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  brissim Chief Train Controller

The 48s available from Australian Modeller are also available with sound; those sold out on Auscisions site are only available as sound versions from AM.
meh
Well that's confusing. I always thought any sound versions were a limited run, only made available for those who had pre-ordered by mid-2017. Maybe there were some extra sound versions made.

Tony

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  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
The 48s available from Australian Modeller are also available with sound; those sold out on Auscisions site are only available as sound versions from AM.
Well that's confusing. I always thought any sound versions were a limited run, only made available for those who had pre-ordered by mid-2017. Maybe there were some extra sound versions made.

Tony
brissim
Could be that someone needed their money back, so took the $50- hit and cancelled their order to get a refund.....that would explain some extra sound equipped locos. Dunno for sure though; just guessing.
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
The 48s available from Australian Modeller are also available with sound; those sold out on Auscisions site are only available as sound versions from AM.
Well that's confusing. I always thought any sound versions were a limited run, only made available for those who had pre-ordered by mid-2017. Maybe there were some extra sound versions made.

Tony
Could be that someone needed their money back, so took the $50- hit and cancelled their order to get a refund.....that would explain some extra sound equipped locos. Dunno for sure though; just guessing.
Roachie
Or it could have been that they (Australian Modeller) 'ordered' a few sound models to be held and sold by the store.

https://www.australianmodeller.com.au/collections/locomotives/auscision-models?sort_by=created-descending

Looking at the AM site; all 48/830s have sound equipped options.

Cheers
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
"Auscision HO Scale 46'6" Reefer Containers arrive in our warehouse next week with pre-orders being posted out by Friday. Please note that the price will rise to $39.95 per twin pack on Friday 6th of July. Any order received before then will be processed at the pre-order price of $34.95 per pack. " - via https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels
  NSW3802 Locomotive Fireman

The 48s available from Australian Modeller are also available with sound; those sold out on Auscisions site are only available as sound versions from AM.
Well that's confusing. I always thought any sound versions were a limited run, only made available for those who had pre-ordered by mid-2017. Maybe there were some extra sound versions made.

Tony
Could be that someone needed their money back, so took the $50- hit and cancelled their order to get a refund.....that would explain some extra sound equipped locos. Dunno for sure though; just guessing.
Or it could have been that they (Australian Modeller) 'ordered' a few sound models to be held and sold by the store.

https://www.australianmodeller.com.au/collections/locomotives/auscision-models?sort_by=created-descending

Looking at the AM site; all 48/830s have sound equipped options.

Cheers
meh
Pleased to say a couple of 830s arrived in Adelaide today.

Les.
  NSW3802 Locomotive Fireman

The 48s available from Australian Modeller are also available with sound; those sold out on Auscisions site are only available as sound versions from AM.
Well that's confusing. I always thought any sound versions were a limited run, only made available for those who had pre-ordered by mid-2017. Maybe there were some extra sound versions made.

Tony
Could be that someone needed their money back, so took the $50- hit and cancelled their order to get a refund.....that would explain some extra sound equipped locos. Dunno for sure though; just guessing.
Or it could have been that they (Australian Modeller) 'ordered' a few sound models to be held and sold by the store.

https://www.australianmodeller.com.au/collections/locomotives/auscision-models?sort_by=created-descending

Looking at the AM site; all 48/830s have sound equipped options.

Cheers
meh
Some useful info on changing sound levels and other things.

https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?3,4175162

Les.
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Those that are waiting better be quick; only one Indian Red version left; all Freightrail/Freightcorp/PN Blue versions are gone and Candy are following suit.

http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/48%20Class%20Locomotive.htm

830 Classes are starting to go as well:

http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/830%20Class%20Locomotive.htm

Australian Modeller looks to have some of the sold-outs still in-stock though.

Wonder how long it'll take for a second run to come about.... my guess 2 years at least.
  brissim Chief Train Controller

Those that are waiting better be quick; only one Indian Red version left; all Freightrail/Freightcorp/PN Blue versions are gone and Candy are following suit.
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Australian Modeller looks to have some of the sold-outs still in-stock though.

Wonder how long it'll take for a second run to come about.... my guess 2 years at least.
meh
And a quick run through whats available with Australian Modeller shows a number of complete sellouts as well - both sound and non-sound with a number available with sound only. Again I'm surprised the blues have sold out so quickly (we don't of course know the breakdown between the various liveries).

I agree, if you want an Auscision 48/830 better get in sooner rather than later. I was going to hang off for a few months but I've jumped in and ordered 2 more. No-one should have any excuses for whinging if they miss out.

And I think with the programme that Auscision has in front of it, 2 years for a re-run might be optimistic. Although I do recall the limited re-run of some 45 and 86 Class locos came around relatively quickly.

