re the above discussion , a few facts may be of interest.
1 / Population of Greater Melbourne is 4.8m , Greater London is 8.78m, Greater Paris is 11.9 m.
2 / Area of Greater Melbourne is 9,990 sq Km , Greater London is 1,569 sq Km , Greater Paris is 12,012 sq Km.
3 / Melbourne Metro has 218 stations on 17 lines for 869 route kms.
London Underground has 270 stations on 11 lines for 402 route Kms. ( Excludes Overground and former BR NSE )
Paris Metro has 303 stations on 16 lines for 214 route Kms.
Paris RER has 257 stations, 33 within the Metro Area, on 5 lines for 587 route Kms.
It should be noted that Melbourne has approximately double the route kms of either London or Paris yet has approximately half the population.
4 / Melbourne Metro has 2 Multi Mode Fare Zones , London Underground has 6 to 9 Single Mode Fare Zones, Paris Metro has 5 multi Mode fare Zones which includes the 33 RER stations.
5 / Both London and Sydney use Opal tickets which are designed specifically for Multi modal use on Single Mode Fare Zones , ie when you change mode you are charged a new fare.
Currently Myki Fares are 2hr Zone 1 or Zone 1&2 Full fare $4-30, Concession $2.15. Weekly 7 Day fares Zone 1&2 Full Fare $43-00 ( $6.14 per day ) Concession $21-50 ( $3-07 per day ), Zone 2 Full Fare $29-40 ( $4-20 per day ) Concession $14-70 ( $2-10 per day ).
A cup of coffee in a Cafe is between $3-20 and $4-50 depending where you buy, a 2 qtr Fresh Milk is $3-00 ( cheaper than water ! ) UHT Milk is less , a newspaper is between $3-00 and $4-00.
So on a cost basis Melbourne Public Transport fares ARE cheap , and as Public Subsidy is currently $2-00 per journey , so approximately 55% of each journey is covered by the ticket sale revenue.
6 / Melbourne was one of the first Public Transport Networks in the world to introduce Multi Modal tickets in 1969 and Zonal Multi Modal tickets in 1981 ( http://www.robx1.net
) . Subsequently, multi modal zone tickets have become commonplace , though clearly neither London nor Sydney is a believer !
While our PT system is not perfect , when compared to the above , I would suggest that it is a lot better , especially from a value for taxpayers money, than we realise .This could be an example of not seeing the wood for the trees.
This does not mean there is not room for improvement. I personally think that we should aim for a 10 minute frequency on all rail lines and a 15 minute frequency for buses.
In relation to Polls and People's Voting Surveys, these are heavily influenced by the questions ( which lack a comparison to a comparable system ) and by generally negative media scrutiny. Polls in Sydney seem to indicate that Sydneysiders also think their Public Transport is awful, yet when I have travelled to Sydney I have generally found it be better than Melbourne's though I admit that this is probably influenced by Sydney's better information displays , something which Melbourne has, at least in my view, far too often fallen short.
The other comment is that I found that LT buses had good displays whist LT stations ( much to my surprise ) varied from reasonable to awful , and the Paris Metro information displays are quite superior on both buses , bus stops and railway stations.
For your consideration.
Best wishes and regards, Radioman.