Malcolm Turncoat's imploding act

 
  Dangersdan707 Deputy Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
What good is whining about the situation and playing the blame game going to do? These are the cards that have been dealt whether we like it or not so we just have to deal with it and try to avoid making the same problem for the next generations.
Greensleeves
Very much agreed, The Neo-Liberals of both major parties have sold out my generation thus I shan't be voting for them or any of the Parties in Federal Parlement as there are no 'real' extreme left parties that Represent my views. Don Like's the Blame game on immigrants and offshoring like any disgruntled voter that has drifted towards one nation. Valvegear is old enough to seemingly read between the lines of all major political parties. Greensleeve's just smells smeg about Don this time around.

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  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

What good is whining about the situation and playing the blame game going to do? These are the cards that have been dealt whether we like it or not so we just have to deal with it and try to avoid making the same problem for the next generations.
Very much agreed, The Neo-Liberals of both major parties have sold out my generation thus I shan't be voting for them or any of the Parties in Federal Parlement as there are no 'real' extreme left parties that Represent my views. Don Like's the Blame game on immigrants and offshoring like any disgruntled voter that has drifted towards one nation. Valvegear is old enough to seemingly read between the lines of all major political parties. Greensleeve's just smells smeg about Don this time around.
Dangersdan707
Scratch most older Australians and they are racists. One Nation appeals to these old troglodytes as that is their political DNA, but it is disgusting the Liberals pander after them as they should know better.
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
You just don't want to see yourself as part of the problem, do you. In fact, you can't possibly conceive of how you could be part of the problem - that's why you put up the "none of your business" shingle - to shut the argument down.

"Oh no, it can't possibly be my generation. All we did was suck up all the free education (while it was there), the super-low unemployment with well-paid and stable jobs you had for a life-time (what's a 'gig-economy'?), the real estate that was only 2-4 times yearly median income (instead of 8-10 times like it is now). Now we're ageing and we're costing the health and welfare systems a motza and the workers of today have to suck it up. Sucks to be them."
don_dunstan


That would be one of the more outrageously stupid posts you have ever made.  

The "none of your business" statement is true, but I answered anyway because I'm not afraid of facts.
I have worked in the Australian economy for 56 years.  I have twice been retrenched. I have then sought other jobs and succeeded. The state of the economy was something in which I had to live. I went through two recessions.
Free education? Secondary at a State High School, and Tertiary education by scholarship if you'd like to know, otherwise we could not have afforded it.
Stable jobs? Already answered.
You might be ageing and costing the health and welfare systems a lot, but I'm not costing them anything. I have paid my way and I still do.
So no; I do not see myself as part of any problem.

You have an active brain and a fertile imagination, and you misuse both to an alarming degree.
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

@DonDunstan no it does not sound like a city under siege. As horrendous as it is we are talking about a  number of streets in 2 suburbs. Stop trying to sensationise everything because clearly you have no time for Sudanese.

Michael
Are you going to throw the "R" word at me too?

Imagine that was your suburb, Michael - do you think you'd be happy at being told to lock your doors, stay inside, move your car off the street too? Or is that par for the course, a day in the life?
don_dunstan
No I am not going to throw the R word at you but if racist lies seem seductive and appealing to you, you tell me?  I have never once seen you say that the vast majority of Sudanese are law abiding. Nope it seems according to you all Sudanese are lawless scum. Feel free to prove me otherwise.

My mother in law and brother in law live in Werribee. They have never felt threatened.

The "Imagine if that was your suburb" statement means that you have aboslutely nothing to offer except meaningless statements designed to whip up sentiments against Sudanese. Don it is absolutely terrible what some Sudanese youth are doing, they need to respect the law, they need to feel the full weight of the law and the Victorian Government needs to show leadership, and I hope the law abiding members of that community help bring them to justice. How many times do I have to say it Don but I and others can say that until we are blue in the face and you and people like Dutton will never hear it. Melbourne is not under siege from a minority, the vast majority of whom are law abiding. You and others won't be happy until the bring in some sort of suss law like they did in London in the 1980's where black men were routinely being stopped and sometimes arrested, without charge on suspicion of committing a crime, doing absolutely nothing.

