Malcolm Turncoat's imploding act

 
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Reports are that a 2nd strike on Truffles could come as early as Thursday

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  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Reports are that a 2nd strike on Truffles could come as early as Thursday

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lsrailfan
Amazing how quickly the end is coming -

Only a few months ago he looked like he'd almost completely recovered from most of his internal front-bench concerns; now all the sudden he's taken a Pea Beau right to the face and is back on the window-sill buzzing in a sickly manner.

Haven't we been here before?

I'm not sure if Dutton was really that keen but I know someone who is... wink, wink.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Several ministers have tendered their resignations tonight, yep, that's a sure sign that Turnbulls time is up!

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  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

I'm sick of this! Sure, I haven't voted yet, but I cannot remember the last time a leader has served a full term of government. This is ridiculous. Honestly think that if the party in power wants to change its leader, it should have to put the new leader to the Australian people. Many people vote on the leader, rather than the party, so it is unfair for them to have the leader changed without a vote. Hopefully the Liberals get what they deserve in the upcoming election(s).
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Look, it's a sure-fire sign that we're in trouble as a nation. Any corporation that's in trouble keeps sacking the CEO and we've been through - how many? - in the last 8 years? Rudd-Gillard-Rudd-Abbott-Turnbull-???

It will probably be PM Abbott again before the end of the week. I'm willing to forgive him if he drops his war against the poor - they caused the unemployment by helping off-shore everything, why punish the unemployed for the consequences of their own policy? Otherwise if he promises to halve power bills and stop the gas rort then I'm also prepared to vote for him. Sure, why not - anything to upset the rubes.

Anyway who knows where this thing is spluttering next...
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Look, it's a sure-fire sign that we're in trouble as a nation. Any corporation that's in trouble keeps sacking the CEO and we've been through - how many? - in the last 8 years? Rudd-Gillard-Rudd-Abbott-Turnbull-???

It will probably be PM Abbott again before the end of the week. I'm willing to forgive him if he drops his war against the poor - they caused the unemployment by helping off-shore everything, why punish the unemployed for the consequences of their own policy? Otherwise if he promises to halve power bills and stop the gas rort then I'm also prepared to vote for him. Sure, why not - anything to upset the rubes.

Anyway who knows where this thing is spluttering next...
don_dunstan
Turnbull needs to stop prevaricating and call a general election immediately. They will lose but at least we will be rid Abbott and the other religious nutters that make up the hard right.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Several ministers have tendered their resignations tonight, yep, that's a sure sign that Turnbulls time is up!

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lsrailfan

And in true Malcolm style, he's refusing to accept them.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Look, it's a sure-fire sign that we're in trouble as a nation. Any corporation that's in trouble keeps sacking the CEO and we've been through - how many? - in the last 8 years? Rudd-Gillard-Rudd-Abbott-Turnbull-???

It will probably be PM Abbott again before the end of the week. I'm willing to forgive him if he drops his war against the poor - they caused the unemployment by helping off-shore everything, why punish the unemployed for the consequences of their own policy? Otherwise if he promises to halve power bills and stop the gas rort then I'm also prepared to vote for him. Sure, why not - anything to upset the rubes.

Anyway who knows where this thing is spluttering next...
Turnbull needs to stop prevaricating and call a general election immediately. They will lose but at least we will be rid Abbott and the other religious nutters that make up the hard right.
nswtrains
Yes, but unfortunately, ego will get in the way.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Reading a piece now that says sources close to the PM, are saying that he will not call an early election, but surely that's the only way to sort out this mess isn't it?? also reading a piece that says if Dutton does get elected, there will be senior figures that will refuse to serve under him, this whole thing is a farce!!

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  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Reading a piece now that says sources close to the PM, are saying that he will not call an early election, but surely that's the only way to sort out this mess isn't it?? also reading a piece that says if Dutton does get elected, there will be senior figures that will refuse to serve under him, this whole thing is a farce!!

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lsrailfan
Time for Liberals to split so we get an actual Liberal Party and a Fascist one Wink
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
reubstar6, I don’t know old you are, if you’ve not voted you’re not that old.

The last Prime Minister to sit their full term was John Howard, who sat in the office for about 11 years. Howard concluded his term in 2007, which likely means he was elected PM before you were born.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Malcolm's tax cuts for business failed to get a majority vote in the Senate this morning.  The writing is on the wall.  But calling a snap election would be a Kamakaze reaction.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Malcolm's tax cuts for business failed to get a majority vote in the Senate this morning.  The writing is on the wall.  But calling a snap election would be a Kamakaze reaction.
Carnot

Reading in the Age today that the Liberals haven't even got their finances and candidates sorted for it, if the dead man walking called it now it'd be a disaster for them.

