Sea Lake and Manangatang standardisation

 
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Kickstarting this thread given its probably time to add this to our list of threads about the project Wink

Im noting elsewhere that a PN BG grain train has been sitting in Bendigo for the last couple of weeks.  Is this because PN doesnt have the work for the rake on these two lines (or elsewhere)?  How much is left on the lines to move - I would have thought that they would be looking to get all they can out given these lines are supposed to start going soon.  Given that Dunolly-Gheringhap is still very much BG I would assume that there is track capacity for it.

Also, can anyone update us on if there is any occupancies programmed on the line to start these works?

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  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Would think it unlikely PN would store a rake or two in Bendigo yard for lines via Ballarat.  This would be for the Swanhill and Echuca Lines remembering PN lost the Kensington Business.  Are these lines still on hold for conversion?
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Would think it unlikely PN would store a rake or two in Bendigo yard for lines via Ballarat.  This would be for the Swanhill and Echuca Lines remembering PN lost the Kensington Business.  Are these lines still on hold for conversion?
x31
The only conversion talk about Echuca and Swan Hill has been the Gunzel foam variety.

And they have nothing to do with the subject matter in any case, so discuss it elsewhere if you must.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Kickstarting this thread given its probably time to add this to our list of threads about the project Wink

Im noting elsewhere that a PN BG grain train has been sitting in Bendigo for the last couple of weeks.  Is this because PN doesnt have the work for the rake on these two lines (or elsewhere)?  How much is left on the lines to move - I would have thought that they would be looking to get all they can out given these lines are supposed to start going soon.  Given that Dunolly-Gheringhap is still very much BG I would assume that there is track capacity for it.

Also, can anyone update us on if there is any occupancies programmed on the line to start these works?
james.au
It's now loaded (from Piangil) and sitting in Bgo yard and will be heading South to Melb before too long.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Would think it unlikely PN would store a rake or two in Bendigo yard for lines via Ballarat.  This would be for the Swanhill and Echuca Lines remembering PN lost the Kensington Business.  Are these lines still on hold for conversion?
The only conversion talk about Echuca and Swan Hill has been the Gunzel foam variety.

And they have nothing to do with the subject matter in any case, so discuss it elsewhere if you must.
mikesyd

I could have worded that a little better.  I was speaking about the two lines in the subject of the thread. not the lines from Bendigo. Please accept my apology.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
SSR loading at Manangatang on Saturday.

Possibly at Nullawil the following weekend.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
SSR loading at Manangatang on Saturday.

Possibly at Nullawil the following weekend.
bingley hall

BH is this export grain or domestic use?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
SSR loading at Manangatang on Saturday.

Possibly at Nullawil the following weekend.

BH is this export grain or domestic use?
bevans

Generally SSR BG grain trains go to Kensington for domestic use.

However, I think these two will be for export via Appleton.
  cbinyon Chief Train Controller

Location: London, England
So at this rate the Sea Lake line may be running again by harvest time but it seems unlikely manangatang will as they are staggering the works starting with Sealake to Nullawill.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

I predict that this time next year these two lines will still be Broad Guage.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I predict that this time next year these two lines will still be Broad Guage.
trainbrain

Agreed.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
I predict that this time next year these two lines will still be Broad Guage.
trainbrain
Thankfully Yes,
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
SSR loading at Manangatang on Saturday.

Possibly at Nullawil the following weekend.
bingley hall

Nullawil not happening now - Mitiamo instead.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
I predict that this time next year these two lines will still be Broad Guage.
Thankfully Yes,
Dangersdan707

Why is Standard Gauge such a problem?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I predict that this time next year these two lines will still be Broad Guage.
Thankfully Yes,

Why is Standard Gauge such a problem?
Greensleeves
This is Victoria the ancestral home of the BG.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I predict that this time next year these two lines will still be Broad Guage.
Thankfully Yes,

Why is Standard Gauge such a problem?
This is Victoria the ancestral home of the BG.
YM-Mundrabilla
I thought Ireland was Rolling Eyes ?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Scotland was apparently, for a 5ft6 BG.
Ireland was for the 5ft3 BG.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad-gauge_railway

@Greensleeves, do you see more variation of loco types on BG or SG?
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Scotland was apparently, for a 5ft6 BG.
Ireland was for the 5ft3 BG.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad-gauge_railway

@Greensleeves, do you see more variation of loco types on BG or SG?
james.au

A quick look at the current Western Vic. bulk operations will show

SG:
     PN: 81's, BL/G's, the occasional T and X's
     QUBE: 830/48's, 80's, CM's, and VL's
     SSR: GM's, B61, RL302 and soon 442s5

BG:
     PN: BL/G's and XR's, plus the occasional appearance of H1/P20/T400 or the X's
     SSR: B75, S's and T's


And that's before you even consider what other operators may bring to the table- CFCLA have plenty of locos sitting idle at Goulburn (C's, EL's, GL's, CF's etc.) and who's to say GWA won't one day look to the Murray Basin and start running a couple of trains from there with CLF/CLP's, ALF's, 22's etc.

