8606 & 4615

 
  Jeff3801 Beginner

After 9 years of storage within the Junee Roundhouse SETS 4615 & 8606 left the Roundhouse yesterday morning, they were hauled out by 48206, then coupled up to the 2 U boat carriages & then placed in road 6 of Junee yard opposite the station, they were then picked by PN early this morning for their trip to Lithgow via Cootamundra & Parkes, once they get to Lithgow they will be re-activated for use by Sydney Trains to use on maints trains on the Sydney underground.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia


Thanks for the info Jeff.  How many 86 class are still servicable?

I recall when they were the backbone of heavy traffic.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller



Thanks for the info Jeff.  How many 86 class are still servicable?

I recall when they were the backbone of heavy traffic.
bevans
None. They will require considerable work and even then, it is questionable whether they will be fit for purpose.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Never thought we'd see electric loco's in NSW again. Smile Might have to put in for some casual work with one of the labour-hire mobs to see if I can get qualified in them!
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
None. They will require considerable work and even then, it is questionable whether they will be fit for purpose.
fzr560
I doubt they'd pay to pull them out and drag them to the big smoke without checking they'll fit the plan first.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

None. They will require considerable work and even then, it is questionable whether they will be fit for purpose.
I doubt they'd pay to pull them out and drag them to the big smoke without checking they'll fit the plan first.
lkernan
A decade ago I would have doubted that a government would have payed someone $1 billion not to build a road. It's only taxpayers money.
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Interesting they may be brought back into service. There wouldn't be many Electrical Fitters around anymore who know how to repair and maintain electric locos in NSW.

You can't just push a button and start electric locos. Moisture and condensation are their enemy so locos need to be left with pans up to keep air blowers running to keep locos electrical cabinets dry and moisture free so they work when required. I think they would need somewhere with overhead wiring to store them. This issue is why the RTM gave up on 4639 they had nowhere to store loco connected to the overhead. No doubt Sydney Trains would levy a hefty price for a siding and electricity consumed. Didn't matter back in the government owned railway days.

The underground needs re railing so looks like they may be for this work. SSR recently did some trials with 1200 gen sets and 49 class in underground but still too smoky.

Usually the overhead is de energised during re railing so not sure how they could work around that issue.
  sam6778 Locomotive Driver

Location: Rockingham, WA
Just out of interest are these two locos being hired off SETS?  Also does SETS own an 85 class? Cheers
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

Just out of interest are these two locos being hired off SETS?  Also does SETS own an 85 class? Cheers
sam6778

Their website states that they acquired 8501 for preservation. I believe it's stored at Werris Creek based on photos I've seen on flickr with 8649 (owned by someone else). Someone said some time back they purchased 4627 in 2013-2014 from the Rothbury Museum along with interurban u-set power car CF5001, which was one of the few to still have the original lift windows. I think there must have been a mass sale of some of the rolling stock at Rothbury given that some other groups purchased other things during a similar time (carriages, CPH Rail Motors, a complete DEB Set, etc) and as such this would have saved them from the scrap pile.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
These two are owned by PN i thought?
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

These two are owned by PN i thought?
james.au

Their website with fleet listing, lots of interesting info but hasn't been updated in a while it seems

http://www.sets.org.au/fleet/index.php?id=8501


In regards to 8501 and 4627 mentioned earlier

https://www.flickr.com/photos/92272739@N05/25027690678/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/124413665@N03/23664413850/
  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia
Interesting to note coupler mounted on the bogie not the loco body.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Interesting to note coupler mounted on the bogie not the loco body.
DBclass
Supposed to be an advantage of the 46's, and why the wheel arrangement is designated Co+Co, not plain old Co-Co. The bogies are coupled together to take the load, the body just goes along for the ride. Dunno how successful it worked out, since I can't think of any other locos in Australia that did (do) it.
  Big J Assistant Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Interesting to note coupler mounted on the bogie not the loco body.
Supposed to be an advantage of the 46's, and why the wheel arrangement is designated Co+Co, not plain old Co-Co. The bogies are coupled together to take the load, the body just goes along for the ride. Dunno how successful it worked out, since I can't think of any other locos in Australia that did (do) it.
apw5910
I think the QR 1170 class and the 1150 class had that arrangement as well.
  br30453 Chief Train Controller

Interesting to note coupler mounted on the bogie not the loco body.
Supposed to be an advantage of the 46's, and why the wheel arrangement is designated Co+Co, not plain old Co-Co. The bogies are coupled together to take the load, the body just goes along for the ride. Dunno how successful it worked out, since I can't think of any other locos in Australia that did (do) it.
I think the QR 1170 class and the 1150 class had that arrangement as well.
Big J
Only the 1170 class. The 1150 had the normal bogie arrangement.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The underground needs re railing so looks like they may be for this work. SSR recently did some trials with 1200 gen sets and 49 class in underground but still too smoky.

