Murray Basin standardisation

 
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The North East SG all over again.Rolling Eyes
I said on day one and several times since that we would make a balls of the project!

As much as I call out the ARTC for doing a poor job. In no way did they ever use screws to hold rail to a sleeper. This is beyond a joke if this is the case and surely some criminal charges should arise.

The bolts used would likely hold it in better and for longer than a completely unthreaded dog spike...
Greensleeves
I have to wonder especially if they are of less diameter/cross section than an elastic railspike and are screwed into a hole, split, rot or sawdust. There are screw spikes and there are screw spikes too!

See the Weekly Times pictures elsewhere here on RP. I don't seem able to link to them.

Remember; If the job's worth doing it's worth doing on the cheap.Sad

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  Bonzel Junior Train Controller

Have to wonder about said picture in Weekly Times no mention as to were it was taken or a wider angled photo so as can be verified as to being on the main line , could of been in a siding some where for all we know.  The track that i have seen from Dunolly up to Emu looks good and certainly not worse than before with some sleeper replacement and remedial ballast work under taken.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
The North East SG all over again.Rolling Eyes
I said on day one and several times since that we would make a balls of the project!

As much as I call out the ARTC for doing a poor job. In no way did they ever use screws to hold rail to a sleeper. This is beyond a joke if this is the case and surely some criminal charges should arise.

The bolts used would likely hold it in better and for longer than a completely unthreaded dog spike...
I have to wonder especially if they are of less diameter/cross section than an elastic railspike and are screwed into a hole, split, rot or sawdust. There are screw spikes and there are screw spikes too!

See the Weekly Times pictures elsewhere here on RP. I don't seem able to link to them.

Remember; If the job's worth doing it's worth doing on the cheap.Sad
YM-Mundrabilla

I have seen those pictures, and there's no mention of where it was or when it was taken (and remember that Peter Walsh would be in election mode now). Said split or rot will also cause a dog spike to come loose so that's really a moot point. If they wanted it full quality, pandrol clips and the proper mounts would have been a better option...
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
And we finally here from the Minister

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/labor-is-delivering-on-rail-freight
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

The way I read that the claim that it had been taken over by RPV is a furphy. What happened is V/Line took over from the contractor, which is a very different kettle of fish and goes some way to explain the slow progress as they do not have the resources to work in several places at once.

There is an awful lot of bull dust floating around, and I am beginning to believe a good deal of it is being created by opponents of the Labor government - there are many of them! - and Minister Allan is unable to adequately put down the rumours because there is not exactly good news emerging from the project.

As @BigShunter observed this morning, actual movements on the line do not make sense if the situation is bad as some on these pages are making out. Ararat-Maryborough is still under absolute occupation - easily explained by under-resourced V/Line not being able to commission LXs - and the Mildura line speed has been increasing over the last several weeks.

The sky is not falling - I don’t fully believe it ever has been - and Chicken Little’s compadres would do well to think before they too start running in circles.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The way I read that the claim that it had been taken over by RPV is a furphy. What happened is V/Line took over from the contractor, which is a very different kettle of fish and goes some way to explain the slow progress as they do not have the resources to work in several places at once.
potatoinmymouth

The minister has confirmed in the above link to RP News RPV have taken over the project.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

V/Line and Transport for Victoria are now working with Rail Projects Victoria on finalising options for the timing of the next stages of the project, and will be consulting industry about their freight movement needs.
Weekly Times

They are involved - that’s not a takeover.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
V/Line and Transport for Victoria are now working with Rail Projects Victoria on finalising options for the timing of the next stages of the project, and will be consulting industry about their freight movement needs.

They are involved - that’s not a takeover.
potatoinmymouth

So is V/Line still the lead constructor in that case?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
And we finally here from the Minister

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/labor-is-delivering-on-rail-freight
bevans
It's all good, nothing to see here, it's not our fault, it's the other sides blah, blah, blah

The minister in full attack mode - clearly feeling the pinch.

No apology / explanation for time over runs / scope changes etc, no information on the next stage just the usual blame game.

BG
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
V/Line and Transport for Victoria are now working with Rail Projects Victoria on finalising options for the timing of the next stages of the project, and will be consulting industry about their freight movement needs.

They are involved - that’s not a takeover.

So is V/Line still the lead constructor in that case?
bevans

From the article:

We have said before that there have been issues with the delivery of the current contract, and that’s why V/Line has taken over the remainder of the works needed to finish stage two.
Weekly Times
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Vline does have some experience as the delivery agency for Ballarat line upgrades and other works right?  They probably have the general ability but not the depth (ie ability to manage a project of this size as alluded to by someone somewhere) or the bandwidth (given the large number of other projects they have on the boil)...  RPV will be useful in any case to help augment VLine on these.

And I think the references to industry involvement and Ballarat are important:

The industry has told us they want to maximise the opportunity to move freight before and during works on the Ballarat line upgrade, which will cause disruption to the movement of freight in and around Ballarat.
Minister Allan via Weekly Times

We need to understand more about specific timings of Ballarat works to work out when MB stages will be rephased to.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
And we finally here from the Minister

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/labor-is-delivering-on-rail-freight
bevans

How quickly we forget that Bevans team...read the Lib/Nats ripped $120million out of V/Line as some misplaced efficiency dividend and now we are playing catch-up.

