Metronet Yanchep and Thornlie-Cockburn extensions

 
  Mouse Chief Train Controller

Location:
Project Definition Plans for these lines have now been finalised:


WA Cabinet have endorsed the project definition plans for the Thornlie-Cockburn Link and Yanchep Rail Extension.

This is an important step as it means the general scope and contract method for the two projects are now approved, allowing the projects to move into the procurement phase for construction to begin in 2019.

Recognising the potential savings that can be achieved, the projects will be delivered together by one contractor, generating more than 3,000 jobs for Perth.

After the options analysis work during the business case phase, we knew the preferred solutions were:
•    Yanchep Rail Extension: Joondalup Line extension with three stations at Alkimos, Eglinton and Yanchep
•    Thornlie-Cockburn Link: relocating the freight lines to make room for passenger rail from Thornlie to Cockburn Central with new stations at Nicholson and Ranford roads

Since then the METRONET Office with its partner agencies and stakeholders, have completed early engineering designs, environmental and ground analysis and land use planning to inform transport infrastructure design and construction requirements.

The result is a more detailed scope of each project, which will be used during procurement to select a contractor to deliver the work.
Metronet Website

https://metronet.wa.gov.au/news-info/news/two-projects-move-to-next-phase

There's also a suite of fact sheets available on the web pages for each project (links in the quote above).

Construction of both is expected to begin next year.

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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Why Is the whole Northern Suburbs line always called the Joondalup Line, when It now goes well beyond Joondalup ?
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
I'm assuming because it's original terminus was Joondalup and the name just stuck?

I wonder if the Armadale line will still be called that when it is extended to Byford, (or will it's name change to the Byford line?)

What the Thornlie Line will be called once the Thornlie - Cockburn link is built?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I'm assuming because it's original terminus was Joondalup and the name just stuck?

I wonder if the Armadale line will still be called that when it is extended to Byford, (or will it's name change to the Byford line?)

What the Thornlie Line will be called once the Thornlie - Cockburn link is built?
steve_w_1990
Should be named after the terminus !

Thornlie line should be call the Thornlie loop.

Also why do they call Cockburn Co-Burn and not Cock-Burn "Cock as In male bird"(Cock does have another meaning If you let your mind wonder)
  M636C Minister for Railways

I'm assuming because it's original terminus was Joondalup and the name just stuck?

I wonder if the Armadale line will still be called that when it is extended to Byford, (or will it's name change to the Byford line?)

What the Thornlie Line will be called once the Thornlie - Cockburn link is built?
Should be named after the terminus !

Thornlie line should be call the Thornlie loop.

Also why do they call Cockburn Co-Burn and not Cock-Burn "Cock as In male bird"(Cock does have another meaning If you let your mind wonder)
Nightfire
There is (or was) a town on the NSW/SA border that was spelt the same way and pronounced "Coburn"

The original name is that of Cockburn Sound (the stretch of water). I assume it was named after somebody who pronounced it "Coburn"

Peter
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I'm assuming because it's original terminus was Joondalup and the name just stuck?

I wonder if the Armadale line will still be called that when it is extended to Byford, (or will it's name change to the Byford line?)

What the Thornlie Line will be called once the Thornlie - Cockburn link is built?
Should be named after the terminus !

Thornlie line should be call the Thornlie loop.

Also why do they call Cockburn Co-Burn and not Cock-Burn "Cock as In male bird"(Cock does have another meaning If you let your mind wonder)
Nightfire
I'm guessing the "Cock" was just progressively slang shortened to "Co" over time to make it faster and easier to pronounce.

My old haunt
Davistown -> Davo'
Saratoga -> Sara'
Yatalunga -> Yata'

Cannot shorten Cockburn the same way by cutting end off (the word cock is used in other ways and not just below the belt), so they cut a bit out of the middle.
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

I'm assuming because it's original terminus was Joondalup and the name just stuck?

I wonder if the Armadale line will still be called that when it is extended to Byford, (or will it's name change to the Byford line?)

What the Thornlie Line will be called once the Thornlie - Cockburn link is built?
Should be named after the terminus !

Thornlie line should be call the Thornlie loop.
Nightfire


The lines are named after the sub-regional metropolitan centre that they serve, hence Joondalup (northwest), Midland (east), Armadale (southeast), Fremantle (southwest) and Mandurah.

Plans are to eventually join the Forrestfield line through to the Thornlie-Cockburn line to have it run Claremont-Perth-Airport-Forrestfield-Thornlie-Cockburn.
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
Go to see that all the extensions through marginal seats is well under way.  No mention of extending the service south of Fremantle through to Cockburn, at least not in my lifetime.  Houses around me are getting build at a very fast pace and all we have is a per hour bus (most of the day) that does not run on Sundays.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Go to see that all the extensions through marginal seats is well under way.  No mention of extending the service south of Fremantle through to Cockburn, at least not in my lifetime.  Houses around me are getting build at a very fast pace and all we have is a per hour bus (most of the day) that does not run on Sundays.
witzendoz
To go beyond Fremante they probably would need to sink the line past the Round House (one of WA's oldest and most historic buildings) along with the marina precinct (where there are many road and pedestrian level crossings)

Not going to be cheap !

A container train looks very out of place, when passing through there !
  LL10194 Station Master

Location: Perth
Why Is the whole Northern Suburbs line always called the Joondalup Line, when It now goes well beyond Joondalup ?
Nightfire
Why was the Kwinana Freeway called that back when it only went as far south of the CBD as Canning Highway?

