Victoria Rubbish Crisis

 
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
What waste is actually recycled in Australia?
Aluminum

Only a fraction of energy goes Into melting down waste aluminum (to make new products) compared to manufacturing aluminum from raw minerals.

But how much aluminum ends up In landfill due to people discarding It without a thought of recycling It ?
Nightfire
Quite a bit of paper / cardboard as well for much the same reason.

http://www.reflex.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/NEWReflex100BWfactSheet.pdf

As already mentioned by other posters there is quite a bit of plastic recycling done here for things like Tomato stakes, part benches, decking etc but no where near enough to make a dent in the plastic mountain.

BG

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Also we should start demanding that our supermarkets and suppliers stop over packing everything. Avoidance int he first place is the best thing.
Big J
Well said. The 3 Rs, Reduce, Re-use, Recycle. Note that Recycle comes last.

Unfortunately we have long ceased trying to achieve the Reduce part and seem to have flipped to Increase instead and leave the consequences to the next generation.

BG
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Also we should start demanding that our supermarkets and suppliers stop over packing everything. Avoidance int he first place is the best thing.
Well said. The 3 Rs, Reduce, Re-use, Recycle. Note that Recycle comes last.

Unfortunately we have long ceased trying to achieve the Reduce part and seem to have flipped to Increase instead and leave the consequences to the next generation.

BG
BrentonGolding
OR Maybe Students Arn't Paying attention or just not caring, I got showed similar things to this around 8 years ago


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtoeZ9Nkeqk
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
What waste is actually recycled in Australia?
Aluminum

Only a fraction of energy goes Into melting down waste aluminum (to make new products) compared to manufacturing aluminum from raw minerals.

But how much aluminium ends up In landfill due to people discarding It without a thought of recycling It ?
Quite a bit of paper / cardboard as well for much the same reason.

http://www.reflex.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/NEWReflex100BWfactSheet.pdf

As already mentioned by other posters there is quite a bit of plastic recycling done here for things like Tomato stakes, part benches, decking etc but no where near enough to make a dent in the plastic mountain.

BG
BrentonGolding

Glass packaging (i.e soda-lime glass) is recycled in Australia, but the glass making process can't use 100% recycled glass as feedstock - 70% is about the limit, the balance being new materials (sand, soda ash, limestone etc). The mountains of glass issue that was on 4 Corners last year is partly a result of how heavily contaminated the glass waste-stream is.

Scrap steel is domestically recycled as well. Electric arc furnace mini-mills use scrap steel as their primary feedstock. It's a reasonably large part of Liberty OneSteel's business, for instance - they have 4 mini-mills in Australia.

All things considered, plastic recycling is a small niche at the moment compared to aluminium, steel, paper and glass recycling. With enough end-product demand and a good clean feedstock stream it could get much, much larger - but it costs money. Recycled sleeper production could absolutely dwarf other recycled plastic production if there was good take-up from the rail industry - but the rail industry needs a really high quality product (and probably some direction, regulation, subsidies etc from Governments) to justify that.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
All things considered, plastic recycling is a small niche at the moment compared to aluminium, steel, paper and glass recycling. With enough end-product demand and a good clean feedstock stream it could get much, much larger - but it costs money. Recycled sleeper production could absolutely dwarf other recycled plastic production if there was good take-up from the rail industry - but the rail industry needs a really high quality product (and probably some direction, regulation, subsidies etc from Governments) to justify that.
LancedDendrite
Great post LD, adds to my belief that as a nation we have to start taking responsibility for our waste, yes, we might have to pay a bit extra for it but then again that might be an incentive for some to reduce.

Subject to TAL which you have already alluded to in relation to plastic sleepers, surely lines like Murrayville would be great candidates for Recycled Plastic Sleepers given the problems with white ants etc out there and the limited use of the line.

BG
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Also we should start demanding that our supermarkets and suppliers stop over packing everything. Avoidance int he first place is the best thing.
Well said. The 3 Rs, Reduce, Re-use, Recycle. Note that Recycle comes last.

Unfortunately we have long ceased trying to achieve the Reduce part and seem to have flipped to Increase instead and leave the consequences to the next generation.

BG
BrentonGolding
I was shopping In a supermarket a couple of Months ago, In the fruit and vegetable section, they had Iceberg lettuce "balls" all wrapped In plastic cling wrap !!! Why ? Lettuce has It's own natural wrapping.
  cuthbert Train Controller

Don't worry people - QLD is where the excess waste will go by rail (illegal by road) - no $130 per tonne Waste Levy. PN will be a huge winner with this, as already seen now with their Garbage trains from Sydney to Brisbane recently doubled in numbers.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
With Victorian Labor Upper House MP Cesar Melhem's suggestion of Industrial Waste-to-Energy Technology be looked at to help address this "crisis", I immediately thought that the perfect site would be Gheringhap and since the Ethanol plant at was planned for Gheringhap has fallen through and the block of land in on the market it would make sense with access to Rail, Road and the Electricity Grid.

Jack
  allan Chief Commissioner

Seems as the US experience of incinerating waste is not without its issues.

https://phys.org/news/2018-02-incinerating-trash-effective-climate.html

So we are back to the beginning - if there is no safe disposal or recycling of these products, why do we permit their use in the first place?
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Seems as the US experience of incinerating waste is not without its issues.

https://phys.org/news/2018-02-incinerating-trash-effective-climate.html

So we are back to the beginning - if there is no safe disposal or recycling of these products, why do we permit their use in the first place?
allan
I wouldn't be looking to the US as a good example, but Denmark on the other hand, they are importing rubbish from all parts of the world including the US.

http://www.powermag.com/waste-to-energy-in-denmark/

https://stateofgreen.com/en/sectors/heating-and-cooling/waste-to-energy

I can't find it at the moment, but there is a news article (I think from PBS News Hour) about their largest plant which is rather interesting.
  allan Chief Commissioner

I think it inevitable that waste incineration in Australia would follow the American model...

Denmark is a small country, so that emissions are some one else's problem, and landfill their own. The mining of heat is clever, and wise.

I note that Denmark has high per capita income, and the world's highest income tax!

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