EDIT: Here we are: https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-liberal-party-is-short-of-cash-just-months-out-from-a-federal-election-20180821-p4zyv8.html

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The Liberal Party is heading towards a looming federal election short of cash, with prominent MPs and marginal seat holders struggling to secure the millions of dollars needed to mount an effective campaign against Labor.
The Coalition could also enter the contest without a personal contribution from its biggest political donor - Malcolm Turnbull - who in 2016 donated $1.75 million of his own money but would not do the same should he be dumped as Prime Minister before the next election.
As leadership turmoil engulfs the Coalition government and speculation grows that an election could be called soon after any leadership switch to Peter Dutton, one senior Liberal described the party's financial situation as "parlous".
Fairfax Media understands Liberal MP Craig Kelly - one of the chief agitators behind this week's dumping of the National Energy Guarantee - has contributed just $5000 of a $75,000 fundraising target his electoral conference was expected to provide to head office this term.
Mr Kelly, who is also facing a factional challenge from NSW Liberal vice-president Kent Johns in his southern Sydney seat of Hughes, had $34 in his electoral conference bank account at the end of July, according to party sources who have been briefed on the figures.
Fairfax Media also understands Ann Sudmalis, who holds the seat of Gilmore on an ultra slim margin of just 0.7 per cent, has $27,000 in her electoral conference account but has not contributed any money toward her $75,000 fundraising target.

Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, who resigned from the frontbench on Tuesday after the leadership spill, has a target of $100,000 but had yet to raise any money by the end of July. In contrast, Defence Minister Marise Payne has raised nearly $20,000 more than required.
Other fundraisers who have already hit their target, which is due by the start of the next federal election campaign, include North Sydney MP Trent Zimmerman and Assistant Home Affairs Minister Alex Hawke.
The targets are set by the NSW Liberal officials, with the money used to bankroll the federal election campaign. They are one of the most important sources of financing ahead of the election alongside public funding and the broader fundraising effort organised through the head office.
MPs and candidates often secure additional money outside the targets for their own campaigns.
One Liberal suggested Mr Kelly "spend a little more time fundraising and less time speaking to right-wing fringe groups especially when he's asking for the party to support him."
Mr Kelly told Fairfax Media: "The fundraising targets are what needs to be achieved by the election and once we get closer to the election date fundraising picks up as people focus on the election and the thought of a Labor government."
One party figure said the NSW Liberals were in "a parlous financial situation made worse by free-loaders".
It is understandood all elected federal MPs and senators in NSW have been asked to raise $2.3 million in total, but more than $1.4 million is still outstanding.
Liberal MP John Alexander, who has a fundraising target of $150,000 for the federal campaign, is understood to have already contributed $30,000 but has more than $200,000 in his electoral conference bank account.

Treasurer Scott Morrison's electoral conference in Cook, with a target of $175,000, has already contributed $35,000 and has around $178,000 in its account ready to be forwarded to the federal campaign.
In Victoria, the party’s organisational wing remains in a deadlock with its main source of finance, the Cormack Foundation, after a costly court battle for control of the $70 million investment fund ended in stalemate.
The foundation has agreed to bankroll the party’s November state election campaign by directly funding Victorian leader Matthew Guy and his candidates. It is unclear if the foundation will seek the same arrangement for a federal poll, which must be held by May 2019.
Mr Turnbull has repeatedly ruled out an early election, despite speculation on Tuesday that calling an early poll for September or October could stave off a second strike on his leadership by Mr Dutton.
The shortfall in campaign money played a significant role in the Coalition's defeat at the Longman byelection, with Labor sources confirming the party had spent up to $400,000 in the final week of the campaign alone. Labor can also rally union resources and donations, while third-party groups like GetUp! have also spent big on trying to defeat some conservative Coalition MPs.
One major Liberal donor told Fairfax Media a flurry of expensive boardroom dinner events showed how "dire" the financial situation had become.
A recent invitation to a $25,000-a-table dinner - the cost of an annual subscription to the Liberal Party's Australian Business Network forum - was described as particularly offensive.
The party is next week expected to host a full day, $12,500-a-head fundraising event at the Sydney offices of accounting giant PwC, allowing guests to meet with ministers before a private dinner with Mr Turnbull.
Even senator Arthur Sinodinos, who on leave from Parliament due to illness, held a $3000-a-head fundraising dinner with up to a dozen people at the Black Bar and Grill at The Star on July 25."
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Malcolm's tax cuts for business failed to get a majority vote in the Senate this morning.  The writing is on the wall.  But calling a snap election would be a Kamakaze reaction.