This otherism which the likes of Dutton seem to peddle happened in the 1980's in the UK. The result, a young black man, Stephen Lawrence with his friend got chase by racist youths and he got stabbed to death. So if you and that twit Dutton and the likes of Bolt want to out all Africans because of the outrageous behaviour of a minority then do not be surprised if some absolute loon wants to take action and target that community.


Michael
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I have worked in the Australian economy for 56 years.  I have twice been retrenched.
Valvegear
Free money from being retrenched.
I have then sought other jobs and succeeded. The state of the economy was something in which I had to live. I went through two recessions.
Valvegear
Absolutely nothing like the jobs market is now, I'm sure. Did you get a mortgage on that house that cost you four times your annual income? What was the cost of your house - I bet it wasn't 8-10 times your annual income like it is now. Another HUGE free kick to the Baby Boomers - the real estate boom that every home-owner loves, especially those in inner Melbourne like you.
Free education? Secondary at a State High School, and Tertiary education by scholarship if you'd like to know, otherwise we could not have afforded it.
Valvegear
More free stuff from other people and the government.
Stable jobs? Already answered.
Valvegear
IN other words "I've had mine, too bad the younger generation are screwed".
You might be ageing and costing the health and welfare systems a lot, but I'm not costing them anything. I have paid my way and I still do. So no; I do not see myself as part of any problem.
Valvegear
If you get Medicare then you're STILL getting free stuff paid for by others. If you get private health insurance then that's STILL free stuff that's subsidised by the taxpayer by one third.

You and your generation just can't help but put your hand out for more free stuff, you people love your free things gifted by providence, gifted by the Lucky Country. But who cares about the younger generations being saddled with enormous debts, university debts, half a million dollar mortgages... they should have been born when YOU were born. Too bad that neo-liberalism is going to crush their living standards... too bad, so sad.
You have an active brain and a fertile imagination, and you misuse both to an alarming degree.
Valvegear
Calling out hypocrites like you?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
No I am not going to throw the R word at you but if racist lies seem seductive and appealing to you, you tell me?  I have never once seen you say that the vast majority of Sudanese are law abiding. Nope it seems according to you all Sudanese are lawless scum. Feel free to prove me otherwise.
mejhammers1
Where did I say that? It's true that a minority of Sudanese kids are causing this problem - but its a helluva problem and its really public. Ordinary hard-working Sudanese people probably despair at the smear against their community being committed by the minority.
My mother in law and brother in law live in Werribee. They have never felt threatened.
mejhammers1
Give it time. That woman who was car-jacked the other day in Dandy probably never felt threatened right up until she was robbed of her car.
Don it is absolutely terrible what some Sudanese youth are doing, they need to respect the law, they need to feel the full weight of the law and the Victorian Government needs to show leadership, and I hope the law abiding members of that community help bring them to justice.
mejhammers1
But that's exactly the problem; kids on parole who go out and do the exact same thing again. Whatever they're doing to manage the situation it isn't working - whatever the Sudanese community themselves are doing to manage the problem isn't working either.
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Don,

I have read your latest diatribe which accuses me of a being a freeloader for:- getting an education; having jobs; benefiting from being retrenched; buying property to live in; having Medicare or Health insurance; putting my hand out "for free stuff"(unspecified), and finally being a hypocrite.

It's quite evident that you have a deep seated hatred of everyone of my generation.

You are obviously mad, but I'll ask you one question.  "How should I have lived my life up until now?"
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Tony Abbott and his conservative rump in the LNP are not convinced that the National Energy Guarantee is worth voting for (Nine);

"I just think that's wrong. The so-called National Energy Guarantee is all about reducing emissions," he said.

"It's an emissions reduction policy. It's not a price reduction policy.

"The first priority is to get prices down. The second priority is to keep the lights on.

"And if we are able to reduce emissions, that's an added bonus. "It gets the priorities absolutely upside down and that's why I've got enormous difficulties supporting it."

The policy will be thrashed out at a meeting of energy ministers tomorrow, and also be discussed at the coalition party meeting next Tuesday.

I'm finding myself warming to Tones - because on this issue he's completely right. Malcolm is not reading the crisis correctly; the priority should be to return electricity prices to more affordable levels. Instead the fact that we have the highest domestic electricity prices in the world is being ignored in favour of transitioning to more unreliable and expensive energy sources.

