Trainorama (BOBS HOBBIES) update

 
  LochRannoch Junior Train Controller

The font for "WEST COAST RAILWAY" on the models bugged me when I first saw it (for the record, still planning to buy one). Now I can see why - it's narrower than the prototype. Seems like they couldn't find an exact match?
TheMeddlingMonk
I knew there was something that didn't look quite right! I'm sure the yellow fades into the white at some points too and these look solid. Think that has pretty much done it for me. Going to pass and hope someone else does them in the future. I'm still not convince with my freight Australia one and they are a pig to re-gauge.

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  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
The font for "WEST COAST RAILWAY" on the models bugged me when I first saw it (for the record, still planning to buy one). Now I can see why - it's narrower than the prototype. Seems like they couldn't find an exact match?
I knew there was something that didn't look quite right! I'm sure the yellow fades into the white at some points too and these look solid. Think that has pretty much done it for me. Going to pass and hope someone else does them in the future. I'm still not convince with my freight Australia one and they are a pig to re-gauge.
LochRannoch
......and the yellow diamond on the side in the middle of the stylistic W is painted over the blue and not opaque which gives this area a greenish tinge.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
The font for "WEST COAST RAILWAY" on the models bugged me when I first saw it (for the record, still planning to buy one). Now I can see why - it's narrower than the prototype. Seems like they couldn't find an exact match?
I knew there was something that didn't look quite right! I'm sure the yellow fades into the white at some points too and these look solid. Think that has pretty much done it for me. Going to pass and hope someone else does them in the future. I'm still not convince with my freight Australia one and they are a pig to re-gauge.
LochRannoch
I am getting copies of the pictures that were sent to China, to make the lettering masks (?) for the West Coast Scheme. As well Trainorama were supplied prototype photos of painted engines with single markers. We were told here 311 was modified before painting. I wonder if 311 was repainted at some time, which I doubt.
I will post here unless copyrighted.
Cheers
Rod
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Sales of the WCR S Class clearly have not been good. The price has steadily dropped, with the latest email today informing that they are on sale (whilst stocks last) for $195 including postage:

https://www.bobshobbies.com.au/index.php?route=news/ncategory
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Sales of the WCR S Class clearly have not been good. The price has steadily dropped, with the latest email today informing that they are on sale (whilst stocks last) for $195 including postage:

https://www.bobshobbies.com.au/index.php?route=news/ncategory
TheMeddlingMonk

I'm not surprised, they just don't look right.
Admittedly i'm a bit of a font geek, but these looked awful in person at Caulfield.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Sales of the WCR S Class clearly have not been good. The price has steadily dropped, with the latest email today informing that they are on sale (whilst stocks last) for $195 including postage:

https://www.bobshobbies.com.au/index.php?route=news/ncategory

I'm not surprised, they just don't look right.
Admittedly i'm a bit of a font geek, but these looked awful in person at Caulfield.
lkernan
Question How many times were the engines painted in West Coast?
When were marker light mods made?
Was the paint scheme changed when they were modified?
If the first scheme had no mods apart from paint, should Traino have used second scheme paint and mods on the
unmodified body?
My info is that photographs were offered to Traino proving the S Class used that font without marker lights and ditch lite  mods. Love to hear from people who worked at Ballarat East and knew what happened?  All my pictures show locos after West Coast was closed.
Cheers

Rod
  a6et Minister for Railways

Sales of the WCR S Class clearly have not been good. The price has steadily dropped, with the latest email today informing that they are on sale (whilst stocks last) for $195 including postage:

https://www.bobshobbies.com.au/index.php?route=news/ncategory
TheMeddlingMonk
I guess that TOR decided to produce a run of the WCR S class to cater for a market that really is smaller than was thought or suggested. Makes it quite hard to work out what amounts of models to produce in various runs.

