Boeing 747 turns 50

 
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

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  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Both these two following 747 articles originally appeared in the Spring 2000 (USA) issue of "The Clipper", the newsletter of The Pan Am Historical Foundation and were downloaded around that time. Attempts to locate these two articles on the present-day internet have not been successful, so are offered with gratitude to the original authors. Cheers Peter Cokley September 2018

Creation of the 747 by Robert W. Blake  and  Evolution of an Airplane John G. Borger

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aQIv-bzh3g7V3sCuydOY5QjcVbSs-v2R/view
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Both these two following 747 articles originally appeared in the Spring 2000 (USA) issue of "The Clipper", the newsletter of The Pan Am Historical Foundation and were downloaded around that time. Attempts to locate these two articles on the present-day internet have not been successful, so are offered with gratitude to the original authors. Cheers Peter Cokley September 2018

Creation of the 747 by Robert W. Blake  and  Evolution of an Airplane John G. Borger

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aQIv-bzh3g7V3sCuydOY5QjcVbSs-v2R/view
petan
Thanks Peter. Very interesting.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
If you can find it, there is a DVD called "Best of the Great Planes - Giants of the Sky."
It's about the Boeing 707, Hercules C130, and Boeing 747.

The 747 section is narrated largely by Malcolm Stamper who was the Boeing executive in command of the 747 project. I have watched it a number of times, having been very fond of the 747 since my first flight on one (Melbourne, Sydney, Nadi, Honolulu, San Francisco ; Qantas B747-238B VH-EBE on Christmas Day 1976.) Since then, I have managed to fly in 300 series, 400 series, Combi and SP.

The DVD case is labelled "Discovery Channel DBX13040".
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
I think qantas still have 4 in service. Are they making any more 747’s still ?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I think qantas still have 4 in service. Are they making any more 747’s still ?
freightgate
QANTAS has more than 4 (9 IIRC) in service.
Yes they are still building the latest version of 747 but few (if any more) passenger many more freight.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
QANTAS don't have many in service now.

Sydney - LAX
Melbourne - Japan
I think Hong Kong is a route.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
QANTAS don't have many in service now.

Sydney - LAX
Melbourne - Japan
I think Hong Kong is a route.
bevans
Brisbane - Los Angeles
South America
San Francisco
Los Angeles - New York
South Africa
Sydney - Perth
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
QANTAS don't have many in service now.

Sydney - LAX

Melbourne - Japan

I think Hong Kong is a route.
bevans

Qantas has three 747-400 and six 747-400ER currently in service.

Sydney-Los Angeles is A380.
Melbourne-Tokyo is A330-300.
Melbourne-Hong Kong is A330-300, and has been A380 on occasions.

On international routes, 747's fly:-
Sydney - Santiago.
Sydney-Johannesburg.
Sydney-San Francisco.
Brisbane-Los Angeles.

Sydney-Perth is getting the occasional "surplus" 747.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!

Qantas has three 747-400 and six 747-400ER currently in service.

Sydney-Los Angeles is A380.
Melbourne-Tokyo is A330-300.
Melbourne-Hong Kong is A330-300, and has been A380 on occasions.

On international routes, 747's fly:-
Sydney - Santiago.
Sydney-Johannesburg.
Sydney-San Francisco.
Brisbane-Los Angeles.

Sydney-Perth is getting the occasional "surplus" 747.
Valvegear
Using Valvegear's data then Ipso facto the LA to New York is not a 747 as the regular Brisbane LA QF15/16 is a B789 and no longer 747 and the Brisbane LA 747 is a very occasional QF55/56 so not regular enough for the LA - NY run.

EDIT; removed Bevans quote as I was adding to Valvegear's post not questioning Valvegear's accuracy
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Thanks for the update, petan.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Recently flew on a British Airways 747-400 from LHR to MIA with Rollers. Nothing like the 4 engines in sync. Much louder than the A380 when taking off, but what an enjoyable sound. Bit like listening to an EMD 645 compared to a EMD 710.

I lurk on aviation sites and general opinion is that they tend to be liked more by crews and they land more smoothly.

Will miss them here in Australia as there are less and less operators.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Can't remember a 747 into Melbourne for a few years now as mainly A380's.  United Airlines I think was the last regular user in Melbourne.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Can't remember a 747 into Melbourne for a few years now as mainly A380's.  United Airlines I think was the last regular user in Melbourne.
x31
Probably was, they have retired their 747 fleet now.

As discussed above good locations would be Sydney (Thai) and Brisbane (Qantas to LA).

In Melbourne you are right I think no more passenger 747s, however Singapore Airlines and Cathay Pacific fly in their Cargo 747s on a daily basis.

