Inland Railway - Construction Phase

 
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Saying that Google will provide us with answers to acronyms is all very well, but how can we be sure that Google is giving us what the writer was trying to convey?

To take james.au's example of PTOS meaning Phoenix Electronic Train Order. Some writer may well have meant Public Transport Office Security. (Just how P T O S ends up as Phoenix Electronic Train Order baffles me).

The purpose of language is to communicate. This means that writers have some sort of obligation to use correct terminology instead of acronyms which we may or may not get right. The obvious, such as ARTC and NSW are in common use; PTOS is not.

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  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Saying that Google will provide us with answers to acronyms is all very well, but how can we be sure that Google is giving us what the writer was trying to convey?

To take james.au's example of PTOS meaning Phoenix Electronic Train Order. Some writer may well have meant Public Transport Office Security. (Just how P T O S ends up as Phoenix Electronic Train Order baffles me).

The purpose of language is to communicate. This means that writers have some sort of obligation to use correct terminology instead of acronyms which we may or may not get right. The obvious, such as ARTC and NSW are in common use; PTOS is not.
Valvegear
In the context of railway signalling your Public Transport Office Security makes no sense at all.

And, Phoenix Electronic Train Order System - simple.
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
In the context of railway signalling your Public Transport Office Security makes no sense at all.
"james.au"
Of course it doesn't - it was used as any old example of what could be. If I had a mind to do it, I could probably dream up something that is a possibility.

And, Phoenix Electronic Train Order System - simple.
"james.au"
No; not simple; in fact you have just demonstrated my point. You have changed the name from what you originally posted. "System" wasn't in there. First we had a four-letter acronym that didn't match; now we have a five-word name with a four-letter acronym, and it still doesn't make a lot of sense when it's not in common usage.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Attended an industry briefing for Inland Rail last week.  A few interesting points:

  • Comments from the executives that there is an existing connection to the Port of Brisbane - seemingly suggesting that they dont see that this is not a usable corridor/connection
  • When Victoria decides on the location for the WIFT, it will have a rail connection built to connect it to the Interstate
  • EOIs for the Queensland tunnel to go out by end of year
  • Tunnel construction in 2020
  • Diagrams showed single track for the tunnel
  • FIFO will be used for construction camps in regional NSW as towns probably wont be able to support the population increase (albeit short term)
  • Expected to be in service 2025 (lets hope
  • Comments on the Qld narrow gauge "they want to run a smaller network up there" suggesting/confirming that the Qld government is not deciding to move to SG (and it is their decision).
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Unfortunately, james.au still loves his acronyms.

According to Google;
WIFT = Women in Film and Television.
FIFO = First in; First Out.

Ho hum.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
' Comments from the executives that there is an existing connection to the port - seemingly suggesting that they dont see that this is not a usable corridor/connection'
To which Port are we referring, please?
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

' Comments from the executives that there is an existing connection to the port - seemingly suggesting that they dont see that this is not a usable corridor/connection'
To which Port are we referring, please?
YM-Mundrabilla
Brisbane makes sense, but conformation would be nice.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Unfortunately, james.au still loves his acronyms.

According to Google;
WIFT = Women in Film and Television.
FIFO = First in; First Out.
Ho hum.
Valvegear
I program PLC's {Programmable Logic Controllers} and HMI's {Human Machine Interface (or commonly know as a Touch Screen)} at work and often use the FIFO Instruction for data storage and Yes it means First In, First Out
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
' Comments from the executives that there is an existing connection to the port - seemingly suggesting that they dont see that this is not a usable corridor/connection'
To which Port are we referring, please?
Brisbane makes sense, but conformation would be nice.
duttonbay
Well, given that the Inland Railways is Melbourne to Brisbane, there is only a choice of two Ports
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
'suggesting that they don't see that this is not a usable corridor/connection'
Probably Brisbane as you say Duttonbay.  Didn't imagine that it was Melbourne - just wishful thinking, I suppose. Rolling Eyes
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
1. Sorry yes the port is Brisbane.  10 points for those who guessed.

2. Acronyms - please post your google search terms here and I will provide you with suggestions on how you can improve them to find the required results....
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Acronyms - please post your google search terms here and I will provide you with suggestions on how you can improve them to find the required results....
james.au


Search terms are:
WIFT
FIFO.

Now; I will provide you with a suggestion; instead of trying to be a clever dick, learn some basic communication skills, and spell out what you mean.
The idea that people should be forced to search to find out what you mean, smacks of arrogance.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Acronyms - please post your google search terms here and I will provide you with suggestions on how you can improve them to find the required results....


