Malcolm Turncoat's imploding act

 
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
It’s hardly surprising the groups mentioned would support No Notion as the same groups in the US flock to Trump. Nothing new there, just like the 1930’s and the resurgence of the Far right in many countries now. It’ll keep that woman in a job but won’t make any real difference to their lot although it might make them feel better. Just check out her voting record in the senate and her attitude to welfare.

I’m not sold on growth at all cost but you can’t blame immigration for everything. An aging population will contribute less and less to the economy whilst drawing exponentially more from it. The natural birth rate won’t make up for that. What 'Solution' this time?
You're invoking Hitler - because of that I can't take you seriously (Godwin's Law).

And we've had this argument before, Groundrelay. If the major parties were addressing the problems of the populace Pauline would not exist. The fact that she's growing stronger shows that the Labor/LNP parties are ignoring the needs of the electorate.
Nice speech but again you ignore reality. I’m not happy with the influence of foreigners domestically but tell that to the farmers getting record prices for wool. The difference between us Don, I understand why you can't live on $40 a day but I’m not deluding myself that some great white hope will change anything.
No, it's deluded people like you who ignore the reality. We are dealing with a very dangerous one-party state that thinks nothing of shooting thousands of unarmed civilians and then covering it up. We might be economically gaining from China but if we're required to steadily give up our freedoms and rights for the sake of appeasing the Party then stuff them. I'm not prepared to let our history of democracy and liberty be ridden over roughshod just like the tanks at Tienanmen Square, I take my freedom to do things exactly like what I'm doing right now seriously. If I was in China I'd be in a re-education camp for years just for posting this - not here. Not yet anyway.

Even if they cut us off economically 100% we would still continue to exist, will will endure. The Japanese tried to starve us out and couldn't - the Chinese will also fail if they try to bully us but if you're happy to sell out our history for some temporary prosperity then that's your choice, not mine.
Pauline provides simplistic answers to complex problems. I am not sure whether she is a complete dill or that she is deliberately misleading her followers for her own political benefit. Probably a bit of both. I really cannot stand the sight of the dumb ugly women.
nswtrains
I'm not buying into this argument, but I'm surprised that no one here has picked up on the word "ugly".  A person's personal or physical appearance has absolutely nothing to do with the validity, quality (or otherwise) of what he or she is saying.

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  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Anyway... you are way over-estimating the influence and importance of fringe politics in Australia - and anyway, I'd say that if you looked at Pauline now you'd have to say she was more representing the mainstream of average Australians...
don_dunstan
No, as I’ve pointed out before most people vote for anyone else. There will always be those who aren’t happy with their lot and need to blame others. The sort of people who think Indians are good shots because they’re Muslim and therefore terrorists. They’ll vote for their great white hope regardless.

Circumstances have given this woman far more importance than she warrants. She can say anything because she doesn’t need to compromise or deliver. Most of her 'policies' are underpinned by her pathological bitterness, that bigotry which is her ugliness. If either major party regains control of the senate she becomes irrelevant even if certain sections of the media keep feeding her oxygen.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Malcolm has hit the campaign trail on behalf of blow-in Georgina Downer who is contesting her dad's old seat of Mayo in the by-election to be held on the 28th of July (SBS);

Ms Downer has already met with some controversy over her previous comments, as a policy researcher with a right-wing think tank, about SA getting more than its fair share of the GST.

Mr Turnbull will soon release a Productivity Commission report on the GST carve-up and the government's response.

South Australia is concerned any extra revenue given to states such as WA - which have heavily complained about the GST formula - will short-change residents.

The prime minister is expected to keep up pressure on Labor to pass personal income tax cuts and tax relief for businesses.

Mayo is one of five seats heading to by-elections on July 28.

