Coalition to announce transport projects and policy

 
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
the opposition to Make announcements today on their policies.

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  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Heard duplication to Eltham, testle bridge lover beware Smile

Regards,
David Head
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Heard duplication to Eltham, testle bridge lover beware Smile

Regards,
David Head
dthead
Wonder what else we'll be seeing from the coalition, obviously replacing Vlines Loco hauled trains with DMUs. Alas it will be a shame if the bridge has to go Sad
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Some of it is already announced with $500m earmarked for V/Line upgrades.

I expect we will see an announcement regarding the Airport Rail Link.  (They have to right)
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Hahahahahaha

Aside from politely listening, if their stints in government since the 1980s are anything to judge the Victorian Liberal party on, their announcements will probable be met with scepticism?

The last good thing a Liberal state government did for public transport was the City Loop. Since then, its been inaction, minimalist infrastructure or rolling stock ordering, and brain farts every other time on public transport. Yes they closed lines, but that's been debated elsewhere to varying degree of merit based on who/where you live and its effect on you etc.

That aside, the current Labor government however, (regardless of whether you agree or even like the results or methods used) has put things up, dug holes, and made commitments that people can see real progress, and NOBODY can deny that they've got things done or started.

Debate or argue all you wish, but Dan can stand there and rattle off a list saying "My government has built or started this, this, and this, ordered and delivered however many of this or that train/tram......."

Matthew on the other hand, can only stand there and outline what he's proposing, purely based on the fact PT is now becoming a red hot topic. It should also be a reflection of the fact all we're doing is playing catchup on infrastructure. If we stop increasing our population, the infrastructure will catch up. If we don't, then it also becomes whats his plan for getting ahead of the curve to keep pace with patronage growth due to also wanting large population growth.

Governments of both persuasions have been caught napping here, so it will be interesting to hear the oppositions views. I merely suggest the Liberals poor form in the past may mean many a sceptic will question seriousness in their commitment.

We shall see.

Regards
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Remember the last election when the Libs only started dragging public transport proposals from the bottom draw when they knew they had already lost what many say was a winable election.  The ALP had lost seats on the Frankston Line and all the Coalition need do is pledge and invest in public transport.  But no, they announced and signed a dog of a deakl called east west link and lost the election.

You are right, their track record on public transport is non existent.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The trickle feed continues.  Next up - roads:
https://vic.liberal.org.au/News/2018-04-18/liberal-nationals-will-bring-back-country-roads-and-bridges-program
Carnot

Looking at the announcement seems the idea now is to poor more money into roads which are progressively being destroyed by heavy vehicles leaving councils to try and find funding for this damage. Not impressed so far.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Heard duplication to Eltham, testle bridge lover beware Smile

Regards,
David Head
dthead

Looks like it https://www.railpage.com.au/news/article-28453/
  cbinyon Train Controller

Location: London, England
I'll believe it (if) when they're firstly elected. Secondly, actually follow through with promises.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Heard duplication to Eltham, testle bridge lover beware Smile

Regards,
David Head

Looks like it https://www.railpage.com.au/news/article-28453/
bevans
No timing is mentioned, and this will happen eventually no matter who is in Government, so it's an empty promise intended only to catch the votes of unthinking people.

The Eltham trestle has been much discussed in other threads.  Hopefully it can be pensioned off and preserved somehow.  I believe it is heritage-listed?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland



The Eltham trestle has been much discussed in other threads.  Hopefully it can be pensioned off and preserved somehow.  I believe it is heritage-listed?
Lad_Porter
One media outlet reported that the timber trestle would be bypassed by a new double track bridge.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Sadly this is typical of the Liberal Party. They show no real enthusiasm for improving the rail network as a whole. Rather instead they promise smaller upgrades that have a much smaller impact, and behave as if they are much more than that.

As yet;
No mention of electrifying to Melton.
No mention of electrifying to Wyndham Vale.
No mention of extending and upgrading the Cranbourne line.
No mention of extending electrification to Wallan and duplicating & electrifying the Somerton - Upfield section.
No mention of any upgrades to any lines on the V/Line network.

I'm not saying the Greensborough - Eltham section shouldn't be duplicated, just that it shouldn't appear as a major political policy in the lead up to an election.

Maybe if it was a part of a broader policy that were to include duplicating other sections of single track in the suburban area (Moorolbark - Lilydale, Dandenong - Cranbourne, Gowrie - Upfield, etc) then it would be a properly big announcement worthy of an election year, but this? On its own? Still as one of their very few rail policies?

