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      ianb26 Station Master

    I purchased the following locomotive - pictured - at Waverley Model Railway Exhibition on Sunday and would like to know what class it is. I have checked photos on Google and am assuming it is a class 42, but a lot of the photos depict the roof fans as 2x2, whereas the model has a "straightline" setup of 1x4. The description on the seller's price tag has it listed as "NSW Candy Diesel Locomotive - F3A".

    Can anyone help me regards Class number and how many there were in the class, as the model does not have any road numbers on it.

    Thanks in advance.

    PS Can't find how to upload photo from my computer. Clicking on insert image requires a URL.

    OOOPPPPS Didn't realise I had to have a Flickr account to upload a photo. Hopefully my description of the seller's price label can help. Soory to be a "pain".
    Posted: 12 Jun 2018 13:09

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      dthead Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Sounds like a American repaint, thus totally incorrect.  Does it have 4 axles or 6 ( ie a 8 wheeler or a 12 wheeler - Bo BO or Co CO)

    if a Bo Bo yes it is a cheap american repaint that has nothing in common (appearance wise) apart from perhaps the paint colour..

    Regards,
    David Head
    Posted: 12 Jun 2018 13:13
      ianb26 Station Master

    Hi thanks for the quick reply. It came in while I was editing the post! It is an 8 wheeler. Tried to add photo from Flickr, but you can see what the result of that was!
    Posted: 12 Jun 2018 13:39
      nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

    Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/165196787@N06/41845654545/sizes/m/
    Posted: 12 Jun 2018 14:09

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      ianb26 Station Master

    Thanks for that. Laughing How did you do it?
    Posted: 12 Jun 2018 14:21
      ianb26 Station Master

    My original post does not appear to be answered properly. All I need to know is what Class this is, is it supposed to be a Class 42 or something else. How many locomotives were in this class?

    I apologise if this sounded offensive, but all I want to do is number my loco for DCC purposes.

    Thank you.
    Posted: 13 Jun 2018 12:02

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      brissim Chief Train Controller

    My original post does not appear to be answered properly. All I need to know is what Class this is, is it 42 or something else. How many locomotives were in this class?

    I apologise if this sounded offensive, but all I want to do is number my loco for DCC purposes.

    Thank you.
    ianb26
    It has been answered above. This is not a NSWR 42 Class loco. It is a repaint of an American loco - a F7A I think - in NSW Candy colours. While the body shape is similar it has a totally different fan arrangement on the roof and is only an 4-axle loco (the 42 Class has 6 axles). And believe me - no 42 Class was ever painted in candy colours - completely different eras.

    Having said that, there's nothing wrong with a bit of artistic licence and you can number it what ever you want.

    Tony

    Edit - I stand corrected - as per your original post its a model of an American EMD F3A painted in candy colours.
    Posted: 13 Jun 2018 12:14

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      ianb26 Station Master

    OK, thank you for that. Being from Victoria I'm not all that familiar with NSW locos. It's just that I found some NSW loco photos on Google and there was 1 or 2 that looked very similar. I have been wrapped in that style of EMD locos ever since VR introduced them in the 50s with the B Class.

    Sorry for sounding a bit arrogant in my previous posts, but I was getting a bit stressed trying to match my purchase with the "real thing". Fancy a model railway loco getting a person stressed! I will take artistic licence and create "my own class". I think I will make it a "423 class" Laughing

    Thanks again for your help.
    Posted: 13 Jun 2018 16:21
      Piston Train Controller

    OK, thank you for that. Being from Victoria I'm not all that familiar with NSW locos. It's just that I found some NSW loco photos on Google and there was 1 or 2 that looked very similar. I have been wrapped in that style of EMD locos ever since VR introduced them in the 50s with the B Class.

    Sorry for sounding a bit arrogant in my previous posts, but I was getting a bit stressed trying to match my purchase with the "real thing". Fancy a model railway loco getting a person stressed! I will take artistic licence and create "my own class". I think I will make it a "423 class" Laughing

    Thanks again for your help.
    ianb26
    You had better pick another loco number, there was a 423 class and your one looks nothing like it!
    Posted: 13 Jun 2018 16:40
      ianb26 Station Master

    OK, thanks. I might go off class and make it "Class 70". Is that Class taken? Or any suggestions? I might even make it a class exclusive to my layout. Hawthorn Valley Railway. Laughing
    Posted: 13 Jun 2018 16:46

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      petan Chief Commissioner

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    OK, thank you for that. Being from Victoria I'm not all that familiar with NSW locos. It's just that I found some NSW loco photos on Google and there was 1 or 2 that looked very similar. I have been wrapped in that style of EMD locos ever since VR introduced them in the 50s with the B Class.