Stupid.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
You are obviously mad, but I'll ask you one question.  "How should I have lived my life up until now?"
Valvegear
Just reflect on the fact that you were part of a charmed generation that got everything - and that your descendants are doing it much tougher.

I notice you left the affordable housing part well alone; I'd imagine that the biggest leg-up you got in your life was buying in inner Melbourne.

I can just hear you now saying "It's not my fault I bought a house that's now worth twenty times what I paid for it".

Yeah, but how do the kids of today get to participate in the housing thing like you did? Short answer is that they can't.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
You've hit the "source code" button and I can't really read what you've written. You need to edit the post and hit the "source code" button again to make it display properly.
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The repair of the post isn't working - it is rewritten here.

Exactly as I thought - no answer to the question. I still want you to tell me what I have done wrong.

Just reflect on the fact that you were part of a charmed generation that got everything - and that your descendants are doing it much tougher.
don_dunstan
I was born during the first year of World War 2. For the next 8 years, we lived with rationing. . . not a good start. I have no idea where you get the idea that we got everything. I'll say it again - I have worked hard for evrything I have; exactly as my father did, and exactly as my sons are doing.

My first car was 29 years old when I bought it. My sons and daughters-in-law's first cars were less than three years old when bought. They have start of the art TV, phones, computers, dishwashers, and so on. They are not doing it tougher than I did.

I notice you left the affordable housing part well alone; I'd imagine that the biggest leg-up you got in your life was buying in inner Melbourne.
don_dunstan
I didn't buy in inner Melbourne until 12 years ago.

I can just hear you now saying "It's not my fault I bought a house that's now worth twenty times what I paid for it"
don_dunstan
That's because it isn't.

Yeah, but how do the kids of today get to participate in the housing thing like you did? Short answer is that they can't.
don_dunstan
The first sensible comment you've made. Is it my fault? What should I do about it?

I am self supporting without resort to cheating, dishonesty or crime. Hypocrite?
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

@DonDunstan it is public. And a hell of a problem. It is for those suburbs but it does not warrant what Dutton said. People can and do walk the streets of Melbourne without fear. Dutton is a racist.

But that's exactly the problem; kids on parole who go out and do the exact same thing again.

And that is unique to the Sudanese? You will find that is true of most offenders regardless of race.

Give it time.

So you reckon it is inevitable do u? Hey I live in the Inner South and every Jewish establishment, including Primary schools and Kindergartens for goodness sake, has guards in an area where there is not the racial diversity. Certainly there are no Sudanese. If I said it was inevitable that they would be attacked in what is an overwhelmingly white area, you would be calling me a racist.

Yes the problem exists but what is Dutton's incendiary comments trying to achieve apart from giving comfort to the extreme right.


Michael
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
@DonDunstan it is public. And a hell of a problem. It is for those suburbs but it does not warrant what Dutton said. People can and do walk the streets of Melbourne without fear. Dutton is a racist.

Give it time. So you reckon it is inevitable do u? Hey I live in the Inner South and every Jewish establishment has guards in an area where there is not the racial diversity. If I said it was inevitable that they would be attacked in an overwhemgly white area you would be on the attack calling me a racist.

Yes the problem exists but what is Dutton's incendiary comments trying to achieve apart from giving comfort to the extreme right.


Michael
mejhammers1

Dutton's just trying to make the Andrews Government look bad ahead of the upcoming state election. If the State Libs were in power he wouldn't be making a sound about it, just as if it wasn't an election year.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Tony Abbott and his conservative rump in the LNP are not convinced that the National Energy Guarantee is worth voting for (Nine);

"I just think that's wrong. The so-called National Energy Guarantee is all about reducing emissions," he said.

"It's an emissions reduction policy. It's not a price reduction policy.

"The first priority is to get prices down. The second priority is to keep the lights on.

"And if we are able to reduce emissions, that's an added bonus. "It gets the priorities absolutely upside down and that's why I've got enormous difficulties supporting it."

The policy will be thrashed out at a meeting of energy ministers tomorrow, and also be discussed at the coalition party meeting next Tuesday.