Mike.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
And we finally here from the Minister

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/labor-is-delivering-on-rail-freight
It's all good, nothing to see here, it's not our fault, it's the other sides blah, blah, blah

The minister in full attack mode - clearly feeling the pinch.

No apology / explanation for time over runs / scope changes etc, no information on the next stage just the usual blame game.

BG
BrentonGolding

There's a bit of hubris from Jacinta in here as well. Labor knows the Guy team is on the back-foot over a lot of stuff and Labor can sniff the smell of Victory in a few months... the religious crack-pots in Guys admin team are enough scare the beejesus out of this homosexual.

I know Treasurer Tim also has a PT war-chest and I'm sure it will be rolled out during the campaign.

Mike.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
There's a bit of hubris from Jacinta in here as well. Labor knows the Guy team is on the back-foot over a lot of stuff and Labor can sniff the smell of Victory in a few months... the religious crack-pots in Guys admin team are enough scare the beejesus out of this homosexual.

I know Treasurer Tim also has a PT war-chest and I'm sure it will be rolled out during the campaign.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Very clinical description, Mike, I'd settle for chap, would you settle for chap ?

BigShunter. ( hetrosexual ) if ya wondering Razz
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The occupation of the Sea Lake and Manangatang lines is only temporary to enable bridge upgrades and other work before conversion (and 21 Tonne axle loads?).  Work has been seen occurring at various locations between Inglewood and Manangatang.  Apparently it should be open again in about a week's time.

It looks like next year's grain harvest will likely be BG on these lines again too.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
A picture on a FB page shows two largish planks of wood over the tracks - not exactly bulletproof baulking.  But i guess it would derail a train..
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
There's a bit of hubris from Jacinta in here as well.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Not a good trait in any politician (nor anyone else for that matter), reminds me a bit of John Howard in the early to mid 2000s

And as the Memsahib would remind me, she being of Medite-de-rranean extraction, in Classical Greece hubris was defined as excessive pride towards or defiance of the gods, leading to nemesis.


BG
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
The North East SG all over again.Rolling Eyes
I said on day one and several times since that we would make a balls of the project!

As much as I call out the ARTC for doing a poor job. In no way did they ever use screws to hold rail to a sleeper. This is beyond a joke if this is the case and surely some criminal charges should arise.

The bolts used would likely hold it in better and for longer than a completely unthreaded dog spike...
I have to wonder especially if they are of less diameter/cross section than an elastic railspike and are screwed into a hole, split, rot or sawdust. There are screw spikes and there are screw spikes too!

See the Weekly Times pictures elsewhere here on RP. I don't seem able to link to them.

Remember; If the job's worth doing it's worth doing on the cheap.Sad

I have seen those pictures, and there's no mention of where it was or when it was taken (and remember that Peter Walsh would be in election mode now). Said split or rot will also cause a dog spike to come loose so that's really a moot point. If they wanted it full quality, pandrol clips and the proper mounts would have been a better option...
Greensleeves
Assuming that the photos in question refer to the ones where the galvanised bolt type of dogspikes are in place, I did see some of those around St Arnaud back in September during the conversion - but they were only on the side where the rail had been moved, and I did assume that they were temporary pending sleepers being replaced - just there to hold it together so track machines and Hi-rails could pass.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
A picture on a FB page shows two largish planks of wood over the tracks - not exactly bulletproof baulking.  But i guess it would derail a train..
james.au
Usually white painted sleepers.
Unlikely to deter a determined train but rather a physical 'landmark' might stop a barely moving wagon, perhaps? Wagons will roll over these baulks and are then merely pulled back over them and no one is the wiser. Smile
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
And as the Memsahib would remind me, she being of Medite-de-rranean extraction, in Classical Greece hubris was defined as excessive pride towards or defiance of the gods, leading to nemesis.
"BrentonGolding"
Now, make your mind up young BG.  Memsahib is Indian and you're applying this to a lady of Medit etc extraction. Are you running a mini UN at your place?Laughing
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Assuming that the photos in question refer to the ones where the galvanised bolt type of dogspikes are in place, I did see some of those around St Arnaud back in September during the conversion - but they were only on the side where the rail had been moved, and I did assume that they were temporary pending sleepers being replaced - just there to hold it together so track machines and Hi-rails could pass.
mikesyd

Has anyone actually gone and had a look to refute the nonsense in the Weekly-Times Question

How about our Agent in Donald...

M.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Assuming that the photos in question refer to the ones where the galvanised bolt type of dogspikes are in place, I did see some of those around St Arnaud back in September during the conversion - but they were only on the side where the rail had been moved, and I did assume that they were temporary pending sleepers being replaced - just there to hold it together so track machines and Hi-rails could pass.

Has anyone actually gone and had a look to refute the nonsense in the Weekly-Times Question

How about our Agent in Donald...

M.
The Vinelander
You called Mike!
The galvanised screw spikes are in both tracks, replacing the old square pegs.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
You called Mike!
The galvanised screw spikes are in both tracks, replacing the old square pegs.
Donald
Straight into the timber or through base plates holding the rails nice and tight?

BG
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
This is one near Bealiba, KP 260.634

https://www.flickr.com/photos/greensleeves94/28063302417/in/dateposted/
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
RRA is reporting that the Minister will be responding to questions from the ABC next week.

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