I wonder with Qantas now running 767s in their own right for cargo if there is a case for their end of life passenger 747s be converted to cargo in 2020?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
My understanding is that all the 747-8i's (pas version) on order have been delivered. Future orders still may come but unlikely.

The two AF1's to replace the current two AF1's will no longer be new builds, but use two planes built but never delivered to a company that went broke.  

The number of operating passenger version 747's in the world is shrinking fast and leading to an over supply of airframes for potential conversion to 747F's and hence some are being broken up as their spare parts are worth more.

There are still 22 x 747-8F's on the order books so there is a few years yet to run in production as I think they are down to 1 per month or less. I think Boeing would wrap it up faster, but not Boeing CEO's wants to be the one to call it quits on the 747 OR Boeing simply wants to hang onto the 747 production line longer than the A380 to get one up on Airbus. However Airbus have proven to the world they screwed up on the A380 demand estimates, in a big way. Boeing can at least say the 747 production made them alot of money, something Airbus cannot say about the A380.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I took my first overseas flight on a 747.  I took my second overseas flight on a DC10.
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

.... Since then, I have managed to fly in 300 series, 400 series, Combi and SP....
Valvegear
The Combi would have been South Africa bound?
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
As discussed above good locations would be Sydney (Thai) and Brisbane (Qantas to LA).

In Melbourne you are right I think no more passenger 747s, however Singapore Airlines and Cathay Pacific fly in their Cargo 747s on a daily basis.
Big J
Umm, as discussed above in my previous posts, good locations would **not** be Brisbane as the regular Brisbane Qantas LA QF15/16, previously a 747 till around end of last August, is now a B789 operation and the Brisbane LA run that is a 747 is a very occasional QF55/56 and the countdown to the last flight on that service only needs a few fingers to count, so you will need to be lucky and hope the flights are not cancelled and the QF website will have details. That QF55/56 Boeing 747 run BNE LAX only started after they swapped the 789 onto the QF15/16 run end of August, so it really is only a fill in run to use spare 747s.

A newish Cathay Pacific Boeing 747 operates on a regular basic to Toowoomba's Wellcamp airport as per the following link from Australian Aviation magazine, so try there as it is a regional airport and photo access to the approach flight path is reasonable.
http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/01/cathay-pacific-and-wellcamp-airport-encouraged-by-first-year-of-freighter-operations/
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The Combi would have been South Africa bound?
"ParkesHub"
Good guess, but No. You might be surprised by the answer.
The aircraft was VH-ECC in January 1981 ex Melbourne, combining flights  QF3 (San Francisco) and QF 11 (Los Angeles). In Sydney, the passengers for QF3 transferred to another aircraft, whilst ECC continued as QF 11 to LAX.

ECC  was subsequently converted from Combi configuration to full pasenger type in 1995.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
As discussed above good locations would be Sydney (Thai) and Brisbane (Qantas to LA).

In Melbourne you are right I think no more passenger 747s, however Singapore Airlines and Cathay Pacific fly in their Cargo 747s on a daily basis.
Umm, as discussed above in my previous posts, good locations would **not** be Brisbane as the regular Brisbane Qantas LA QF15/16, previously a 747 till around end of last August, is now a B789 operation and the Brisbane LA run that is a 747 is a very occasional QF55/56 and the countdown to the last flight on that service only needs a few fingers to count, so you will need to be lucky and hope the flights are not cancelled and the QF website will have details. That QF55/56 Boeing 747 run BNE LAX only started after they swapped the 789 onto the QF15/16 run end of August, so it really is only a fill in run to use spare 747s.

A newish Cathay Pacific Boeing 747 operates on a regular basic to Toowoomba's Wellcamp airport as per the following link from Australian Aviation magazine, so try there as it is a regional airport and photo access to the approach flight path is reasonable.
http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/01/cathay-pacific-and-wellcamp-airport-encouraged-by-first-year-of-freighter-operations/
petan
Sorry you are right Petan. I was excited as I was booked on a Qantas 747 from LAX to BNE early September and just assumed that this was continuing. Unfortunately I didn't end up on this flight but instead ended up on a LAX to MEL on a QF 787-9. That plane really impressed me.

In relation to that Cathay Pacific cargo flight I am wrong they do not flight daily, but weekly. Also Singapore cargo is not weekly and operates on a less frequent schedule.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
As discussed above good locations would be Sydney (Thai) and Brisbane (Qantas to LA).

