the dates have been removed from the DPTI website.
Apparently it is now due in June 2018 Confused

Preliminary site investigation and concept design have been completed on the Mike Turtur Bikeway. 30 per cent design is also completed. The Land Acquisition process is ongoing. The expected completion date for Mike Turtur Bikeway is June 2018.
https://www.premier.sa.gov.au/index.php/our-transport-networks
normangerman
That whole website is just a look what we have done before the upcoming election in March, it seems that any project that has been started or is going to be started before March has been listed to make Labor look good. After the election though most that have not really started in earnest will more than likely get the chop no matter who wins the election in March.

All it is is labor thumping their chest's and saying look what we did. But you have to ask yourself why most of it was done in the months leading up to the election, strange coincidence that when beforehand they were crying poor on filling in potholes on roads they controlled. Most of the things are in the metro area as well but there is not much there for regional South Australia and they have to vote as well in the election. One does hope Mr Weatherill has looked into getting another job as I don't think he will be there after the next election to tell the truth. Oh and I am no liberal supporter either just one of many that can see that not one of them in state parliament really have any idea at all what the public actually want.
  normangerman Junior Train Controller

I'll believe it when I see it.

No work gets done fast enough in SA for a project like that to go from nothing to complete in five months.
justapassenger
I am doubtful as well, but that's the only info I could find on it.


What he says and what actually happens though are two completely different things, as is normal from the current Minister. I doubt they could get all the paving, shelters and other things done in just over a day they have left now. No matter what Mullighan says in his press release. I think this is simply one of his staffers getting ahead of what is actually out their in the ground.
DJPeters
The press release was sent out on Friday. Why would they say it is going to open when it won't? Do you have another source?

Albert Park station was open the entire time while the station was being rebuilt. They can do paving and shelter installation while it is in operation.
  DJPeters Train Controller

I'll believe it when I see it.

No work gets done fast enough in SA for a project like that to go from nothing to complete in five months.
I am doubtful as well, but that's the only info I could find on it.


What he says and what actually happens though are two completely different things, as is normal from the current Minister. I doubt they could get all the paving, shelters and other things done in just over a day they have left now. No matter what Mullighan says in his press release. I think this is simply one of his staffers getting ahead of what is actually out their in the ground.
The press release was sent out on Friday. Why would they say it is going to open when it won't? Do you have another source?

Albert Park station was open the entire time while the station was being rebuilt. They can do paving and shelter installation while it is in operation.
normangerman
True about the paving on a flat platform but the new Bowden station needs all the ramps leading to it paved as well not just the station platform. It is a lot of paving to do as well both sides of the tracks. I would suspect that brick paving will be used rather than simply bitumen paths etc. By open it could mean it will be officially open by the Minister that day but might not be open to the public till work is completely finished. It is all in how it is worded though!

One wonders what the coffee drinkers in the old Bowden station will watch now out of the windows on the former platform side of the building, the roof's of trains mainly I would imagine!

The only other problem I can see with the whole thing is that it will become a graffiti magnet being down in a trench and out of sight of everyone, not just the station but the whole dive and all. It is pretty isolated there and even if buildings go ahead it will offer the perfect solution to scumbags that graffiti walls etc. I wonder how long it will take though!
  normangerman Junior Train Controller

I just checked the last photos I took 2 weeks ago and there won't be any paving, it will be a concrete floor. The tactile tiles line up with the concrete floor. So all paving has already been done. I am pretty sure that the ramps will be concrete as well, so, again, no need for paving.
  ARG706 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA
I have possibly overlooked this several times, but have the new Citadis been officially commissioned yet?

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