A friend of mine who lives on Kangaroo Island (in the electorate of Mayo) says their sitting MP Rebekha Sharkie has supposedly done a good job and he'll be voting for her again - her electorate office is particularly helpful apparently.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Circumstances have given this woman far more importance than she warrants. She can say anything because she doesn’t need to compromise or deliver. Most of her 'policies' are underpinned by her pathological bitterness, that bigotry which is her ugliness. If either major party regains control of the senate she becomes irrelevant even if certain sections of the media keep feeding her oxygen.
Groundrelay
I can't think of any other legitimate way of expressing my disgust at the major parties other than voting for an independent or for Pauline. I do try - I voted for Xenophon in the SA state election earlier this year but it seemed to have nil impact - that dolt Steven Marshall still got to become Premier. Now for four years of "nothing ever happens in SA" again. I hated Jay Weatherill but at least he got things built... anyway. My other thought recently has been to throw my vote in the bin after I get my name cross off the electoral roll - you're allowed to do whatever you want with it after they give it to you.

I can never, ever vote for the Labor or Greens parties again, they're a core part of the problem. Mainstream politics - being the LNP, Labor and Greens parties - are the ones setting the narrow agenda of what we're allowed to discuss and anything outside of that gets shouted down with political correctness cliches. For example the massive number of migrants flooding Sydney and Melbourne every year isn't allowed to be questioned (or its equated with racism). Why? Especially galling given the Greens are supposedly for the environment but they're all in favour of expanding urban settlement in Australia by increasing the refugee intake on top of the migrant intake - the existing eastern seaboard cities are already struggling with water and they want to make the problem worse. They're idiots.

Even things like the Chinese Communist Party's influence in Australia is something that many Labor MP's are trying to repress public discussion of - witness Bob Carr's efforts last week to influence Shorten's cabinet by getting new Labor Senator Kristina Keneally to ask questions in parliament, Mark Dreyfuss being another one who has gone into bat for not upsetting the totalitarian communists. Just how much complicity has the CCP bought from the Labor Party over the years?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

My other thought recently has been to throw my vote in the bin after I get my name cross off the electoral roll - you're allowed to do whatever you want with it after they give it to you.
don_dunstan
I would highly recommend not putting your ballot papers in the bin, for a number of reasons.

1. You are not allowed to do whatever you want with them, you are required to cast your votes. If you marched straight across the polling place and put your ballot papers in the bin, the polling official who issued your ballot papers would make a note of your name and make a report to the officer in charge which can result in you getting an expiation notice for not voting.

2. It's a dick move to do to the polling officials, as it will make it impossible for them to balance ballot papers issued vs ballot papers counted at the end of the night. It's not their problem that none of the local candidates met your approval and you were too lazy to stand yourself.

3. Taking a few seconds to cast an informal vote (leave it blank, draw a line through it, draw a dick, write a message, add an extra box labelled 'they're all wankers' or whatever) is a far better option for expressing your frustration. This is the superior option for your situation, because the number of informal votes is counted and reported while discarded ballot papers are not.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Interesting dilemma in Perth - even people of Asian heritage can't use the expression "ching chong" (Telegraph Australia);

A burger joint has come under fire for being racist after naming one of its patties with a defamatory term given to Asians.

The 'Ching Chong burger' at Johnny's Burgers in Perth has caused controversy for it's racially insensitive name. In a Facebook post the owner, Johnny Wong, said the burger had been on the menu for three years and is inspired by his Malaysian roots.

But local Lisa Chappell has stated an online petition to see the name removed, labelling it as offensive. 'Johnny's Burger joint serves up an extra side dish that is frowned upon by many. Racism!' she said.  'The offensively named Ching Chong Burger has sat proudly on Johnny's menu for many years, however enough is enough! Help us stand up to racism and force Johnny's Burger Joint to remove this burger from their laminated menus.'  

Ms Chappell visited the restaurant in April and was disgusted to find 'The Ching Chong' burger on the menu. The mother-of two says she had wanted to leave after she saw it but her children had already opened their drinks.

Gosh, she sounds like a bit of a sensitive flower, doesn't she?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Ms Chappell visited the restaurant in April and was disgusted to find 'The Ching Chong' burger on the menu. The mother-of two says she had wanted to leave after she saw it but her children had already opened their drinks.
don_dunstan
So pay for their drinks and leave! Rolling Eyes

Simples Wink
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I would highly recommend not putting your ballot papers in the bin, for a number of reasons.
justapassenger
My late dad did it on at least two occasions that I can remember to express his disgust at Bob Hawke and as far as I recall the AEC people thought it was funny.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Ms Chappell visited the restaurant in April and was disgusted to find 'The Ching Chong' burger on the menu. The mother-of two says she had wanted to leave after she saw it but her children had already opened their drinks.
So pay for their drinks and leave! Rolling Eyes

Simples Wink
Pressman
It ain't rocket science, that would have been the obvious answer. Some people go through life looking for things to be offended by - and she's white (or at least has an Anglo sounding name) so why does she think its her job to take on a Chinese Malay restaurant owner over his choice of words on his menu?