The shortfall in campaign money played a significant role in the Coalition's defeat at the Longman byelection, with Labor sources confirming the party had spent up to $400,000 in the final week of the campaign alone. Labor can also rally union resources and donations, while third-party groups like GetUp! have also spent big on trying to defeat some conservative Coalition MPs.
Greensleeves
Hmmmm, not surprising to see the ALP live off workers union dues.  They still wield considerable clout even if they represent only approx. 15% of all workers.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

The party is next week expected to host a full day, $12,500-a-head fundraising event at the Sydney offices of accounting giant PwC, allowing guests to meet with ministers before a private dinner with Mr Turnbull.
Whilst money may not buy influence Laughing It will certainly buy you an audience.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Malcolm's tax cuts for business failed to get a majority vote in the Senate this morning.  The writing is on the wall.  But calling a snap election would be a Kamakaze reaction.

Reading in the Age today that the Liberals haven't even got their finances and candidates sorted for it, if the dead man walking called it now it'd be a disaster for them.

EDIT: Here we are: https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-liberal-party-is-short-of-cash-just-months-out-from-a-federal-election-20180821-p4zyv8.html

"
The Liberal Party is heading towards a looming federal election short of cash, with prominent MPs and marginal seat holders struggling to secure the millions of dollars needed to mount an effective campaign against Labor.
The Coalition could also enter the contest without a personal contribution from its biggest political donor - Malcolm Turnbull - who in 2016 donated $1.75 million of his own money but would not do the same should he be dumped as Prime Minister before the next election.
As leadership turmoil engulfs the Coalition government and speculation grows that an election could be called soon after any leadership switch to Peter Dutton, one senior Liberal described the party's financial situation as "parlous".
Fairfax Media understands Liberal MP Craig Kelly - one of the chief agitators behind this week's dumping of the National Energy Guarantee - has contributed just $5000 of a $75,000 fundraising target his electoral conference was expected to provide to head office this term.
Mr Kelly, who is also facing a factional challenge from NSW Liberal vice-president Kent Johns in his southern Sydney seat of Hughes, had $34 in his electoral conference bank account at the end of July, according to party sources who have been briefed on the figures.
Fairfax Media also understands Ann Sudmalis, who holds the seat of Gilmore on an ultra slim margin of just 0.7 per cent, has $27,000 in her electoral conference account but has not contributed any money toward her $75,000 fundraising target.

Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, who resigned from the frontbench on Tuesday after the leadership spill, has a target of $100,000 but had yet to raise any money by the end of July. In contrast, Defence Minister Marise Payne has raised nearly $20,000 more than required.
Other fundraisers who have already hit their target, which is due by the start of the next federal election campaign, include North Sydney MP Trent Zimmerman and Assistant Home Affairs Minister Alex Hawke.
The targets are set by the NSW Liberal officials, with the money used to bankroll the federal election campaign. They are one of the most important sources of financing ahead of the election alongside public funding and the broader fundraising effort organised through the head office.
MPs and candidates often secure additional money outside the targets for their own campaigns.
One Liberal suggested Mr Kelly "spend a little more time fundraising and less time speaking to right-wing fringe groups especially when he's asking for the party to support him."
Mr Kelly told Fairfax Media: "The fundraising targets are what needs to be achieved by the election and once we get closer to the election date fundraising picks up as people focus on the election and the thought of a Labor government."
One party figure said the NSW Liberals were in "a parlous financial situation made worse by free-loaders".
It is understandood all elected federal MPs and senators in NSW have been asked to raise $2.3 million in total, but more than $1.4 million is still outstanding.
Liberal MP John Alexander, who has a fundraising target of $150,000 for the federal campaign, is understood to have already contributed $30,000 but has more than $200,000 in his electoral conference bank account.

Treasurer Scott Morrison's electoral conference in Cook, with a target of $175,000, has already contributed $35,000 and has around $178,000 in its account ready to be forwarded to the federal campaign.
In Victoria, the party’s organisational wing remains in a deadlock with its main source of finance, the Cormack Foundation, after a costly court battle for control of the $70 million investment fund ended in stalemate.
The foundation has agreed to bankroll the party’s November state election campaign by directly funding Victorian leader Matthew Guy and his candidates. It is unclear if the foundation will seek the same arrangement for a federal poll, which must be held by May 2019.
Mr Turnbull has repeatedly ruled out an early election, despite speculation on Tuesday that calling an early poll for September or October could stave off a second strike on his leadership by Mr Dutton.
The shortfall in campaign money played a significant role in the Coalition's defeat at the Longman byelection, with Labor sources confirming the party had spent up to $400,000 in the final week of the campaign alone. Labor can also rally union resources and donations, while third-party groups like GetUp! have also spent big on trying to defeat some conservative Coalition MPs.
One major Liberal donor told Fairfax Media a flurry of expensive boardroom dinner events showed how "dire" the financial situation had become.
A recent invitation to a $25,000-a-table dinner - the cost of an annual subscription to the Liberal Party's Australian Business Network forum - was described as particularly offensive.
The party is next week expected to host a full day, $12,500-a-head fundraising event at the Sydney offices of accounting giant PwC, allowing guests to meet with ministers before a private dinner with Mr Turnbull.
Even senator Arthur Sinodinos, who on leave from Parliament due to illness, held a $3000-a-head fundraising dinner with up to a dozen people at the Black Bar and Grill at The Star on July 25."
Greensleeves
The Daily Telegraph ("News brand of the year" it says on the cover) is still pushing Rupert's line of "you'll win if you are far enough right". The editorial is telling Turnbull to leave now (no surprise there) and recommends holding the election as late as possible. It does admit indirectly that Dutton is unpopular south of the Tweed.