Its going to get a lot harder I think in the future as prices from China are getting to a point that modelling is going to be a greater luxury than it is now.
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Sales of the WCR S Class clearly have not been good. The price has steadily dropped, with the latest email today informing that they are on sale (whilst stocks last) for $195 including postage:

https://www.bobshobbies.com.au/index.php?route=news/ncategory

I'm not surprised, they just don't look right.
Admittedly i'm a bit of a font geek, but these looked awful in person at Caulfield.
Question How many times were the engines painted in West Coast?
When were marker light mods made?
Was the paint scheme changed when they were modified?
If the first scheme had no mods apart from paint, should Traino have used second scheme paint and mods on the
unmodified body?
My info is that photographs were offered to Traino proving the S Class used that font without marker lights and ditch lite  mods. Love to hear from people who worked at Ballarat East and knew what happened?  All my pictures show locos after West Coast was closed.
Cheers

Rod
comtrain
Out of curiosity, are you suggesting that WCR used a different font on the side of the S Class early on before the mods were made?
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

At that price good for a bit of paint stripping and a repaint into whatever you really want.
  VRS302 Station Master

Location: Central Vic
Hi all,

When the engines were initially painted in the WCR livery (late 1994) the only real modifications were the staff exchanges. To me the font size is too tall on the side of the model otherwise I think they look great, and at that price you can't go wrong.

cheers
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Sales of the WCR S Class clearly have not been good. The price has steadily dropped, with the latest email today informing that they are on sale (whilst stocks last) for $195 including postage:

https://www.bobshobbies.com.au/index.php?route=news/ncategory

I'm not surprised, they just don't look right.
Admittedly i'm a bit of a font geek, but these looked awful in person at Caulfield.
Question How many times were the engines painted in West Coast?
When were marker light mods made?
Was the paint scheme changed when they were modified?
If the first scheme had no mods apart from paint, should Traino have used second scheme paint and mods on the
unmodified body?
My info is that photographs were offered to Traino proving the S Class used that font without marker lights and ditch lite  mods. Love to hear from people who worked at Ballarat East and knew what happened?  All my pictures show locos after West Coast was closed.
Cheers

Rod
Out of curiosity, are you suggesting that WCR used a different font on the side of the S Class early on before the mods were made?
TheMeddlingMonk
I have pictures of West Coast Diesels in service without markers and ditch lights and people have offered pictures of same locos being painted with dual marker lights fitted. Most shots (very few on web, and I wonder why?) are 3/4 view front shots which do not give accurate view of sign writing. They do suggest two different fonts though. What I do suggest though is that from day one these engines were criticized by the noisy minority. Surely the weak minded ones who listen to them, would rather a Traino body and mech to a Lima one? At this price I would retire every lima mech in the fleet Smile
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Update regarding the GM Class:

"The China Factory has just  confirmed that three quarters of the  GM  Class  has been shipped from Honk Kong today,  

5 February, ETA Sydney Port around 16 February, 2018.  

Regretfully, the SSR liveried GM-12's with twin marker lights will not be leaving the

factory until early March, with the anticipated arrival being around mid March, 2018.

The explanation given being an unavoidable technical delay as regards precision tooling

of the twin marker lights feature and precise quality control as regards application of the

SSR livery which cannot be rushed, premium quality being a dominant requirement."


From: https://www.bobshobbies.com.au/blog-headlines/blogart59
  M636C Minister for Railways

Could someone enlighten me as to which GM class are included in the shipment?

Does it include four motor and six motor units?

What liveries are available for these...?

Peter

Edit:

I went back through the Trainorama news and found it (dated July 2016).

GM 1 and GM 6 in red and silver

GM 44 and GM 46 in green (grey roof or green roof)

And of course the two SSR units not yet complete...
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Could someone enlighten me as to which GM class are included in the shipment?

Does it include four motor and six motor units?

What liveries are available for these...?

Peter
M636C
GM22 and 27 in SSR on order forms, here

https://www.bobshobbies.com.au/image/catalog/Trainorama%20GM%20Class%20-%20Order.pdf
Cheers
Rod
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
upgraded SSR S Class engines https://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Now, what we should do is make up an S Class pack with a heap of relevant pictures full side on, full front and rear as well as top views

If we submit all the shots, I know someone who can run them past SSR for approval, if Trainorama first gains permission to use the scheme.

We then can present the correct features to BBB and talk him into running upgraded SSR S Class engines Smile

Well I think its better than complaining afterwards?? No??

Lots of great photographers out there, would not take a lot of time to prepare a pack.
If you want to sent stuff to Traino, contact me, as I can contact Traino BBB quickly and get him to call you to arrange receipt of??
Cheers
Rod
  M636C Minister for Railways

upgraded SSR S Class engines https://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Now, what we should do is make up an S Class pack with a heap of relevant pictures full side on, full front and rear as well as top views

If we submit all the shots, I know someone who can run them past SSR for approval, if Trainorama first gains permission to use the scheme.