Why not just ban all language in case it offends someone!
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Interesting dilemma in Perth - even people of Asian heritage can't use the expression "ching chong" (Telegraph Australia);

A burger joint has come under fire for being racist after naming one of its patties with a defamatory term given to Asians.

The 'Ching Chong burger' at Johnny's Burgers in Perth has caused controversy for it's racially insensitive name. In a Facebook post the owner, Johnny Wong, said the burger had been on the menu for three years and is inspired by his Malaysian roots.

But local Lisa Chappell has stated an online petition to see the name removed, labelling it as offensive. 'Johnny's Burger joint serves up an extra side dish that is frowned upon by many. Racism!' she said.  'The offensively named Ching Chong Burger has sat proudly on Johnny's menu for many years, however enough is enough! Help us stand up to racism and force Johnny's Burger Joint to remove this burger from their laminated menus.'  

Ms Chappell visited the restaurant in April and was disgusted to find 'The Ching Chong' burger on the menu. The mother-of two says she had wanted to leave after she saw it but her children had already opened their drinks.

Gosh, she sounds like a bit of a sensitive flower, doesn't she?
don_dunstan
Why is it that almost all (PC speak for all, just in case) of these people who are so offended in so many ways by just about everything such as this menu, pedestrian traffic lights and the like are female many of whom are in government funded 'fringe' jobs and/or universities?

Perhaps they should find something 'real' to do.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
"Ching Chong" is used by a man of Asian descent about something pertaining to his heritage. It's not used in any insulting or derogatory sense, but this silly bat has to go looking for trouble where there isn't any. What a pity she doesn't put her hyperactive brain to use on something worthwhile.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
I would highly recommend not putting your ballot papers in the bin, for a number of reasons.
My late dad did it on at least two occasions that I can remember to express his disgust at Bob Hawke and as far as I recall the AEC people thought it was funny.
don_dunstan
I doubt this. I worked as a polling official when I still lived in Australia. It was usual in our roster of duties to spend an hour standing near the bin and watch what was thrown into it. Then, as stated previously, if our numbers did not tally we had to empty the bins and see if there were any discarded ballots there. Much better to just put an empty ballot form into the correct box. People also write Donald Duck or stupid comments. I can tell you that at the end of a very long day, those of us counting do not bother to read them but just place them on the informal stack.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I agree with Brianr. I have been a scrutineer at many elections, and accounting for all the ballot papers which were issued is enough, without d-heads complicating things by dropping their papers in the rubbish bin.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Might have been that he purposely put it in the box blank - not a direct witness.

Exclusive Brethren and Jehovah's Witnesses are conscientious objectors - what do they do? They must still be on the electoral roll.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Putting a blank ballot paper into the box is no problem at all to electoral officials and scrutineers; it can be accounted for.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Might have been that he purposely put it in the box blank - not a direct witness.

Exclusive Brethren and Jehovah's Witnesses are conscientious objectors - what do they do? They must still be on the electoral roll.
don_dunstan
https://www.aec.gov.au/Enrolling_to_vote/pdf/forms/objection/er005aw-0117.pdf

I think they would simply not enrole to vote, problem solved.

As someone who was enrolled but stopped voting, no one has sent me or my wife a letter for a please explain. I think we maybe no longer enrolled, really have no idea but either way still no letter.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

There's only been one time I voted informally and put sad faces on the ballot paper.  That was the 1996 Vic State election when Kennett's cutbacks and faith in a casino was one choice, and voting for the turkeys who nearly bankrupted the joint was the other.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Exclusive Brethren and Jehovah's Witnesses are conscientious objectors - what do they do? They must still be on the electoral roll.
don_dunstan
Actually, they are mostly not on the electoral roll because they don't enrol in the first place.