I'd say it no longer matters. It is unlikely that the L-NP will win an election, even by one seat.
The Senate will look more like the café scene in the first Star Wars movie...
The ALP will get government again, and it would be hard for them to create a worse mess than we have now.

It's lucky the Liberal party doesn't have factions like the ALP.

Peter
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The next election is likely more than a year away, if I were leading the party I wouldn’t be going to election until AFTER May 18th.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The next election is likely more than a year away, if I were leading the party I wouldn’t be going to election until AFTER May 18th.
Aaron
I would say all bets are off right now - even next month isn't out of the question.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Hearing the end is nigh for Truffles, Truffles to hold a presser at 1:00pm, who knows what it will be...
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Dutton has done a few door-stops where he's given us an indication of what he would do as PM. I have to say, I'm liking what I hear; via The Australian:
Peter Dutton says the GST should be taken off electricity bills and has called for a royal commission into energy and fuel companies.

…“I think one thing that we could do straight away in this next billing cycle is take the GST off electricity bills for families,” Mr Dutton said.

“The other thing we could do is set up a royal commission into the electricity companies and into the fuel companies,” Mr Dutton said.

Not so sure if the GST removal is a good idea - but some kind of enquiry into how we got the world's most expensive domestic electricity wouldn't be a bad idea. No doubt AGL and Origin would be doing everything than to try and head that one off, just like the banks did.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Hearing the end is nigh for Truffles, Truffles to hold a presser at 1:00pm, who knows what it will be...
lsrailfan
1) Company Tax cuts will not be taken to the next election....
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Hello All,

re M636C ( Peter ) comment above "...the Liberal Party does not have factions like the ALP..." , is incorrect,

The difference is the ALP 's Rules recognise and allow for Factions, which have both formal names and a formal structure , this dates back to a 1980s era State and National Conference decisions to formally recognise the reality.

Whilst the Liberal Party has no formal factional structure , it most certainly does have factions, as the sometimes quite vicious and vitriolic internal party squabbles in both NSW and Victoria attest to. ( Both Branches now appear to be dominated by Right wing Conservatives , the very faction RG Menzies established the Liberal Party to get away from in the increasingly factional Right wing UAP / United Australia Party. )

If you think about it in organisational terms , any large group of people form smaller sub groups of like minded individuals. Over time, depending on how the organisation grows , and what interests it serves , factionalism can be an outgrowth of this, and therefore the decision makers of the organisation should both understand and appreciate this in their future dealings.

Corporate organisations have boardroom fights and proxy battles , Solomon Lew and the Myer Group are an example of this. Trade Unions have internal factions, or even competing Unions within the same industry, the former FIA / Federated iron Workers ( now part of the AWU ) and the AEU / Amalgamated Engineering Union (now part of the AMWU ) are an example of this.

So factionalism per se is not necessarily a bad thing, provided that each faction is willing to accommodate the others , they can jointly agree and move on. The real problem arises when peoples egos outstrip the real necessity to work together to further their particular cause.And in the case of Australian political parties, when Factions become the only intermediaries between the rank and file and the leadership.

Ultimately, this is the fault of the party leadership , and it becomes apparent when the membership falls to the low levels currently evident in the ( small ) Big Three parties in Australia now.

To quote Harold Wilson ( British PM 1964-1970, 1974-1976 ) "...a week is a long time in politics ..."

Regards, Radioman.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Hearing the end is nigh for Truffles, Truffles to hold a presser at 1:00pm, who knows what it will be...
1) Company Tax cuts will not be taken to the next election....
Carnot
Yer, seems as if this was much about nothing

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  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The government won’t call an election next month Don. If and election is called early it will be mid - late next year, September would be my guess if it goes early.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
That’s September next year.

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