Why is it still called that now that it goes further south than Kwinana, to Mandurah?

Why is the Bakerloo line called that when it terminates at Harrow & Whealdstone and Elephant & Castle?

The Piccadily line ending at Heathrow T5, Cockfosters and Uxbridge? Clearly it should be renamed the Cockrowbridge line.
  LL10194 Station Master

Location: Perth
Back on topic to Mouse’s original post starting this thread...

Firstly I’m a bit surprised that the two extensions are being bundled into one contract. I would have thought that the geographic separation of the two projects would negate any cost savings, but then fashions in contracting for public works change almost as often as hemlines.

The youtube flythrough of the Yanchep extension shows new TODs at each station, which is a positive, even though our urban sprawl isn’t so great. Interesting that the preliminary concept design for Alkimos has a bus station spanning the line, almost echoing the bus stations at Warwick and Whitfords, but the Eglinton and Yanchep stations both have the buses to one side like most of the green field stations on the Mandurah line.

As for the Thornlie - Cockburn link I wonder a little about the slightly odd platform extension to Cockburn and the lack of the Jandakot station that appears to have some land reserved in the MRS, probably dating back as far as the original planned alignment of the Mandurah line. Perhaps Jandakot has been left out because there may be serious long term plans for the Forrestfield – Thornlie – Murdoch – Fremantle line that could require a deviation before Jandakot. Wild speculation on my behalf here.

And back off topic Nightfire is right about the need for tunneling for any extension beyond Fremantle, but I doubt that it would follow the existing freight alignment. Yes, expensive and hence quite some time in the future before the cost benefit analysis adds up I suspect.

And further off topic Cockburn Central was going to be called Thompsons Lake until the community consultation consultants got involved. So either the local community were very happy with the slightly unfortunate connotations of the name of their local government area, or the community consultation consultants had to make some change to justify the process. Admittedly Thompsons Lake isn’t that close anyway, it is nearer to the more recent Aubin Grove station.
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
The usual why the extension beyond Fremantle can't happen. However:

The line between Fremantle and South Beach was once double tracked, one being replaced by a bicycle path.
In many countries around the world metro systems in cities have short sections of single track that don't cause a problem due to scheduling, I know I have been on them.  Once past the roundhouse and Fishermans harbour a double track or passing point could be built.

Scheduling also could permit freight trains to run on same tracks, again once past South Beach there could be even triple track, one being dedicated Freight.  I am sure that accommodating the 6 trains a Day each way can't be too hard.

Also they have been talking about light rain until your ears bleed, a solution, modern light rail does not need overhead power, can be reasonable high speed, and can run down South Tce until it picks up the rail reserve at South Beach, this would be the best option.

We have a short sighted attitude to public transport, we wait until all the houses have been built then Oh! There is no transport, what can we do.  By the time anything happens the people living there have been conditioned into using cars.  Transport first then houses.  There is a new generation coming through that are not so car crazy, they will embrace public transport but it has to be there.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The usual why the extension beyond Fremantle can't happen. However:

The line between Fremantle and South Beach was once double tracked, one being replaced by a bicycle path.
In many countries around the world metro systems in cities have short sections of single track that don't cause a problem due to scheduling, I know I have been on them.  Once past the roundhouse and Fishermans harbour a double track or passing point could be built.

Scheduling also could permit freight trains to run on same tracks, again once past South Beach there could be even triple track, one being dedicated Freight.  I am sure that accommodating the 6 trains a Day each way can't be too hard.

Also they have been talking about light rain until your ears bleed, a solution, modern light rail does not need overhead power, can be reasonable high speed, and can run down South Tce until it picks up the rail reserve at South Beach, this would be the best option.

We have a short sighted attitude to public transport, we wait until all the houses have been built then Oh! There is no transport, what can we do.  By the time anything happens the people living there have been conditioned into using cars.  Transport first then houses.  There is a new generation coming through that are not so car crazy, they will embrace public transport but it has to be there.
witzendoz
Is there still a plan to move the majority of the Fremantle heavy port operations to Cockburn Sound (Henderson / Kwinana)
If so this would remove the need to run container trains to the port of Fremantle.

The tracks South of Fremantle Station could than be used for light rail towards Coogee, with the possibility of continuing East to Cockburn Central Railway Station.
  X Class Locomotive Driver

I've also often wondered about the Northern line being referred to as "The Joondalup Line" .  Joondalup station was never the original terminus - Currambine claims that one.  I would well imagine though that the Forrestfield line currently under construction will be officially known as the "Airport Line" for the convenience of tourists.  Time will tell.
  62440 Deputy Commissioner

It will be good to see the Thornlie link complete at last. It was out to tender and there were well advanced bids in 2001 when the new government scrapped the project and started again, so the opening dates went back from Rocky 2003, Mandurah 2004 to 2007. Being able to squeeze the railway through the South Perth bottleneck just worked (there are steel masts as the concrete ones were too wide) and the direct line to Perth has served well. The official need for the change was to "serve the workers" though many workers would have benefitted with a link via Kewdale.
The line north has been struggling to keep up with the developers but the aligment was set years ago and extensions station by station as funds became available. When it is finished, there will be a long suburban line, comparable to Bedford Brighton!
I remember going on a site visit to Leda station, but the bush was too dense to see much, by the time the Wellard station came it was an established town. By the same token, Byford is way overdue for an extension and Ellenbrook was created with the rail link in mind.

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