    Sorry for sounding a bit arrogant in my previous posts, but I was getting a bit stressed trying to match my purchase with the "real thing". Fancy a model railway loco getting a person stressed! I will take artistic licence and create "my own class". I think I will make it a "423 class" Laughing
    ianb26

    You mentioned the double cab VR B class, well, the single cab version of the B class is very similar to the VR S class, the NSW 42 class and the Commonwealth Railways GM class.  There are many differences between each but the external body is vaguely similar enough that many folk have repainted models of one into another without too many complaints from the nit pickers.

    423 class has been taken already sorry as it is a standard gauge convert of a QLD diesel and operating on the Hunter Valley coal traffic https://www.railpage.com.au/locos/423-class

    421 class has also been taken as it is has a streamlined cab like the 42 class on one end and a fully functioning flat cab on the other end. The 422 class also taken and it has fully functioning flat cabs at each end plus the next generation GM diesel.

    As for trying to match your purchase with the "real thing", regardless of what you manage, someone termed a nit picker will find fault with your work while everyone else will celebrate the fact you did it your way and had enjoyment in the process.

    Class 70 also taken and is a NSW small shunt loco. I do like your idea of making it a class exclusive to your layout. Hawthorn Valley Railway
    Posted: 13 Jun 2018 16:50

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      c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

    Location: in the cuckoos nest
    Hello ianb26,

    Always remember that it is YOUR model railway.  You don't have to answer to any modeller other than yourself.

    Because it is your railway, HVR, why not label it as an HVR 42 Class, say 4207. The NSWGR locos were numbered 4201 to 4206 only.

    Another option could be an HVR B class, say B26 (playing on your group name).

    Over to you.

    Happy numbering,

    John
    Posted: 13 Jun 2018 18:13
      ianb26 Station Master

    Hi c3526blue,

    Thanks for your comments. I like the idea of "B26". It doesn't encroach on VR numbering as the original "B Class" started at B60 - I think, or was it B61? Anyway I would have to refer to VR archives, WELL IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO! Smile So B26 it will be!

    Hi petan,

    I have the Lima version of S315, as well as a Triang R159A/R250A double ended but there is a bit of work to be done to get it running on DCC. The first - & only time - I put it on the track there was a dead short before even to start to control it due to the all metal bogie. I'm not to prepared to do a DCC conversion of it myself, even if it is feasible to do it. So I guess I will have to save the dollars to get it done for me.

    The S315 runs well on DCC. I have a couple of BR locos to be converted to DCC as well, so they will have to wait in the queue. I also have another British diesel very, very similar to the NSW Class 4x series in the NSW colours. (Triang R357, It did have a running number on it that looks like Class 422)

    Thanks for all the comments from others. I won't let the nitpickers get to me. I'll just ignore them. As was said, it is MY railway and I will do as I please!

    Sorry about my rambling on,

    Ian
    Posted: 14 Jun 2018 00:29
      dthead Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    `A great outcome, when I read your original post I hoped you would be ok when finding out what the loco was, ie not a Australian model but a repaitn of an American  loco.   To see it to be used and run is great - it's your Railway !

    Regards,
    David Head
    Posted: 14 Jun 2018 09:07
      ianb26 Station Master

    Thank you, all I have to do now is get some Letraset - is that still around - to letter it. Failing that the old Dymo Letratag machine and clear tape will be put to work.

    Ian
    Posted: 14 Jun 2018 11:41
      ianb26 Station Master

    After a long think, I'm going to make it a Class exclusive to my Railway, therefore it is going to be a "D Class - number 26"

    I purchased a NCE DA-SR decoder for it yesterday. I have found the manufacturer's name - POWERLINE, and it is a LINKLINE Model F3A.

    Ian
    Posted: 01 Jul 2018 00:55

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      ianb26 Station Master

    I have another query - if it should be started as another topic please let me know - but I want to know how to replace the Powerline couplings with Kadee couplings. I have tried to remove the present couplings, but can't work out how they come out. At the moment I have the body shell off to add a decoder, but looking at the couplers more closely, there doesn't appear to be any way to get them out! Sad

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Ian
    Posted: 01 Jul 2018 14:10

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