I'm finding myself warming to Tones - because on this issue he's completely right. Malcolm is not reading the crisis correctly; the priority should be to return electricity prices to more affordable levels. Instead the fact that we have the highest domestic electricity prices in the world is being ignored in favour of transitioning to more unreliable and expensive energy sources.

Stupid.
don_dunstan
Still living in the past Don. No one can reduce electricity prices in this country. We actually should go nuclear as a base load and solar panels and batteries can do the rest as is happening.
  Dangersdan707 Deputy Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Tony Abbott and his conservative rump in the LNP are not convinced that the National Energy Guarantee is worth voting for (Nine);

"I just think that's wrong. The so-called National Energy Guarantee is all about reducing emissions," he said.

"It's an emissions reduction policy. It's not a price reduction policy.

"The first priority is to get prices down. The second priority is to keep the lights on.

"And if we are able to reduce emissions, that's an added bonus. "It gets the priorities absolutely upside down and that's why I've got enormous difficulties supporting it."

The policy will be thrashed out at a meeting of energy ministers tomorrow, and also be discussed at the coalition party meeting next Tuesday.

I'm finding myself warming to Tones - because on this issue he's completely right. Malcolm is not reading the crisis correctly; the priority should be to return electricity prices to more affordable levels. Instead the fact that we have the highest domestic electricity prices in the world is being ignored in favour of transitioning to more unreliable and expensive energy sources.

Stupid.
Still living in the past Don. No one can reduce electricity prices in this country. We actually should go nuclear as a base load and solar panels and batteries can do the rest as is happening.
nswtrains
If we go nuclear (as we should) all the nimbys and greenies would be outraged...
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
@DonDunstan it is public. And a hell of a problem. It is for those suburbs but it does not warrant what Dutton said. People can and do walk the streets of Melbourne without fear. Dutton is a racist.

But that's exactly the problem; kids on parole who go out and do the exact same thing again.

And that is unique to the Sudanese? You will find that is true of most offenders regardless of race.

Give it time.

So you reckon it is inevitable do u? Hey I live in the Inner South and every Jewish establishment, including Primary schools and Kindergartens for goodness sake, has guards in an area where there is not the racial diversity. Certainly there are no Sudanese. If I said it was inevitable that they would be attacked in what is an overwhelmingly white area, you would be calling me a racist.

Yes the problem exists but what is Dutton's incendiary comments trying to achieve apart from giving comfort to the extreme right.


Michael
mejhammers1
If the Labour party won the next election, even most of them (sensible ones) would want Dutton as their immigration minister.

Even MT wasn't allowed to sack the very public supporter of TA when he took the PM crown.

The dogooders and lefties hate him because he stopped the boats and sent make a large number of so called refugees.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Still living in the past Don. No one can reduce electricity prices in this country. We actually should go nuclear as a base load and solar panels and batteries can do the rest as is happening.
If we go nuclear (as we should) all the nimbys and greenies would be outraged...
Dangersdan707
I'll go one better than the NIMBY's, anyone wanting to build a nuclear power station, I'll buy the land and you can lease it off me land I'll live on part of it not required. My only request, considering my off-spring for employment when they finish school.

Downside is that nuclear power is expensive, but considering what the idiots have done to SA, NSW and now Vic, its probably not much more.
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

@DonDunstan it is public. And a hell of a problem. It is for those suburbs but it does not warrant what Dutton said. People can and do walk the streets of Melbourne without fear. Dutton is a racist.

But that's exactly the problem; kids on parole who go out and do the exact same thing again.

And that is unique to the Sudanese? You will find that is true of most offenders regardless of race.

Give it time.

So you reckon it is inevitable do u? Hey I live in the Inner South and every Jewish establishment, including Primary schools and Kindergartens for goodness sake, has guards in an area where there is not the racial diversity. Certainly there are no Sudanese. If I said it was inevitable that they would be attacked in what is an overwhelmingly white area, you would be calling me a racist.

Yes the problem exists but what is Dutton's incendiary comments trying to achieve apart from giving comfort to the extreme right.


Michael
If the Labour party won the next election, even most of them (sensible ones) would want Dutton as their immigration minister.

Even MT wasn't allowed to sack the very public supporter of TA when he took the PM crown.