We then can present the correct features to BBB and talk him into running upgraded SSR S Class engines Smile

Well I think its better than complaining afterwards?? No??

Lots of great photographers out there, would not take a lot of time to prepare a pack.
If you want to sent stuff to Traino, contact me, as I can contact Traino BBB quickly and get him to call you to arrange receipt of??
Cheers
Rod
comtrain
I would be very surprised if Bob doesn't already have good details of the S class.

However, I assume we are talking about S317 here (that's the only S in SSR colours) and S302.
I saw these two at Kensington early in January having cut off from a grain train.

S 317 is never going to be accurately modified in its form following the collision at Baranwartha which wrote off the nose.

The cab front windows are noticeably at a shallower angle (laid back further) than a standard locomotive.
The headlight has a B class glazing ring and glass rather than the standard S class version.
The headlight casing looks longer than standard.

To reproduce this accurately would require a new cab moulding only to be used for models of S317.

The cost of that would make the models unaffordable.

If actual buyers (as opposed to Railpage experts not interested in buying one) would be happy to have a standard S class painted in the two yellow and black liveries carried by S 317, Bob might make such a model. But it is not economically possible to make an accurate model of S 317 as it is today.

To change the subject slightly, would anyone be interested in any of the four (S317, GMs 10, 22 and 27) in Great Northern colours? That seems to be a gap in what is currently available....

Peter
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
I would be very surprised if Bob doesn't already have good details of the S class.

However, I assume we are talking about S317 here (that's the only S in SSR colours) and S302.
I saw these two at Kensington early in January having cut off from a grain train.

S 317 is never going to be accurately modified in its form following the collision at Baranwartha which wrote off the nose.

The cab front windows are noticeably at a shallower angle (laid back further) than a standard locomotive.
The headlight has a B class glazing ring and glass rather than the standard S class version.
The headlight casing looks longer than standard.

To reproduce this accurately would require a new cab moulding only to be used for models of S317.

The cost of that would make the models unaffordable.

If actual buyers (as opposed to Railpage experts not interested in buying one) would be happy to have a standard S class painted in the two yellow and black liveries carried by S 317, Bob might make such a model. But it is not economically possible to make an accurate model of S 317 as it is today.

To change the subject slightly, would anyone be interested in any of the four (S317, GMs 10, 22 and 27) in Great Northern colours? That seems to be a gap in what is currently available....

Peter

G'Day Peter,

"If actual buyers (as opposed to Railpage experts not interested in buying one) would be happy to have a standard S class painted in the two yellow and black liveries carried by S 317, Bob might make such a model. But it is not economically possible to make an accurate model of S 317 as it is today."

Love it Very Happy
Yes I admit I Was accepting a standard nose for S317. I think it unreasonable for anyone to expect anyone would do otherwise. Even the apologists for Auscision would not expect them to do a "317" nose, would they? Ha Ha

I know that lots of pictures were supplied for the West Coast engines, and yet the Chinese failed to fade the blue into yellow as per the prototype.
Perhaps detailed pictures of the transition would have helped?
The SSR S Class paints would also lead us into the really beautiful Great Northern paints.

If it was me running the show, I think I would be tempted to bring out a special run of two SSR S Class (unfortunately S302 is yet to get black face)

Instead they could do a run of S and GM in SSR and another Great Northern S and GM as well?
But there again, I was one who boasted the West Coast scheme would be a sell out, sadly Sad
Cheers
Rod
  Flatop Deputy Commissioner

Location: Some where in a Cab
How close would a 42 Class nose be to the current S317. Which would meaan having to accept the front slope of the front cab windows not being so laid back.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
The SSR S Class paints would also lead us into the really beautiful Great Northern paints.

If it was me running the show, I think I would be tempted to bring out a special run of two SSR S Class (unfortunately S302 is yet to get black face)

Instead they could do a run of S and GM in SSR and another Great Northern S and GM as well?
But there again, I was one who boasted the West Coast scheme would be a sell out, sadly Sad
Cheers
Rod
comtrain
The S class even had the powerline S cars coming out to piggypack off, but still haven't done well.