From an operators' side, it'd be a LOT easier to get rollingstock for SG operations than for BG. Just give CFCLA a call and get them in, they're right to go and you don't have to worry about gauge converting a heap of wagons and locos.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I predict that this time next year these two lines will still be Broad Guage.
Thankfully Yes,

Why is Standard Gauge such a problem?
This is Victoria the ancestral home of the BG.
I thought Ireland was Rolling Eyes ?
Carnot
True, but here in Oz. Smile
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I predict that this time next year these two lines will still be Broad Guage.
Thankfully Yes,

Why is Standard Gauge such a problem?
This is Victoria the ancestral home of the BG.
YM-Mundrabilla
And also the ancestral home of Not Invented Here.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Scotland was apparently, for a 5ft6 BG.
Ireland was for the 5ft3 BG.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad-gauge_railway

@Greensleeves, do you see more variation of loco types on BG or SG?

A quick look at the current Western Vic. bulk operations will show

SG:
     PN: 81's, BL/G's, the occasional T and X's
     QUBE: 830/48's, 80's, CM's, and VL's
     SSR: GM's, B61, RL302 and soon 442s5

BG:
     PN: BL/G's and XR's, plus the occasional appearance of H1/P20/T400 or the X's
     SSR: B75, S's and T's


And that's before you even consider what other operators may bring to the table- CFCLA have plenty of locos sitting idle at Goulburn (C's, EL's, GL's, CF's etc.) and who's to say GWA won't one day look to the Murray Basin and start running a couple of trains from there with CLF/CLP's, ALF's, 22's etc.

From an operators' side, it'd be a LOT easier to get rollingstock for SG operations than for BG. Just give CFCLA a call and get them in, they're right to go and you don't have to worry about gauge converting a heap of wagons and locos.
Greensleeves
You also Forgot Qube Logistics with
-the Pair of VLs
-The Qube and CFCLA G class
-CFCLA, Steamrail and SRHC Ts
-The 2 Preserved S class and the 'preserved' X31
-SSR's B75, SRHC B7? and The CFCLA Bs

and By the Way, I love Your videos they are Excellent Smile
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I predict that this time next year these two lines will still be Broad Guage.
Thankfully Yes,

Why is Standard Gauge such a problem?
Greensleeves
Don't feed the Troll! Laughing

BG
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
You also Forgot Qube Logistics with
-the Pair of VLs
-The Qube and CFCLA G class
-CFCLA, Steamrail and SRHC Ts
-The 2 Preserved S class and the 'preserved' X31
-SSR's B75, SRHC B7? and The CFCLA Bs

and By the Way, I love Your videos they are Excellent Smile
Dangersdan707

The QUBE BG grain has made its' last run, with the hoppers sat in Tottenham Yard awaiting gauge conversion (whenever AWB/Cargill decide to get around to it).

Thanks!
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
I predict that this time next year these two lines will still be Broad Guage.
Thankfully Yes,

Why is Standard Gauge such a problem?
Greensleeves
There is No need to Waste Money on things Not needed and with a loss of Victorian Pride to the People North of the River. The NSW gauge's effects are truly devastating as shown by the standardisation of the Northeast line, Half Arssed Murry Basin conversion attempt and the Standardisation of the Adelaide line and it's Tributaries. I am Victorian, a believer in NSW creating this National gauge conundrum and Gauge Diversity In this nation
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
There is No need to Waste Money on things Not needed and with a loss of Victorian Pride to the People North of the River. The NSW gauge's effects are truly devastating as shown by the standardisation of the Northeast line, Half Arssed Murry Basin conversion attempt and the Standardisation of the Adelaide line and it's Tributaries. I am Victorian, a believer in NSW creating this National gauge conundrum and Gauge Diversity In this nation
Dangersdan707
Mad as a sack full of hammers!

And I am South Oz born and bred, now living in Victoria!

BG

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