Questions that you've always been too embarrassed to ask

 
  Donald Deputy Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
There was gold in them there hills.

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  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Why were the railways in Victoria originally built to such a high standards (in general) compared to the other states, in particular NSW and Qld.  
The Bendigo, Ballarat, Geelong lines in particular were all built to high speed standards yet in NSW and qld they weren't.  Despite in many places have easier topography.
tazzer96
The simple answer is population density.

Back in the day, the railways needed to reach most every small town, due lack of roads, cars, etc. To do that in Victoria is relatively easy, given the size of the state. NSW is much bigger, and Queensland is bigger again, hence the lower standards in those states.

The same appears to hold true to this day. Driving regional roads in Victoria, they seem much better maintained than those in NSW and certainly Queensland.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
id say geography too - getting out of Sydney required a lot of extra work than getting out of Melbourne - so the funds available could go into better quality track instead of building an alignment to deal with the grades.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I note in some recent Victorian posts references to 'Victoria Dock' in train origins/destinations.

What is the geographical relationship between Victoria Dock and Appleton Dock these days, please?
  Jack Le Lievre Junior Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
I note in some recent Victorian posts references to 'Victoria Dock' in train origins/destinations.

What is the geographical relationship between Victoria Dock and Appleton Dock these days, please?
YM-Mundrabilla
They both come off of the North & South Dock Lines and are basically next to each other. Victoria Dock, use to be operated by Westgate Port Services until QUBE bought them out. Appleton Dock has various operators including DP World, Patrick, ABA/AWB, and others.

http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/AR150.pdf

Jack
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I note in some recent Victorian posts references to 'Victoria Dock' in train origins/destinations.

What is the geographical relationship between Victoria Dock and Appleton Dock these days, please?
They both come off of the North & South Dock Lines and are basically next to each other. Victoria Dock, use to be operated by Westgate Port Services until QUBE bought them out. Appleton Dock has various operators including DP World, Patrick, ABA/AWB, and others.

http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/AR150.pdf

Jack
Jack Le Lievre
Thanks Jack.

Something else that I have learned for the day.
In effect the area serves the sole remaining Berth (24 ?) of the once mighty Victoria Dock.

(Must have overlooked it in the demise of the rest of Victoria Dock - must have some mate at Docklands that I can sell it to). Rolling Eyes
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: WW1 ended with Treaty of Versailles 28 June 1919
They both come off of the North & South Dock Lines and are basically next to each other. Victoria Dock, use to be operated by Westgate Port Services until QUBE bought them out. Appleton Dock has various operators including DP World, Patrick, ABA/AWB, and others.

http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/AR150.pdf

Jack
Jack Le Lievre

This discussion on ports led me to sort out the differences between Patrick Corrigan and Chris Corrigan as their similar business interests has led to my confusion. Wiki says they are unrelated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Corrigan_(businessman)
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The confusion arises because Chris Corrigan was Managing Director of Patrick Corporation. Patrick Corrigan is not connected to either.
  Dangersdan707 Deputy Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
When did the srhc aqurire gm 36 and who from
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
When did the srhc aqurire gm 36 and who from
Dangersdan707
Here you go dan, all on Comrails http://www.comrails.com/cr_locos/r_gm.html#36

GM36
Original Owner = Commonwealth Railways (CR)
Built by Clyde Engineering, Granville, NSW, builders No.66/445
Original Cost: "$254190"
11.5.1966 Entered service on TAR (CR)
14.2.1994 Stored Port Augusta.
Ownership transferred to Australian National Railways (ANR later AN)

8.1995 Sold to Seymour Railway Heritage Centre for $8500.
25.8.1995 Left on its delivery run to Seymour
  n459L1150 Junior Train Controller

Location: Echuca
1. Why do the railways refer to passengers as customers this always confused me.

2. What exactly is the difference between a tram and a Light Rail Vehicle, and when does a tram line become a light rail line?? (I kind of know this one but can't explain it to my mum easily)
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
1. Why do the railways refer to passengers as customers this always confused me.

2. What exactly is the difference between a tram and a Light Rail Vehicle, and when does a tram line become a light rail line?? (I kind of know this one but can't explain it to my mum easily)
"n459L1150"


1. It's PR Spin, designed to make us feel warm and valued.
2. I asked the same question a couple of years ago, and I'm still none the wiser. I'm blowed if I can see any significant difference.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
1. Why do the railways refer to passengers as customers this always confused me.

2. What exactly is the difference between a tram and a Light Rail Vehicle, and when does a tram line become a light rail line?? (I kind of know this one but can't explain it to my mum easily)


1. It's PR Spin, designed to make us feel warm and valued.
2. I asked the same question a couple of years ago, and I'm still none the wiser. I'm blowed if I can see any significant difference.
Valvegear
1. Yes it's spin, the railways see themselves as providing a service which the passenger uses (for a fee) so hence the passenger becomes a customer when he/she purchases the service (buys a ticket!)

2. I always looked on it as a tram runs on the streets (with other traffic eg cars) and Light rail runs on an exclusive corridor. However in most cases like the Gold Coast light rail and the Glenelg tram, the systems is a mix of both.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
1. Yes it's spin, the railways see themselves as providing a service which the passenger uses (for a fee) so hence the passenger becomes a customer when he/she purchases the service (buys a ticket!)
Pressman
I will add that it is also not something that is confined to rail, all forms of transport use this term.

Also, the term consumer is used as well - all three are in use.

Interestingly passenger is derived from the word passage.  Somewhere along the line the 'n' was added into it (along with other words like messenger and harbinger, Im not sure why though).
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
1. Why do the railways refer to passengers as customers this always confused me.

1. It's PR Spin, designed to make us feel warm and valued.
.
Valvegear

I feel warm and valued when the 06:32 turns up on time...
  michaelgm Chief Train Controller

Has been referred to here by people in the industry? Passengers/customers are called SLF. Self loading freight.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I feel warm and valued when the 06:32 turns up on time...
The Vinelander
Ah but does it arrive at it's destination on time? I would love to feel warm and valued however the 09.14 Dn Bendigo with it's perennial tardiness leaves me feeling cold and taken for granted more often than not!

BG

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