Echuca line

 
  woodford Chief Commissioner

On another thread BrentonGolding said..............

"Woodford are you saying that after all the $$$ that have been thrown at the Echuca line over the last 10 years including concrete sleepering that the track is still class 4 and will remain at 80km/H? If that is the case it is shameful and there should be some sort of enquiry into the waste of taxpayers $$$"


Yes, The latest "Train Operating Data" document on VLInes corporate website STILL lists the Bendigo Denilquin line as Class 4 track.The document lists operating speed for Sprinters/Vlocity's as 80kph to North Bendigo Junction and 75kph North Bendigo Junction to Echuca.

woodford

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  woodford Chief Commissioner

A woodord opinion, you have been warned.

The term "all the dollars" is used in the above post refering to the work done on the Echuca line. Now I have in the past spent  a good deal of time keeping an eye on he Echuca line and I have found the work done has been VERY spasmodic, My impression is the work on the Echuca line is what one may call a "spare time" project, ie a project that is done when nothing more urgent was availible and apart from the level crosssings not that many funds has actually been thrown at the line.

For some reason it is apparent that VLine think the Echuca line pass service is of a VERY low priority.

woodford
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
A woodord opinion, you have been warned.

The term "all the dollars" is used in the above post refering to the work done on the Echuca line. Now I have in the past spent  a good deal of time keeping an eye on he Echuca line and I have found the work done has been VERY spasmodic, My impression is the work on the Echuca line is what one may call a "spare time" project, ie a project that is done when nothing more urgent was availible and apart from the level crosssings not that many funds has actually been thrown at the line.

For some reason it is apparent that VLine think the Echuca line pass service is of a VERY low priority.

woodford
woodford
Something tells we it's political...
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

These are the facts with the long drawn out saga of the Echuca Line .

- In 2009  VLP got then Minister Mulder to fund $ 11m works to fit a number of crossings with bb protection, and promised and announced on completion of those works a line speed increase to 100kmh for DMU .
- On protracted late completion of the lx crossing upgrades, VLP stubbornly refused to increase the line speed to 100kmh ., claiming the track needed upgrading .
- In recent years in parallel with the lx upgrades  VLP has relaid Rochester - Echuca in 94lb rail, and CWR the entire line throughout, plus a heavy tie renewal, plus re decked many bridges in steel .
-  As usual VLP gold plated the lx side with boom barriers in place of flashing lights even at lx near stations where every train is travelling around 65 kmh .
- Several crossings with frangible gates where the gates are supposed to be closed to road traffic are observed regularly as open and un attended .
-  In reality the line with a surfacing cycle is probably Class 3 1/2 and quite safe and suitable for 100kmh DMU operation now .
- Both VLP and the Minister show little interest in any Inter city services, including especially  Albury, Shepparton and Echuca .
-  Out of the goodness of their hearts VLP recently increased the DMU Echuca Line speed from 75 to 80 kmh .
- In the 2017 State Budget  $ 91m is allocated to install two position signalling between Bendigo and Eaglehawk/Epsom (in lieu of Train Orders)and also to upgrade North Bendigo - Echuca to Class-2 track allowing 130kmh DMU operation .
- As usual the multiple Transport Bureaucracies moving with all the speed of a crippled  snail, have not as of December, 2017 struck a single blow on the Echuca project .  Don't hold your breath,  the Claytons Ballarat line upgrade is just groaning into action after2 years; and Waurn Ponds stabling project is still to turn a first sod after 2 1/2 years .
- This Government is great on announcing VLP projects, but pathetically slow in actually getting them to construction and completion .
  n459L1150 Train Controller