Tony
  trainguy84 Junior Train Controller

Hi

If anyone is holding out till the last minute to order their 46ft 6 inch reefer containers you have till midnight to get your order in before they go up to $39.95.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
And a quick run through whats available with Australian Modeller shows a number of complete sellouts as well - both sound and non-sound with a number available with sound only.
brissim
Tell me about it. I went down last weekend to get one or two for my display cabinet and had to get a pair fitted with sound that will never see a layout.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
And a quick run through whats available with Australian Modeller shows a number of complete sellouts as well - both sound and non-sound with a number available with sound only.
Tell me about it. I went down last weekend to get one or two for my display cabinet and had to get a pair fitted with sound that will never see a layout.
KRviator
You could sel the sound parts I think quite profitabilly Wink

Regards,
David Head
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
11 of the 36 livery/variations of 48 class have already sold out! http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/48%20Class%20Locomotive.htm . well maybe not, Australian Modeller shows the sold outs are available.
Poath Junction
Less than 2 weeks on sale ….

The Auscision 48/830 pages show this afternoon that
  • 48's - 26/36 now sold out
  • 830's - 6/11 now sold out
Total position is 32/47 sold out, or approximately 70% or better of this production run.  Possibly only a couple of hundred locos left in the warehouse.  How many at other dealers or hobby shops?  Looks as if they didn't need all the extra warehouse capacity.

The 48/830 must be a very popular loco.  Time to plan a second run or some reruns.  Could be slotted into the production line at anytime in small batches, similar to other reruns such as 45's etc.

Happy selling out,

John
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Incredible sale rates considering the amount of previous versions

Long lead time but glad I bought x12 - at $220ea, half with discounted sound
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Auscision have stated a few times now that they set production volumes about 6 months prior to delivery and use pre orders to gauge how many to make. No business wants to get stuck with excess stock so I think they most likely added a percentage on top of pre orders. No real surprise they are selling out. They also stated most versions were limited on average to 50 units so if they added say 10% extra that’s only 5 spare locos per version.

Pre order your 442s or we may miss out by the looks of it.
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

That's excellent. Thanks heaps,

Happy training!
  Booly Junior Train Controller

With the 48's selling out fast i think they have missed the opportunity for a lot more sales , similar to the 422's that sold out quick . Yes i know that they want a return for their investment fast and don't want stock sitting in the warehouse , but with the Liverpool exhibition coming up in a few months and by that time it looks like there will be none left .
Love the sound option , no pulling apart a new loco to fit a decoder . Just out of the box , onto the program track , set the long address  ( they all come with the short address set to 3 ) , onto the layout and the performance with the factory settings is more than satisfactory for me .My 3 sound great as a triple header !
The only fault that i can see is where the side handrail on the body at the No 2 end is not lined up .
Other than that , Auscision should be congratulated on another fantastic model in my opinion. Bring on the 442's
  trainguy84 Junior Train Controller

It is unfortunate if you missed out but you had plenty of time to get your orders in. The release had been delayed many times over the years, hence giving people a longer opportunity to order. I wonder how many orders were from the same buyer spread out over the entire pre order period.

No doubt a rerun will be planned 5 or so years down the track.

Now roll on the 422 rerun and the new model order form releases.
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
48/830 - The Model - My Observations

Received 3 this week, 2 sound, 1 non-sound.

General

The models look good, and arrived well protected in the usual cardboard box and plastic cradle insert.  White boxes for sound versions, silver for non sound.  Mostly intact but at least one (a friends) arrived in partly disassembled form.

DC versions are very quiet and very smooth runners.

Sand hoses (flexible plastic) are all over the place, on top of bogies, outside frames, behind steps.  Will need to get a cattle dog, herd them up and get them properly yarded.

Sound (Noisy) and DCC Versions

Only using an MRC Black Box, but found some unusual operations.

The variety of cruise control and throttle selection functions cause some confusion.  When is that function on or off?  Couldn't tell easily.  If left on, then the loco could not move on DC.

Engine notch settings did not seem to have much variation.  When starting from standstill you can hear the engine speed/power increase, but there is not much variation once moving.  Comments from others (actual former train crew) were engine only seemed to go to 4th notch and stay there.

Intriguing light function alteration using F7 and F9.  Wow can play some games with the lighting variations!

Sound/DCC versions seemed to hunt/fight each other when MU'ing on DC.  Difficult to stop without alternative shutdown/startups occurring.

Lots of momentum set.  One needs to be patient on startup and plan well ahead for stops (unless you use F5).

Engine sounds too tinny (like a bucket of bolts) and volume set too high.  Sounded much better with my finger over the radiator fan.  Is this a cheap/poor speaker with too much engine volume?  Could not find a volume reduction function.  Is there one, especially for the engine sound, but not the horn?