Might be a case of the noise of the people wanting the models far outstripping the demand.

Great Northern livery was asked about, and to be quite frank, the response was it quite likely won't happen as I don't think anybody wants it.

How close would a 42 Class nose be to the current S317. Which would meaan having to accept the front slope of the front cab windows not being so laid back.
Flatop

Not even close. Twoish rebuilds have not fared well for the original nose shape and as such is unique to any other bulldog nose.
  Flatop Deputy Commissioner

Location: Some where in a Cab
So would people be happy with standard S Class nose and the current  SSR colour scheme on S317.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


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  M636C Minister for Railways

How close would a 42 Class nose be to the current S317. Which would meaan having to accept the front slope of the front cab windows not being so laid back.
Flatop
When first built, the actual shape of the 42 class nose would be identical to that of the S class.

This includes the size and shape of the headlight barrel, which was one of the big changes on S317.

One 42 class managed to get a new headlight glass and frame which was the same as that carried by S317 now.
But it didn't ever have the longer headlight barrel now on S317.

About the only 42 class feature on S317 was placing the horns on the top of the nose.

Peter
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

How close would a 42 Class nose be to the current S317. Which would meaan having to accept the front slope of the front cab windows not being so laid back.
When first built, the actual shape of the 42 class nose would be identical to that of the S class.

This includes the size and shape of the headlight barrel, which was one of the big changes on S317.

One 42 class managed to get a new headlight glass and frame which was the same as that carried by S317 now.
But it didn't ever have the longer headlight barrel now on S317.

About the only 42 class feature on S317 was placing the horns on the top of the nose.

Peter
M636C
All of the noses on our EMD's were imported from Lagrange and by that time they would have F7/9, or E8/9 noses which were all the same. I have no idea what you mean by the front slope of the nose being laid back more?
  a6et Minister for Railways

How close would a 42 Class nose be to the current S317. Which would meaan having to accept the front slope of the front cab windows not being so laid back.
When first built, the actual shape of the 42 class nose would be identical to that of the S class.

This includes the size and shape of the headlight barrel, which was one of the big changes on S317.

One 42 class managed to get a new headlight glass and frame which was the same as that carried by S317 now.
But it didn't ever have the longer headlight barrel now on S317.

About the only 42 class feature on S317 was placing the horns on the top of the nose.

Peter
All of the noses on our EMD's were imported from Lagrange and by that time they would have F7/9, or E8/9 noses which were all the same. I have no idea what you mean by the front slope of the nose being laid back more?
nswtrains
Not quite, the Australian versions had to modified for our narrower loading gauge.

Also one of the reasons for the original delay in these models from TOR and the subsequent 42cl, is that the old factory wanted to simply do them as with the U.S design, they believed no one would notice. It took a fair bit of effort by TOR to convince the China factory of the differences between them.

The fact is that TOR refused to accept them unless the changes were made.
  M636C Minister for Railways

All of the noses on our EMD's were imported from Lagrange and by that time they would have F7/9, or E8/9 noses which were all the same. I have no idea what you mean by the front slope of the nose being laid back more?

What actually came from the USA were sets of pressed steel parts which formed the shape of the cab from just below the headlight up to the top of the cab roof and back to the cab doors. These were supplied in symmetrical halves joined in the centre. A construction jig was used both in the USA and in Granville, so the complete nose was put together separate from the locomotive frame.

The Clyde cabs were three inches (75 mm) narrower than the cabs built in the USA, So Clyde cut 1-1/2 inches from the inner edge of each side of the steel pressings. ( I have a copy of a note from Clyde Engineering's files stating that this trimming was to be performed.) The locomotives were six inches lower in height, but I'm not sure where that difference was distributed between the bogie centre height, the height of the frame and the height of the  nose itself. But I think the completed noses were a couple of inches lower than those in the USA .

The reduction in width of the nose is most easily seen in the width of the pillar between the two angled cab windows, which is 75mm narrower than that on USA locomotives.

The difference in S317, which should be clear when it is placed next to another S, B or GM, is that the front cab windows are angled backward at the top more than on a standard locomotive. This change occurred when the cab was reconstructed after a collision at Barnawartha (just west of Wodonga).

Peter

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