The dogooders and lefties hate him because he stopped the boats and sent make a large number of so called refugees.
RTT_Rules
Yeah and then wanting to give White SA farmers refugee status on the back of some you tube videos from some inbred English lady called Katie Hopkins, whilst viewing every refugee from non white nations with suspicion makes him such a great Immigration minister. He is a racist twat and I am far from being a rabid leftie.

Michael
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Another Liberal MP talking complete sense on the stupidity of the Paris Agreement (2GB yesterday);

Liberal MP Craig Kelly has savaged Australia’s involvement in the Paris Agreement, saying it is “achieves nothing”.

Australia has signed up to the Paris targets and has committed to reducing its emissions by 26 to 28 per cent by 2030.

But Mr Kelly says major emitters like China and India have done nothing to reduce their impact, and Australia is stuck with “the most onerous targets per capita in the world”.

The Member for Hughes tells Ben Fordham we should no longer be apart of the deal.

“I’m not the prime minister, but I think we should pull out of Paris.

“I think it’s damaging to the economy and I think it achieves nothing.

“There’s no environmental advantage of it.”

He's a hundred percent right; why are we expected to de-industrialise completely while China and India ignore their Paris Agreement targets? We have set ourselves the highest targets for carbon reduction of all the nations who signed the agreement - why? Nobody else cares - why should we? And what on earth are we doing to our own people - we already have the highest domestic electricity prices in the world and we're determined to make them even more expensive and unreliable thanks to the "National Energy Guarantee". Why?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

At the rate things are going, renewable energy will be cheaper than building replacement coal-fired powerplants.  I hope the NEG doesn't lock us into old tech that ends up more expensive than the new stuff.  (P.S. I'm very conservative on most issues, but I'm siding with the lefties on this one.)
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
At the rate things are going, renewable energy will be cheaper than building replacement coal-fired powerplants.  I hope the NEG doesn't lock us into old tech that ends up more expensive than the new stuff.  (P.S. I'm very conservative on most issues, but I'm siding with the lefties on this one.)
Carnot
You mean: Hopefully all the poor suckers who are captive to the grid are prepared to keep paying $170 a year each household to continue the conversion to unreliables. That's in addition to all the direct subsidies that the government gives unreliables such as capital grants to build an incredibly inefficient pumped storage scheme. There's no way to measure weather unreliables are costed correctly or not because they're so heavily subsidised at every level - coal is too mind you but unreliables get all sorts of special treatment at the taxpayer and energy-user's expense.

And did you hear the one about Twiggy Forrest building a gas import terminal in NSW so that the gas that we liquefied and shipped to Japan can be re-purchased (by us), bought back by ship, re-gassified and then sold on the eastern seaboard's gas "market" - because it's going to be cheaper than buying it straight off the producers domestically? It's a riot I tell you - we've become so screwed by dis-economies, tax-write offs, subsidies and straight out rorts that it's actually cheaper to buy our own gas back from Japan. In the meantime we have the very highest domestic electricity rates in the world here in South Australia... think about that for a moment - in a country loaded with gas, coal and uranium we actually have world-beating electricity prices.

What a joke this country has become - at the ordinary worker's expense.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I don't mean to derail this thread with green stuff (yet again) but I'm sick to death of being given excuses as to why we have the most expensive electricity in the world. I don't care one iota about saving the planet - I want affordable heating for my house.

And the gas situation is ludicrous - break the goddam contracts with Asia, assert national sovereignty over our resources instead of allowing them to be sold below cost off shore by the gas robber barons. Sadly Malcolm would have to show some leadership in order to do that and he's not a leader - he's a snivelling, grovelling defender of the big end of town.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
I don't care one iota about saving the planet - I want affordable heating for my house.
don_dunstan

Isn't that they very same "screw the future generations, I want my own life to be comfortable" attitude you were accusing @Valvegear of having earlier in this thread? Certainly sounds the same
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
There's a lot of evidence that Baby Boomers were the charmed generation; there's zero evidence that having coal generation keep going in Australia was going to make a scintilla of difference to the environment.

OUR COAL GETS BURNT ANYWAY - it's just not us benefiting from it.
  Valvegear The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Norda Fittazroy
There's a lot of evidence that Baby Boomers were the charmed generation
don_dunstan
Well make your mind up Don. First you were giving me hell for being from the charmed generation; now it's the Baby Boomers.

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