Usually the overhead is de energised during re railing so not sure how they could work around that issue.
2LaGrange
Maybe the electric locomotives would be used to deliver the new rails while the overhead Is still energized, than pick up the old rails at a later date ?
  Big J Assistant Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Interesting to note coupler mounted on the bogie not the loco body.
Supposed to be an advantage of the 46's, and why the wheel arrangement is designated Co+Co, not plain old Co-Co. The bogies are coupled together to take the load, the body just goes along for the ride. Dunno how successful it worked out, since I can't think of any other locos in Australia that did (do) it.
I think the QR 1170 class and the 1150 class had that arrangement as well.
Only the 1170 class. The 1150 had the normal bogie arrangement.
br30453
Thanks br for clarifying. the photos on the web are deceptive as they look similar arrangement to 1170. Must be the headstock i am seeing and I haven't seen a 1150 up close in personal in decades.
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Interesting to note coupler mounted on the bogie not the loco body.
Supposed to be an advantage of the 46's, and why the wheel arrangement is designated Co+Co, not plain old Co-Co. The bogies are coupled together to take the load, the body just goes along for the ride. Dunno how successful it worked out, since I can't think of any other locos in Australia that did (do) it.
apw5910
To say nothing of the South Africans, who purchased 22 Classes of diesels with an interconnected bogie arrangement, but only 5 electric classes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_African_locomotive_classes
  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia
I would think the interconnected bogie perhaps reduces pitching of the bogie, but I think they have sorted that out anyway by lowering the pivot point to axle level, and or the rubber sandwich blocks between bogie and frame.I can’t really see the point of linking the two bogies when a substantial frame is above already.  I would think the linking would need to be off the center pivot of the bogie otherwise the horizontal pull would steer the bogie,  which IMO is why body mounted couplers are the norm. Not all the locos on the list have bogie mounted couplers however. I looked at the 43 class which had the normal chassis mount.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
Although of minor proportions, another reason these electrics have to be left with the Pans up is because of the A/C.
The dear old 46 class had no such luxury's so they dropped the pans when stowing.
When they first started running the single deck interurbans, they lowered the Pans when stowing which posed a problem as the battery lighting was too poor to use when cleaning the cars at night so they came up with the idea of being able to connect to an external supply.
This generally lit a Power Car and one trailer.
Also the battery's tended to go flat and this prevented the operation of the relays to release the air to raise the Pans which meant the driver had to pump them up by hand, something they detested doing.
When the Double Deckers were introduced, they too were stowed with the Pans down at first but the electronics and A/C systems didnt like it and wouldnt work causing much annoyance.
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

https://www.facebook.com/setsAU/

Above is a link to the SETS facebook page, looks like they are trying to raise funds to restore the 2 locomotives.
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

They've posted an update to their facebook page (same link as previous post) in regards to movement of heavy equipment and 2 pantographs to Lithgow
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

Update on facebook page NSWRailwaysPastAndPresent with 8606 at Lithgow now with pantographs installed and raised.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSWRailwaysPastandPresent/permalink/2544627248896406/
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Update on facebook page NSWRailwaysPastAndPresent with 8606 at Lithgow now with pantographs installed and raised.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSWRailwaysPastandPresent/permalink/2544627248896406/
SydneyCider
I was passing from Katoomba to Penrith on a V set the other day and there was a guy sitting in front of me in work clothes and a safety vest talking on his cell phone about installing the pantos on 8606 and 4615 that day and needing to arrange some paths with Sydney Trains to test these locos.
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
So they've fitted pantographs and getting ready to test, but the gofundme to raise money for pantos is at $200 and still open?
What's the deal?

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