Location: at sunbury on a V/line service into melbourne, waiting for thousands of impatient people to get on
I live at the end of the Echuca Line, I think it is absolutely horrible that we have to dawdle along at a snails pace. I wouldn't be surprised if in November Jacinta "Victoria ends at Bendigo" Allan loses either her seat or her portfolio due to her absolutely horrible mismanagement of Victoria's Regional/Rural Passenger Lines. She should get it through her thick head that while Melbourne is the capital and Bendigo is her electorate that she is responsible for the entire states public transport needs. If Daniel Andrews somehow manages to win the state election, I would strongly recommend that she divide up the Public Transport Portfolio up into two separate Portfolios, Metropolitan (Metro and regional centres ie Bendigo and geelong and ballarat) and Regional (V/Line) so that regional Victorian trains/buses get the representation we need and deserve.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I live at the end of the Echuca Line, I think it is absolutely horrible that we have to dawdle along at a snails pace. I wouldn't be surprised if in November Jacinta "Victoria ends at Bendigo" Allan loses either her seat or her portfolio due to her absolutely horrible mismanagement of Victoria's Regional/Rural Passenger Lines. She should get it through her thick head that while Melbourne is the capital and Bendigo is her electorate that she is responsible for the entire states public transport needs. If Daniel Andrews somehow manages to win the state election, I would strongly recommend that she divide up the Public Transport Portfolio up into two separate Portfolios, Metropolitan (Metro and regional centres ie Bendigo and geelong and ballarat) and Regional (V/Line) so that regional Victorian trains/buses get the representation we need and deserve.
n459L1150
Reading Kuldalai's summary above makes you wonder whether all of the $$$ spent have been to upgrade the line for the Rice train under the guise of fixing it up for passenger services.

80km/h running on 94 pound CWR and concrete sleepers from Bendigo to Echuca suits the Ricey down to the ground and it continues to use the Bendigo path as well as the Toolamba path which is much slower and has pathing problems of it's own. This despite the fact that Toolamba was specifically re-opened for this service.

BG
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I live at the end of the Echuca Line, I think it is absolutely horrible that we have to dawdle along at a snails pace. I wouldn't be surprised if in November Jacinta "Victoria ends at Bendigo" Allan loses either her seat or her portfolio due to her absolutely horrible mismanagement of Victoria's Regional/Rural Passenger Lines. She should get it through her thick head that while Melbourne is the capital and Bendigo is her electorate that she is responsible for the entire states public transport needs. If Daniel Andrews somehow manages to win the state election, I would strongly recommend that she divide up the Public Transport Portfolio up into two separate Portfolios, Metropolitan (Metro and regional centres ie Bendigo and geelong and ballarat) and Regional (V/Line) so that regional Victorian trains/buses get the representation we need and deserve.
Reading Kuldalai's summary above makes you wonder whether all of the $$$ spent have been to upgrade the line for the Rice train under the guise of fixing it up for passenger services.

80km/h running on 94 pound CWR and concrete sleepers from Bendigo to Echuca suits the Ricey down to the ground and it continues to use the Bendigo path as well as the Toolamba path which is much slower and has pathing problems of it's own. This despite the fact that Toolamba was specifically re-opened for this service.

BG
BrentonGolding
And it was a good thing the Toolamba line was reopened in 2013.  Deni would've had no rice trains for 2 months last year while the axle counters were installed....  It'll probably get more freight traffic as Echuca gets more passenger trains in future.

Incidentally, there's a fair bit of maintenance occurring on the line at present, including a shutdown this weekend.

As for the upgrade to 130 Km/h for DMUs - that'll be a game changer for the line.  My understanding is that it'll involve replacement of 80 lb/yd rail South of Elmore with heavier rail etc.  Just need to get an R-class with a steel carriage set zipping along it at 100 km/h+ after the upgrade Laughing
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
The track north of Bendigo is not fully concreted, only spasmodically as seen in this view at Huntly from late December.

[/url]S317, T386, S302 'Edward Henty' 9084 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/greensleeves94/]Brad White, on Flickr
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Some good news: Epsom - Echuca line upgrade will begin this year.  Hopefully higher speeds and frequency not too far into 2019:

https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/5499928/upgrade-works-on-rail-line-due-to-begin-late-2018/?cs=80
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Some good news: Epsom - Echuca line upgrade will begin this year.  Hopefully higher speeds and frequency not too far into 2019:

https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/5499928/upgrade-works-on-rail-line-due-to-begin-late-2018/?cs=80
Carnot

In addition to the works already years behind being managed by V/Line?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

RPV are in charge.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
RPV are in charge.
potatoinmymouth

Of the new scope?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Yes, this is part of the Regional Rail Revival program under their watch.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Yes, this is part of the Regional Rail Revival program under their watch.
potatoinmymouth

That is really good news as no faith in V/Line to ever deliver anything on time or budget.  The news report also states increased capacity to trains terminating at Epsom and Eaglehawk which does not in anyway suggest these works are for the Echuca line.  Is this another case of V/Line taking money from Paul to pay Peter?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Yes, this is part of the Regional Rail Revival program under their watch.

