Using hand trikes/trolleys/pump trolleys on private property

 
  Aiden Teszke Station Master

Location: Somewhere in the Hunter
Hi all.

I was wondering if I were to purchase a block of land that has an abandoned line running though it (That is included as part of the block and railcorp/artc do not own) Or if heaven forbid I constructed a short railway on my property, Could or would railcorp or any government authority get up me for using a hand trike on that line without any insurance or railway accreditation?

I know it's a pretty far fetched foamy fantasy. But I was just curious.

Cheers, Aiden.

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  Matthew Train Controller

Hi all.

I was wondering if I were to purchase a block of land that has an abandoned line running though it (That is included as part of the block and railcorp/artc do not own) Or if heaven forbid I constructed a short railway on my property, Could or would railcorp or any government authority get up me for using a hand trike on that line without any insurance or railway accreditation?
Aiden Teszke
It's possible, but you have to be quite particular about who you 'invite' to try it out with you.
Peter Neve has done the research and paperwork
https://www.peteshobbyrailway.club/about/

So while in certain conditions you don't need accreditation, the railway is STILL covered by legislation.

I don't know how often Pete's hobby railway is subject to inspection to ensure it's still operated within the scope the Provision 7 (2)(a) of the Rail Safety National Law (NSW), but I'm sure the appropriate people the rail regulator keep an eye on him.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
Peter has definitely taken the Garden Railway to a new level.

Pity about the regulations when its not used for any public purpose.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
If I had the room or lived closer to the south Gippsland line then I would try to get into trolly riding. I don’t think 500 square meters of hilly terrain is enough for a broad gauge railway
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

If I had the room or lived closer to the south Gippsland line then I would try to get into trolly riding. I don’t think 500 square meters of hilly terrain is enough for a broad gauge railway
Dangersdan707
A clear demonstration of the severe inadequacies that are inherently present in the use of Backwater Gauge Razz
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

several years ago there was a young chap in rural nsw who was posting videos on FB showing him using a trike on service suspended lines.

He then had the rare distinction of having a prohibition notice served on himself by the ONRSR.

Although I note that the notice is no longer listed on their website.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

several years ago there was a young chap in rural nsw who was posting videos on FB showing him using a trike on service suspended lines.

He then had the rare distinction of having a prohibition notice served on himself by the ONRSR.

Although I note that the notice is no longer listed on their website.
  TomBTR Train Controller

Location: near Sydney
several years ago there was a young chap in rural nsw who was posting videos on FB showing him using a trike on service suspended lines.
theanimal
Agh, the evils of FB!
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Looking at the original post, I cannot, off the top of my head, think of any lines in NSW that might match the criteria?
  TomBTR Train Controller

Location: near Sydney
I expect that many of us can think of one or two  places that match the criteria, but a public discussion would not help the original poster in case he really wants to buy such a place.

I think that it would be simpler to set up ones own track. Two foot and above should be accredited like the privately owned Lake Macquarie Light Railway or just be a private track like Peter Neve's. If he only wanted to run a hand trike rather than steam then the rail could be lighter or the sleepers more widely spaced.  The alternative is to pick a gauge less than 600mm, build or modify a suitable hand trike and run as a miniature railway. There are still a few rules and standards to consider if the public are involved but accreditation under the rail safety national law is not relevant.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
several years ago there was a young chap in rural nsw who was posting videos on FB showing him using a trike on service suspended lines.
Agh, the evils of FB!
TomBTR
Exactly, don't publicly post that stuff.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Looking at the original post, I cannot, off the top of my head, think of any lines in NSW that might match the criteria?
theanimal
An alternative might be to start your own museum and get a collection - I frequently drive past this small museum in Haddon and it all started with a group of volunteers although it's a semi-commercial operation that shares skills with Bendigo Museum etc.

Or you could just have a private static collection on a block somewhere like lots of people do - there's dozens of Hitachi carriages on farms across Australia for example. You might not have a moving train but you could have a train as a shed.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
If I lived near a closed line that was potentially trafficable with a home made trike, powered by human or other. myself and the kids would certainly be  going for a ride, however I wouldn't publish on face book.

Obviously some sort of commonsense needs to be applied, ie avoid road crossing or done with extreme care, watch out for wires strung across, missing or distorted track, bridges etc and limit alcohol consumption to that of fishing rates.
  ssaunders Train Controller

Anything 24 inches gauge or over needs to be accredited with ONRSR. However, you can apply for an exemption. QLD sugar cane system is not over sighted by ONRSR in a similar way to most Victorian tourist operations which also have exemptions.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

I think there is only 1 sugar cane system in qld that is uses 1067mm gauge.  The rest are 600mm gauge, so no need for oversight.
  Matthew Train Controller

Anything 24 inches gauge or over needs to be accredited with ONRSR. However, you can apply for an exemption. QLD sugar cane system is not over sighted by ONRSR in a similar way to most Victorian tourist operations which also have exemptions.
ssaunders

Heritage (and trams) are specifically exempted from  ONRSR oversight by Victorian legislation. This exemption does not apply in other states, it's specifically a Victorian thing.

The only exemption possible for someone wanting to 'play' with rail trikes is to be absolutely clear that only you are riding it. No 'members of the public'.

Being a 'museum' doesn't get you off having to comply with national rail safety legislation, At least two NSW groups had their operations shut down by the regulator over the years. You don't mess with / ignore the rail regulator.
  ssaunders Train Controller

Anything 24 inches gauge or over needs to be accredited with ONRSR. However, you can apply for an exemption. QLD sugar cane system is not over sighted by ONRSR in a similar way to most Victorian tourist operations which also have exemptions.

Heritage (and trams) are specifically exempted from  ONRSR oversight by Victorian legislation. This exemption does not apply in other states, it's specifically a Victorian thing.

The only exemption possible for someone wanting to 'play' with rail trikes is to be absolutely clear that only you are riding it. No 'members of the public'.

Being a 'museum' doesn't get you off having to comply with national rail safety legislation, At least two NSW groups had their operations shut down by the regulator over the years. You don't mess with / ignore the rail regulator.
Matthew
Any rail operator can apply for an exemption provided there is a case for it. You're only exemption possible is misleading.  https://www.onrsr.com.au/operators/accreditation/exemption

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