Massive SSR grain train

 
Topic moved from New South Wales by bevans on 20 Jun 2018 13:10
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
We could probably make a thread for all of the grain movements to the NW NSW and Qld from the east and south, but thought this was interesting:

https://www.northqueenslandregister.com.au/story/5574816/freight-and-transport-logistics-a-priority/
"The problem at present seems to be they all want to be near the project but not have it running across their place, but that is something we will work through"

Nailed it.

BG
BrentonGolding
Way off topic......

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  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
First 100 wagon train into Dimboola this Sunday 9/9.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
First 100 wagon train into Dimboola this Sunday 9/9.
bingley hall
Good luck to them. Hope that all goes well.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
First 100 wagon train into Dimboola this Sunday 9/9.
bingley hall
Where is it off to Bing, heading up North again?

BG
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
First 100 wagon train into Dimboola this Sunday 9/9.
Where is it off to Bing, heading up North again?

BG
BrentonGolding
102 wagons.

Part to Narrabri and part to Parkes
  MetroFemme Chief Train Controller

Via melbourne?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Am I right in saying this is the first grain monster train being loaded in Dimboola as previously they have been loading in South Australia?

Your question about is good in that could the network capacity on the north east line and the western line hear in Victoria enough to allow this train to run without being able to place it into a loop without major timetable interruptions?

If it went west then good luck on the Adelaide hills the power required would be high.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
Am I right in saying this is the first grain monster train being loaded in Dimboola as previously they have been loading in South Australia?

Your question about is good in that could the network capacity on the north east line and the western line hear in Victoria enough to allow this train to run without being able to place it into a loop without major timetable interruptions?

If it went west then good luck on the Adelaide hills the power required would be high.
bevans
Just remember that not all wagons are of the same length.

Wheat Hoppers are usually around 15m, so 102 would equate to 1530m + Locos.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Am I right in saying this is the first grain monster train being loaded in Dimboola as previously they have been loading in South Australia?

Your question about is good in that could the network capacity on the north east line and the western line hear in Victoria enough to allow this train to run without being able to place it into a loop without major timetable interruptions?

If it went west then good luck on the Adelaide hills the power required would be high.
Just remember that not all wagons are of the same length.

Wheat Hoppers are usually around 15m, so 102 would equate to 1530m + Locos.
mikesyd

It's a moving smorgasboard, but it will now be 101 wagons and with 5 locos the length will be 1750m give or take a metre or two.

@bevans If any train will be interrupted it will be the grain train. There are 1800m paths between Coota, Melbourne and Dimboola, though they are rarely used as such, and ARTC will have pathed this train to make the best use of the infrastructure without impacting on other services.

As for your comment about the Adelaide Hills, I'm pretty sure ARTC's existing tonnage limits in the Hills would prevent the operation of a loaded 100 wagon grain train.
  Andrewdr Station Master

With respect to the Adelaide Hills tonnage restriction, would distributed power solve that issue?
  Bethungra Train Controller

It seems clear the train will run from western Victoria to Melbourne and then onto the North East line.  Will it be departing tomorrow?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

With respect to the Adelaide Hills tonnage restriction, would distributed power solve that issue?
Andrewdr
It would solve the original reason for the restriction, but getting ARTC to lift the restriction would be a far harder task than getting that train over the hills.

There's no reason for it to take that roundabout route though. ARTC were the recipients of an extremely large amount of taxpayer funding for the purpose of making the Adelaide-Melbourne and Melbourne-Sydney corridors capable of taking 1800m trains, and there would be some quite awkward questions to be asked if they attempted to deny access when a properly accredited operator wants to run a ~1700m train on these routes.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
With respect to the Adelaide Hills tonnage restriction, would distributed power solve that issue?
It would solve the original reason for the restriction, but getting ARTC to lift the restriction would be a far harder task than getting that train over the hills.

There's no reason for it to take that roundabout route though. ARTC were the recipients of an extremely large amount of taxpayer funding for the purpose of making the Adelaide-Melbourne and Melbourne-Sydney corridors capable of taking 1800m trains, and there would be some quite awkward questions to be asked if they attempted to deny access when a properly accredited operator wants to run a ~1700m train on these routes.
justapassenger
As always, it's all ARTC's fault.