I know, someone will say these should be run on a proper DCC system.  This will happen sometime in the future.

Overall in my opinion 8/10.

Happy alcoing,

John
  a6et Minister for Railways

48/830 - The Model - My Observations

Received 3 this week, 2 sound, 1 non-sound.

General

The models look good, and arrived well protected in the usual cardboard box and plastic cradle insert.  White boxes for sound versions, silver for non sound.  Mostly intact but at least one (a friends) arrived in partly disassembled form.

DC versions are very quiet and very smooth runners.

Sand hoses (flexible plastic) are all over the place, on top of bogies, outside frames, behind steps.  Will need to get a cattle dog, herd them up and get them properly yarded.

Sound (Noisy) and DCC Versions

Only using an MRC Black Box, but found some unusual operations.

The variety of cruise control and throttle selection functions cause some confusion.  When is that function on or off?  Couldn't tell easily.  If left on, then the loco could not move on DC.

Engine notch settings did not seem to have much variation.  When starting from standstill you can hear the engine speed/power increase, but there is not much variation once moving.  Comments from others (actual former train crew) were engine only seemed to go to 4th notch and stay there.

Intriguing light function alteration using F7 and F9.  Wow can play some games with the lighting variations!

Sound/DCC versions seemed to hunt/fight each other when MU'ing on DC.  Difficult to stop without alternative shutdown/startups occurring.

Lots of momentum set.  One needs to be patient on startup and plan well ahead for stops (unless you use F5).

Engine sounds too tinny (like a bucket of bolts) and volume set too high.  Sounded much better with my finger over the radiator fan.  Is this a cheap/poor speaker with too much engine volume?  Could not find a volume reduction function.  Is there one, especially for the engine sound, but not the horn?

I know, someone will say these should be run on a proper DCC system.  This will happen sometime in the future.

Overall in my opinion 8/10.

Happy alcoing,

John
c3526blue
John, the engine marble or nails and bolt sounds is very much typical of sound in HO Models. Having worked as a driver up until 2nd half of the 80's before being medically retired, I have to say that the sounds are rarely all that accurate, much is the result of the speaker size which is small in HO.  An example is having a TCS Wow sound fitted into a DJH 38cl its very hard to recognise the sound sets as being that of a 38cl, however I sat in a friends O gauge layout where he had a streamlined 38cl with same sounds but larger and much better speakers, the difference was incredible, and sounded real, more especially the whistle, in smaller speakers in a HO model it was off.

All old generation diesels and up to the 81cl which has hi/low idle sounds, low when reverser is in neutral, and high rev when the reverser is placed either in forward or reverse, no change in Prime mover sounds when throttle is moved to 1T/n, however for the next 7 steps, each movement would correspond with an increase in the engine revs.

Using TCS Wow, and Tsunami's its possible to set the decoders up with momentum that will give some more realistic working. especially as the model increases speed and gets set at speed, the Engine sounds generally drop off.

I have yet to hear the sounds of the 48cl but the biggy to me would be in the air horn sound in the Mk4 48's which came into service with Australian RVB air horns, very distinctive and when I worked on them they were great sounding and loud.  Along with the 48, 47, 422, 442, 73 were also fitted with them, but each were slightly different in tune, with the 422 and Jumbo's having a trailing off sound with them.
  2LaGrange Train Controller

48/830 - The Model - My Observations

Received 3 this week, 2 sound, 1 non-sound.

General

The models look good, and arrived well protected in the usual cardboard box and plastic cradle insert.  White boxes for sound versions, silver for non sound.  Mostly intact but at least one (a friends) arrived in partly disassembled form.

DC versions are very quiet and very smooth runners.

Sand hoses (flexible plastic) are all over the place, on top of bogies, outside frames, behind steps.  Will need to get a cattle dog, herd them up and get them properly yarded.

Sound (Noisy) and DCC Versions

Only using an MRC Black Box, but found some unusual operations.

The variety of cruise control and throttle selection functions cause some confusion.  When is that function on or off?  Couldn't tell easily.  If left on, then the loco could not move on DC.

Engine notch settings did not seem to have much variation.  When starting from standstill you can hear the engine speed/power increase, but there is not much variation once moving.  Comments from others (actual former train crew) were engine only seemed to go to 4th notch and stay there.

Intriguing light function alteration using F7 and F9.  Wow can play some games with the lighting variations!

Sound/DCC versions seemed to hunt/fight each other when MU'ing on DC.  Difficult to stop without alternative shutdown/startups occurring.

Lots of momentum set.  One needs to be patient on startup and plan well ahead for stops (unless you use F5).

