I will buy electric:
- Price is comparable with fossil fuel engine cars, but will be happy to pay a slight premium for slight performance improvement. Eg like there is already for a SUV diesel engine over the same SUV petrol engine version.
- Able to recharge less than 15 min for a 600km to 800km trip (takes me 5 min for my current diesel vehicle, I can reach 1000km at the moment, but happy for 600km).
- Able to have a range of a comparable petrol driven car
- Mains power that contains more renewable (recognising that we will need fossil fuel mains power for some time) OR refuelling stations that are 100% renewable energy sourced locally.
- The big one, non heavy metal batteries.
The last point is a major issue. As production ramps up we are about to pull out more Li from the ground. What the hell will happen to all these batteries when they become life expired. 80 years from now we will have a our new head scratching what the hell do we do with this Li. At the moment I can assure you despite the high price tag for these, the price does NOT include the embedded decommissioning cost for them. You bet your bottom dollar you as a ratepayer will be expected to pay for that as a community. I am pleased to read that Tesla's intention is to turn the car life expired batteries into home battery packs for solar, but ultimately these will fail. What then?
I am excited that research is into batteries using graphite (carbon based). Ultimately if they can achieve superior performance, it will be easier to reprocess after life expiry.
At the moment as far as I am concerned, electric car drivers are ignorant that they will create the next wave pollutants for the next generation to manage. They have not paid for disposal and will expect that those costs will be socialised by the community for their choice. Car manufacturers as the producers, should be held accountable now for their plans for the life expiry management of these batteries and ensure that the purchase (or lease costs) include the post usage costs for these batteries.
I acknowledge the upside in that the battery life is excellent, but it is deferring this wave of environmental issues, as once again we kick a waste issue down the road for the next generation to deal with it.
So as you can see I wont be buying an electric car in the next 20 years, as I doubt graphite will be in a mass manufacturing form at an economical price point in the next 20 years
Yes you can say about the same thing with petrol and diesel vehicles with pollution, but at least there are efforts to improve pollution performance and as a society we are conscious of it. It is really a matter of our government policy reflects what our society is prepared to accept at the time.
At the moment batteries are not being discussed at all as a society. There are NO government policies on this and the manufacturers of course while not being held accountable are ignoring that gap. There should be producers stewardship policies in place for this. That is a consumer pays the embedded disposal costs upfront. Not get the shock at the end.
Of course if that was applied then the economics for these so called green vehicles will probably require another generation of R&D to truly accommodate their true lifecycle costs.
So until then, I think EV owners are either ignorant, like that the rest of the community will pick up the tab for their mess and that the manufacturers are immoral with their marketing spin. But hey, they are car sellers, so nothing changed there, right?
By the way, if I am ignorant in that there are systems in place to decommission Li batteries that is commercially
occurring in Australia (as opposed to research, trial, exporting to Asia to send our pollution for them to pollute there), please provide me the links or where I can find that information I would love to know that to improve my knowledge in that. I would appreciate it, as I do accept I can be off the mark on that. then I might change my view.