The operators demanded 1800m paths on the Adelaide-Melbourne and Melbourne-Sydney corridors which were provided at taxpayer expense, and then chose not use them.
  BigShunter Deputy Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
So did this train actually arrive, load and depart, I cruised passed Dimmy, Friday morning, yard trucks all parked and no sign of any action at all and on my return trip, flew past ( daughter at the wheel ) 3.00 pm Sunday, again not a sign of anybody.

As far as loading, would they have left half the consist in a siding in Dimmy, would be suprised if the loading siding, accommodate the whole train, could be wrong ?

By the way, not a whole lot of grain, left in the site, interesting.

BigShunter.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Recorded via Albion on the UP at https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/albion2/photo/30705384448

I will seek to retrieve the video.
  steven_h Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Recorded via Albion on the UP at https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/albion2/photo/30705384448

I will seek to retrieve the video.
bevans

Very tricky Smile UP for another kilometre before it became a DOWN train headed out west.
There was mention that it was to 'turn around' at Tottenham, but for all we know it just used the triangle and headed straight out through Brooklyn.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

Very tricky Smile UP for another kilometre before it became a DOWN train headed out west.
There was mention that it was to 'turn around' at Tottenham, but for all we know it just used the triangle and headed straight out through Brooklyn.
steven_h

I can't see why it would reverse at Tottenham as the locos would still need to be on the front and via the western triangle to Brooklyn.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
Well C505 was on the front when it left Cootamundra, and on the front when it arrived in Dimboola, so I guess that answers the question. C505/7/6/10 and RL306 in that order + 100 hoppers.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
So did this train actually arrive, load and depart, I cruised passed Dimmy, Friday morning, yard trucks all parked and no sign of any action at all and on my return trip, flew past ( daughter at the wheel ) 3.00 pm Sunday, again not a sign of anybody.

As far as loading, would they have left half the consist in a siding in Dimmy, would be suprised if the loading siding, accommodate the whole train, could be wrong ?

By the way, not a whole lot of grain, left in the site, interesting.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Looks like it arrived in Dimboola around 11am today (Monday) or a bit earlier, as there is a 4hr old post on FB showing it there.

Yes, the loading (Grainflow site just W of town) will be a an interesting exercise due to length of the grain siding. The Loop opposite is supposedly 1500m, so might see use as well.
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Yes, the loading (Grainflow site just W of town) will be an interesting exercise due to length of the grain siding. The Loop opposite is supposedly 1500m, so might see use as well.
mikesyd
Dimboola Loop is 1800m and has been for the last Twelve Months.

Fifty Hoppers were to be left at Glenorchy to be swapped over tomorrow.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Well C505 was on the front when it left Cootamundra, and on the front when it arrived in Dimboola, so I guess that answers the question. C505/7/6/10 and RL306 in that order + 100 hoppers.
mikesyd
Makes sense.
Where/why would one try to run around an 1800 m train in Melbourne?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Yes, the loading (Grainflow site just W of town) will be an interesting exercise due to length of the grain siding. The Loop opposite is supposedly 1500m, so might see use as well.
Dimboola Loop is 1800m and has been for the last Twelve Months.

Fifty Hoppers were to be left at Glenorchy to be swapped over tomorrow.
Jack Le Lievre

Thanks Jack.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: no longer in Sydney
Yes, the loading (Grainflow site just W of town) will be an interesting exercise due to length of the grain siding. The Loop opposite is supposedly 1500m, so might see use as well.
Dimboola Loop is 1800m and has been for the last Twelve Months.

Fifty Hoppers were to be left at Glenorchy to be swapped over tomorrow.
Jack Le Lievre
They must have changed that as video shows all 100 wagons when it passed through Murtoa.
  trainguy84 Junior Train Controller

One wagon was dropped off at either Frampton or Junee due to flat spots on the wheels.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Goulburn
One wagon was dropped off at either Frampton or Junee due to flat spots on the wheels.
trainguy84
Must have been Junee, no where to take it off at Frampton these days.

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