Engine sounds too tinny (like a bucket of bolts) and volume set too high.  Sounded much better with my finger over the radiator fan.  Is this a cheap/poor speaker with too much engine volume?  Could not find a volume reduction function.  Is there one, especially for the engine sound, but not the horn?

I know, someone will say these should be run on a proper DCC system.  This will happen sometime in the future.

Overall in my opinion 8/10.

Happy alcoing,

John
c3526blue
In my opinion I don't think its fair to review the DCC Sound Auscision 48 when you are not even using a DCC controller and are running them on DC.

My Sound 48s run beautifully on DCC and the motor/Speed control is excellent. The ESU decoders in my opinion are some of the best on the market.

If you run a DCC loco on DC its always going to be a compromise. You are never going to get the best performance from using DC control on them.

The instructions even say it and advise moving plug on board to get marker light control.

The sound recordings are definitely that of a 48 class alco engine. As A6et stated never going to be perfect in HO scale due to speaker size. There are the correct horns available on full DCC control to suit particular versions.

I have not heard any perfect prime mover sounds under load conditions. Most recordings are done while the loco is static going through throttle notches where the prime mover is not under load. It is not driving an Generator/Alternator which is proving current to traction motors which makes the engine sound different as it is working under load. Or sound recoded in engine room while in transit.

The true sound we all seek is a loco under load going past trackside and the only way to get this would be to have recording devices mounted on loco roof near exhaust stack while loco lifts a load going through all notches as it accelerates.

Same for the true sound of a loco in dynamic brake. Need to record the loco in transit recording the whine of the fans on the dyno grids and also the sounds of the traction motors under dynamic load which is quite distinctive.

The paint work on the models is second to none as is usual for Auscision with the colours being very accurate and the numbers and lettering being crisp. They got the No1 end nose right unlike another's effort. They also have the correct cab window frames that are painted correctly.

Some of the sand pipes are a bit hap hazard but they are generally in correct position and are a minor cosmetic item in my opinion and I often trim them back anyway as the bogies pivot a lot further on a HO scale model than on the real prototype and the pipes being mounted on the body can foul bogie. The bogies are very nice having good detail with brake rigging and shoes and even have casting letting as per the prototype.

In my opinion Auscision continue to lift the bar with this latest offering and I give them 9.5 out of 10.

The DCC sound option is a great innovation and great value at $100 extra and we really are getting spoilt with this option now to be available on all locos moving forward (I believe 73 class will not have Sound option though).

Bring on the 442,C, G and upgraded re runs of 73, 422 and B class and whatever other surprises they have install for us !
  The_trolley Deputy Commissioner

Location: .
Roachie,

The four trumpet version is the Westinghouse A and B set as found on the 830 and Mk1 to Mk3 48 class. The five chime horn is the RVB 5 Chime as found on the Mk4 48. The original Silverton red locos used the RVB 3 Chime.

The NSW 48 class at least had an isolating cock in the cab which could isolate one or both sets of horns (basically so they didn’t blow back towards occupied passenger cars). Normally it was cut in with both sets operating (A and B and RVB) but Auscision has given you the option of both dual and single sets on the DCC version. You have 3 Chime RVB for the red Silverton locos and dual and single set A and B’s and RVB 5 Chimes for the other locos.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
a6et
Interestingly I read an article about how Samsung had updated their sound on new phones.  They eliminated the speaker!  That is they vibrate the screen which produces the sound.
I mentioned this to a friend, and he said, that's how On Track got their Sprinter sounds working so well. DCC Sounds of Australia supply a tiny square box which is press fitted into an enclosure under the motor cab.  With it fitted and the body tightened in place (no rattles) the sound is clear and loud. Take the device out and run it on the bench and it is horrible.
So perhaps the next upgrade in sound is already here. I know I have been waiting for perfect little  ribbon speakers for 20 years and it looks like promises made then, were not able to be met.
But interesting none the less
Rod
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
"New unannounced HO Scale containers now available from Auscision. SCT Large Logo 46'6" Reefer. Toll New Logo & SCF V5 40' Container.
Don't forget to stock up on Auscision Container Wagons as our 20' Side Door Containers & 48' Containers arrive next week and you will need something to run them on." - via https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/
edit: There's now a gap of 4 unaccounted for Auscision products (con-155,156,157,158)
  brissim Chief Train Controller

.....................and you will need something to run them on." - via https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/
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Poath Junction
That last sentence in their post is certainly interesting. We know the SCT well wagons are coming but it would be even better if one of their unannounced projects is the articulated 5-pack container flats. Who knows when SRM will get around to producing theirs.

Tony
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
ah ha, the 4 missing/unannounced container's are side loaders. 19 are available to order but 23 were on display in the cabinet at the June exhibition. zoom in and you'll quickly spot 3 very obvious white ones and an extra blue.

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