Search terms are:
WIFT
FIFO.

Now; I will provide you with a suggestion; instead of trying to be a clever dick, learn some basic communication skills, and spell out what you mean.
The idea that people should be forced to search to find out what you mean, smacks of arrogance on your part.
Valvegear

Ok.  I dont know which of these I should be more surprised at you needing help with.

Enter "WIFT Victoria railway" into google and through context you can eliminate any reference to Women in Film and Television.  In my search the second result brings up the Key Freight Projects on the Transport for Victoria webpage, and on this, with a little bit of scrolling, you will find reference to the Western Intermodal Freight Terminal.  The WIFT.

I expect anyone with history on these boards should know of this project.

FIFO I thought would have been more obvious.  But add construction to your search terms and you will see reference to many FIFO jobs for Fly In Fly Out workers which in our regional areas with large mining or construction projects have become (rightly or wrongly) fundamental parts of the labour force.

I dont think I am a clever dick but in a forum with adults and with many of the people here having industry experience and knowledge, I don't expect to exert some basic effort and spoon feed people either.  

(I guess ive done well to get this far on RP without getting into too many scrapes, its about time i had one huh?!)
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I expect anyone with history on these boards should know of this project.
james.au
Thanks for your reply.  Your expectation is wrong; I know of the proposed project, but have no detail. Rule 1; never expect that your target audience knows a lot about the subject.

FIFO I thought would have been more obvious.  But add construction to your search terms and you will see reference to many FIFO jobs for Fly In Fly Out workers which in our regional areas with large mining or construction projects have become (rightly or wrongly) fundamental parts of the labour force.
james.au
"FIFO will be used for construction camps" is exactly what you wrote. FIFO is not used for construction camps at all. FIFO applies to the labour force. It's no wonder you confuse people.

I dont think I am a clever dick but in a forum with adults and with many of the people here having industry experience and knowledge, I don't expect to exert some basic effort and spoon feed people either.
james.au
"I don't expect to exert some basic effort", says it all. I have 55 years of industry experience, none of which is rail related (rail volunteering has been a hobby only); two months of which was in a camp in PNG which did not operate on FIFO; and the whole of which has been in industrial plants Australia-wide with some overseas travel thrown in. When I communicate with people, I expect to exert effort, and I assume that they know nothing of what I want to say until it is proven otherwise. I make damn sure they understand every word, and I take care to use proper terminology, correct English, and the KISS system (try looking that one up.)
I commend this very basic  idea to you.

Edit at 0815, 21/05/18: In case you want to query "55 years of experience" I am 77 and still work 0700 to 1430, four days a week.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Well said Valvegear.

A few keystrokes will not cause anyone RSI ('Repetitive Strain Injury') which, of course, has long since gone out of fashion anyway.
Railpage covers a diverse range of topics and is read by people worldwide. If one intends to be informative to the audience at large their language should be in the vernacular.

Edit added to the foregoing at 0110 on 21/5.

I have just been reading some of the notes recorded following the tragic Harrow and Wealdstone collision on 8 October 1952. These notes contain numbers of acronyms/abbreviations which, no doubt, meant everything to those directly involved at the time but here, 66 years later, mean absolutely nothing to anyone especially here in the Colonies anyway.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Thanks for both responses.  

Im not going to escalate the disagreement further - though I could rebut many points raised, this wouldn't be productive.

I will say though that Im not going to change how I post.  If you have clarifications on what I post, feel free to ask me what they are I'll explain.
  michaelgm Chief Train Controller

First time I saw LOL, thought it meant lots of luck!

It's a requirement that I function using the KISS principal.Laughing
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
If you have clarifications on what I post, feel free to ask me what they are I'll explain.
"james.au"
Gents; I think he means if we need clarification. ( I do like to help him.)
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
If you have clarifications on what I post, feel free to ask me what they are I'll explain.
Gents; I think he means if we need clarification. ( I do like to help him.)
Valvegear
I was willing to let this discussion end.......
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I was willing to let this discussion end.......
"james.au"
OK by me.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
Moving right along Wink  here's a link to a video of the Tomingley West bridge replacement on the Parkes tp Narromine section.



https://youtu.be/gh3lIeJwlIQ
  fzr560 Train Controller

8832N to Parkes from the Coonamble branch running via Orange tonight. 'Not sure if the triangle is serviceable or not.

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