Melbourne airport rail link another costly waste

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 16 Apr 2018 15:40
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Interesting series of 3 assumptions which need exploration.

1. the cost of a rail ticket is likely to be exorbitant, since Melbourne Airport’s private operators are likely to impose significant rental charges on any railway station that is built on their land (as has occurred in Sydney);
Artlcle

Raises the question regarding the cost of a rail ticket. Given the link will be in public hands at this point then one should assume MYKI will be the ticket of choice with the only question the Zone.  Metro Tickets only now have Zones 1 and 2.

With the question of rental of land in Sydney Airport, Is this true as the station is actually underground.  is the rental exorbitant?

Why would this apply to Melbourne Airport?

the rail link is likely to be significantly underutilised, since it is suitable only to tourists and those living in the CBD
Somebody

The link is almost definitely going to be a heavy rail link so cannot see how this holds true.  Changing trains in the loop or at SCS and Flinders Street or even Sunshine for the Metro Tunnel is easily done.

Changing trains at Sunshine and North Melbourne is easily achieved for V/Line services to the West.

the existing SkyBus system could be expanded at much lower cost to taxpayers.
Somebody

I do not believe this to be a viable comparison.

Melbourne airport rail link another costly waste

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  kitchgp Assistant Commissioner

Melbourne Airport should be contributing to the project, not charging for it. Heathrow Express is fully funded by the airport operator, Heathrow Airport Holdings.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Should change the name of this thread to: Melbourne Airport Rail Link, another pointless thread.

Seriously how many threads do we need on this one topic.

To answer the question at hand, no, it is not a viable comparison. It just another self important windbag blowing off pressure on a topic they clearly know very little about.
  8077 Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
Melbourne Airport should be contributing to the project, not charging for it. Heathrow Express is fully funded by the airport operator, Heathrow Airport Holdings.
kitchgp

Press in the past has captured support from the Airport Authority of Melbourne toward a rail solution and searching on here those articles luckily exist.  is there any evidence for the claim Sydney Airport charges the NSW government for their stations (remember there are 2) ?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
This really should be in the NEWS thread as it's citing a media story.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The Turnbull government have expressed a desire to build this Airport line as some form of Public/Private Partnership.

The Melbourne Airport Corporation (or what ever they are called this week) have it as a policy of their's that a heavy rail line must be built to service the Airport within the next 15 years.

This suggests to me that there is some hope that there will be some leverage if government wanted to pressure them into some form of arrangement that sees them contributing to the costs.
  kitchgp Assistant Commissioner

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Raises the question regarding the cost of a rail ticket. Given the link will be in public hands at this point then one should assume MYKI will be the ticket of choice with the only question the Zone.  Metro Tickets only now have Zones 1 and 2.
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bevans
Adding an airport surcharge, say $30, would only require a software change. Tap Ons and Tap Offs at myki readers within the airport zone would incur the surcharge. Using barrier gates would assist the ‘forgetful’.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
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Raises the question regarding the cost of a rail ticket. Given the link will be in public hands at this point then one should assume MYKI will be the ticket of choice with the only question the Zone.  Metro Tickets only now have Zones 1 and 2.
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Adding an airport surcharge, say $30, would only require a software change. Tap Ons and Tap Offs at myki readers within the airport zone would incur the surcharge. Using barrier gates would assist the ‘forgetful’.
kitchgp
For all the woes of the two northern capitals PT ticketing/card systems, both have surcharge for the airport lines without too much of an issue for years now.

There is no way the state govt can allow the Melbourne Airport Line to be at current myki rates, at $5B the line is woefully expensive and taxpayer needs some return for the money other than SFA! The line won't have a significant impact on traffic congestion as the airport users would occupy only around 1 lane of traffic on the freeway.  

If Syd and Bris can get nearly 20% of all airport users despite being so close to the city and Brisbane's higher baseline fares, I would expect $20/ticket in today's money to be a starting base. So say 8m users per year at $20 each = $160mpa in revenue plus what ever other new to rail revenue stream it can bring in at normal rates.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
The rail service would be used by daily commuters between other capitals into Melbourne Airport and then to Melbourne CBD.  I think it would be quite popular.  So 100,000 daily visitors to Melbourne each business day?

30% would use the train making 30,000 journeys x 2 is 60,000 per day.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
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go to  THE thread :   https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11397392-0-asc-s0.htm

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