Voting is only compulsory once a person is enrolled.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I'll stand corrected, but I thought that all eligible citizens were compelled to enrol.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
There's only been one time I voted informally and put sad faces on the ballot paper.  That was the 1996 Vic State election when Kennett's cutbacks and faith in a casino was one choice, and voting for the turkeys who nearly bankrupted the joint was the other.
Carnot
Agree but all we did was put off the evil day.
Now we have a casino full of turkeys.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

I'll stand corrected, but I thought that all eligible citizens were compelled to enrol.
Valvegear
Valvegear, I didn't enroll to vote until about 24. An issue I felt strongly enough about to have a say.
No repercussions.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Didn't see Barnaby's exclusive interview with Channel Seven last night but here's the synopisis (via ABC);

Barnaby Joyce has admitted he knew when his partner became pregnant in mid-2017 that he would lose his job as deputy prime minister. But he went on to fight a by-election without revealing his personal situation...Ms Campion told the program she had taken a pregnancy test in the winter of 2017.

"I'll be frank. I don't believe in abortion. I knew at that point that I was going to lose my job as deputy prime minister," Mr Joyce said.

The former deputy PM contested a by-election triggered by his dual citizenship in December. After his re-election, he announced he had separated from his wife...

...The program did not question Mr Joyce about the jobs Ms Campion was given in other Nationals MPs' offices.

It did not delve into how public money was spent on their travel while she was working for him and also in a relationship with him.

So it's all about him: It didn't trouble him to keep telling lies to his family, his electorate, the public last year for months on end - as long as he got to keep his job for the longest period of time possible. Frankly given these revelations he should be dis-endorsed as the Nationals candidate for New England at the next election - he's not only dishonest but he regularly does so for personal gain. He can't be trusted.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Actually, they are mostly not on the electoral roll because they don't enrol in the first place.

Voting is only compulsory once a person is enrolled.
justapassenger
I'm not sure if you are right about this - all Aussie adults must be on the electoral roll although you can get away with not registering it isn't legal. Jehovah's Witnesses in particular would be following the letter of the law (as they're apt to do). Also its not compulsory to actually vote but it is compulsory to get your name ticked off the electoral roll once you're on it.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
I have always voted since my first election at age 22 in 1966. I feel that if you do not vote you have no right to complain, surely one group is better than another. I have Government as a subject in my university degree so have always been interested in the process.
I do not know the process but believe there is some mechanism for JWs etc to be exempted from voting. There was once, before I took work as a polling official when I received a please explain for not voting. I was incensed as I had spent the whole day handing out how to vote cards outside the polling station and was sure I had taken the time to vote. I wrote a letter stating this and heard no more.

When I emigrated to NZ, I wrote to the AEC stating I had left Australia and did not intend to return permanently.  I would have been happy to vote in Federal elections but have no interest in State or Local anymore.
Within 2 months of arriving in NZ I received a letter telling me to enrol. In NZ it is compulsory to enrol but not to vote. However 79% voted in the last national election (only 69% of 18 to 24 year olds). US has about 55% total in presidential elections.
As a permanent resident in NZ I had to enrol and had the right to vote after one year. Now that I am a NZ citizen, I will only lose the right to vote if I am absent from the country for more than 3 years. Although I return to Australia at least once, usually twice each year, I do not have the right to vote. US citizens never lose the right to vote.
Voting in NZ is so simple. You go to the polling station, there is no one hassling you at the door as it is against the law to hand out voting material after midnight before Polling day and all advertising material must be removed from streets and buildings.
You are given two ballot papers requiring just 2 ticks, one for your local electorate member and one for the party of your choice.
Od course no state elections but local elections are more complicated for city council, regional council and district health board but they are postal (internet is still being discussed as to security). The percentage voting is much lower (mid 40's %)
Must be doing something right as we have the most delightful Prime Minister and even though I did not agree with the views of her predecessors John Key and Bill English I did not dislike them as persons.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Speaking of PC i.e the Political Circus Rolling Eyes

Political Clown Joyce determined to dig himself and his new family into a deeper hole. As for Seven’s probing interview uncovering Potential Corruption, Woman’s Weekly could have done better.

Political Clueless Hanson  "It's my party and I'll cry if I want to"

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