Very weak from them. Very weak.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Many excellent projects in that list being ignored by both parties although the ALP have already announced many.

Clyde extension is a good one. Ballarat electrification another. Wallan electrifiation and via upfield a key plan.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Many excellent projects in that list being ignored by both parties although the ALP have already announced many.

Clyde extension is a good one. Ballarat electrification another. Wallan electrifiation and via upfield a key plan.
freightgate

There's a BIG difference between Ballarat electrification and electrification to Melton.

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

There's a BIG difference between Ballarat electrification and electrification to Melton.

Mike.
The Vinelander

About 77 kilometres but agree well worth the effort for sped and environmental reasons.

77kms x $1m per kilometre.  Not bad really.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger

There's a BIG difference between Ballarat electrification and electrification to Melton.

Mike.
About 77 kilometres but agree well worth the effort for sped and environmental reasons.

77kms x $1m per kilometre.  Not bad really.
bevans
Plus the cost of new rolling stock, driver and crew training, coach replacements while it is happening, new/modified maintenance facilities, new service plans for Ararat and Maryborough...

The majority of energy in Victoria still comes from Brown coal, if you're doing it for environmental reasons you'll probably want another wind far,m or solar plant.

The cost of electrification is not just in the wires.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
We can keep ignoring the need for electrification as long as you like but it needs to happen.
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

We can keep ignoring the need for electrification as long as you like but it needs to happen.
bevans
That's a matter of opinion. certainly to Melton and Clyde, but to Ballarat I do not think so. You might get away with it to the Marsh, maybe.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

We can keep ignoring the need for electrification as long as you like but it needs to happen.
That's a matter of opinion. certainly to Melton and Clyde, but to Ballarat I do not think so. You might get away with it to the Marsh, maybe.
trainbrain

Agreed to Trainbrain. Melton, Clyde and Wallan first. Then the electrification to Geelong will have to happen.

Ballarat electrification would involve alot of duplication to make it viable, as well as the rolling stock, and all the other issues.

Melton is easy because it is clearly flat land and that part is getting duplicated. Clyde is a short extension, and will probably improve the Cranbourne line with duplication. Both are within the Urban boundary. Wallan is also seeing developments and the rail line may be extended out to there, the urban boundary also covers this area. Geelong electrification needs to happen due to the developments along the RRL alignment, so will need to be sorted out with electrification.

Ballarat on the other hand would highly unlikely to happen in right now or future.

"I'm not saying the Greensborough - Eltham section shouldn't be duplicated, just that it shouldn't appear as a major political policy in the lead up to an election. "

Oh yeah Liberals like to reannounce ALP policies and make it sound they their own. They have no plan.
LX removals - Traffic light removals -  put their own twist with the ALP policy in 2014
New Vline High capacity trains - ALP is investing into planning to build these - reannouncement
Duplicating the Hurstbridge line from Greenborough to Eltham - ALP clearly funding planning works for this last budget - reannouncement

Is there anything new from them? Nil. East West Link was their pet project in 2014.
Oh yeah and guess what about the Airport Rail link in 2014 by the Liberals, yeah they basically never had a proper plan for that it was a pure election stunt.

ALP are probably going to announce more projects in the budget. One they promised is the Airport Rail link. They also want to build a light-rail to Rowville.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
We can keep ignoring the need for electrification as long as you like but it needs to happen.
That's a matter of opinion. certainly to Melton and Clyde, but to Ballarat I do not think so. You might get away with it to the Marsh, maybe.
trainbrain

IMO Bacchus Marsh is definitely on the cards as there's heaps of train stabling space there...whereas at Melton, the car parking has taken away any land for future train stabling.

Mike.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Opposition to make promises regarding 8 daily pax services to Shep.

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/article-28532/
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Opposition to make promises regarding 8 daily pax services to Shep.

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/article-28532/
x31

This is all good news and is not an unattainable election commitment by the Guy Opposition.

Guy wants to try and win Shepparton back for the Libs/Nats and transport is a sure vote winner. Let's see Jacinta now up the ante to match the Opposition's 'promise'.

I do use the word 'promise' advisedly in view of the former Baillieu/Napthine governments record on PT delivery.

Mike.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Perhaps Guy will employ consultants who will count the train arriving and the train departing as two separate services, thus accomplishing the election promise without a single cent of the $77 million being spent on actual construction.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Guy could not deliver a pizza.

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