That is really good news as no faith in V/Line to ever deliver anything on time or budget.  The news report also states increased capacity to trains terminating at Epsom and Eaglehawk which does not in anyway suggest these works are for the Echuca line.  Is this another case of V/Line taking money from Paul to pay Peter?
x31
That's for the signalling upgrade around Bendigo which will happen after the line upgrade.  It'll mean much more capacity on the lines North of Bendigo, both for passenger and freight.
http://regionalrailrevival.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/310925/RRR-Bendigo-Line-Newsletter-Winter-2018.pdf
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

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- In the 2017 State Budget  $ 91m is allocated to install two position signalling between Bendigo and Eaglehawk/Epsom (in lieu of Train Orders)and also to upgrade North Bendigo - Echuca to Class-2 track allowing 130kmh DMU operation .
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kuldalai

What happened to this money? Will the signalling be two-position, given its problems Geelong - Waurn Ponds?

Echuca completion early 2020; signalling completion early 2021.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
I hope they future proof the Junction to Marong.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Yes, this is part of the Regional Rail Revival program under their watch.

That is really good news as no faith in V/Line to ever deliver anything on time or budget.  The news report also states increased capacity to trains terminating at Epsom and Eaglehawk which does not in anyway suggest these works are for the Echuca line.  Is this another case of V/Line taking money from Paul to pay Peter?
That's for the signalling upgrade around Bendigo which will happen after the line upgrade.  It'll mean much more capacity on the lines North of Bendigo, both for passenger and freight.
http://regionalrailrevival.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/310925/RRR-Bendigo-Line-Newsletter-Winter-2018.pdf
Carnot
Nice one Carnot, excellent news for Bendigo as a regional hub and even better news for people north of, will be interesting to see how the patronage increase with the much faster travel times and increase in services.

BigShunter.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Yep, class 2 is a real investment and nice to see. At 130 clicks the Echuca trip will be very competitive with road from both Melbourne and Bendigo.

After this round of investment we will have two long-haul class 2 lines (NE SG is the other). With the VLos taking over long-haul completely from 2022 I suspect we will soon see 130km/h running to the end of the line across Victoria. That is something that could barely be dreamed of in the “good old days”!
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Wonder what the cost would be to link Inglewood to Bendigo on SG?

Could run DG into Bendigo and split for the Yard allowing SG into North Bendigo also?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

For what traffic?
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
For what traffic?
potatoinmymouth

Intermodal and grain
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

For what traffic?

Intermodal and grain
x31
Stupid question deserves a stupid answer.

Who would be running grain traffic Inglewood-Bendigo?

And I very much struggle to see intermodal traffic - where from and where to?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
For what traffic?

Intermodal and grain
Stupid question deserves a stupid answer.

Who would be running grain traffic Inglewood-Bendigo?

And I very much struggle to see intermodal traffic - where from and where to?
potatoinmymouth
Agreed, with the MB standardisation works why on earth would you run grain on this line unless your were going to the Lauke mill at Bridgewater? And as has been stated many times on RP that mill takes a huge variety of grains to produce specialty flour products and so is far more suited to Road rather that Rail transport.

The Bendigo line is pretty much out of paths with freight trains normally running in the dead of night where as the SG lines will have plenty of avl paths when complete and bedded in.

If the long talked about but seldom seen Intermodal traffic to/from Marong did ever eventuate or even the containerised Hay traffic from the big exporter on the Marong side of Bridgewater this would be much better handled by running SG from Inglewood to Marong.

The only reason you would SG into Bendigo would be if SSR wanted it to expand North Bendigo Workshop maintenance regime.

BG
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
As for intermodal traffic, please don't mention the supposed Marong terminal. That's dependant on the council getting the land from the Carter family, and they (quite rightly) are fighting it tooth and nail. And a lot of people in Bendigo are behind them.

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