In Melbourne you are right I think no more passenger 747s, however Singapore Airlines and Cathay Pacific fly in their Cargo 747s on a daily basis.
Umm, as discussed above in my previous posts, good locations would **not** be Brisbane as the regular Brisbane Qantas LA QF15/16, previously a 747 till around end of last August, is now a B789 operation and the Brisbane LA run that is a 747 is a very occasional QF55/56 and the countdown to the last flight on that service only needs a few fingers to count, so you will need to be lucky and hope the flights are not cancelled and the QF website will have details. That QF55/56 Boeing 747 run BNE LAX only started after they swapped the 789 onto the QF15/16 run end of August, so it really is only a fill in run to use spare 747s.

A newish Cathay Pacific Boeing 747 operates on a regular basic to Toowoomba's Wellcamp airport as per the following link from Australian Aviation magazine, so try there as it is a regional airport and photo access to the approach flight path is reasonable.
http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/01/cathay-pacific-and-wellcamp-airport-encouraged-by-first-year-of-freighter-operations/
Sorry you are right Petan. I was excited as I was booked on a Qantas 747 from LAX to BNE early September and just assumed that this was continuing. Unfortunately I didn't end up on this flight but instead ended up on a LAX to MEL on a QF 787-9. That plane really impressed me.

In relation to that Cathay Pacific cargo flight I am wrong they do not flight daily, but weekly. Also Singapore cargo is not weekly and operates on a less frequent schedule.
Big J
Hi Jas, I would be extremely interested in the flight number and expected date of arrival in Brisbane for your initial 747 booking. I suspect it was the very occasional flight 56 as you would have had a 789 if it was flight 16 early September. I watched the last 747 departure from Brisbane for flight 15 on the 31 August 2018 and it was a 789 from then on. Samboo Bear, our house companion, posted images on that last QF15 747 departure on his Facebook, which is hard considering he is a small cuddly bear Smile

https://www.facebook.com/samboothebear/photos/ms.c.eJw1z9mJA1AMQ9GOgixZXvpvbHiJ5~;fABSkmW6sKq3pmP~;GDNqF08mA3CGlZX0iE9yXYOOBwGhD~_wV0PgD4YyKrKPAjFTu2y8sChB2gcDG2Vk~;4BI95Sh~;ZAoFW5OQcd88DiwWIIBXCJxPcF3voDwDwzjQ~-~-.bps.a.1847391252034792/1847401595367091/?type=3&theater

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  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
As discussed above good locations would be Sydney (Thai) and Brisbane (Qantas to LA).

In Melbourne you are right I think no more passenger 747s, however Singapore Airlines and Cathay Pacific fly in their Cargo 747s on a daily basis.
Umm, as discussed above in my previous posts, good locations would **not** be Brisbane as the regular Brisbane Qantas LA QF15/16, previously a 747 till around end of last August, is now a B789 operation and the Brisbane LA run that is a 747 is a very occasional QF55/56 and the countdown to the last flight on that service only needs a few fingers to count, so you will need to be lucky and hope the flights are not cancelled and the QF website will have details. That QF55/56 Boeing 747 run BNE LAX only started after they swapped the 789 onto the QF15/16 run end of August, so it really is only a fill in run to use spare 747s.

A newish Cathay Pacific Boeing 747 operates on a regular basic to Toowoomba's Wellcamp airport as per the following link from Australian Aviation magazine, so try there as it is a regional airport and photo access to the approach flight path is reasonable.
http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/01/cathay-pacific-and-wellcamp-airport-encouraged-by-first-year-of-freighter-operations/
Sorry you are right Petan. I was excited as I was booked on a Qantas 747 from LAX to BNE early September and just assumed that this was continuing. Unfortunately I didn't end up on this flight but instead ended up on a LAX to MEL on a QF 787-9. That plane really impressed me.

In relation to that Cathay Pacific cargo flight I am wrong they do not flight daily, but weekly. Also Singapore cargo is not weekly and operates on a less frequent schedule.
Hi Jas, I would be extremely interested in the flight number and expected date of arrival in Brisbane for your initial 747 booking. I suspect it was the very occasional flight 56 as you would have had a 789 if it was flight 16 early September. I watched the last 747 departure from Brisbane for flight 15 on the 31 August 2018 and it was a 789 from then on. Samboo Bear, our house companion, posted images on that last QF15 747 departure on his Facebook, which is hard considering he is a small cuddly bear Smile

https://www.facebook.com/samboothebear/photos/ms.c.eJw1z9mJA1AMQ9GOgixZXvpvbHiJ5~;fABSkmW6sKq3pmP~;GDNqF08mA3CGlZX0iE9yXYOOBwGhD~_wV0PgD4YyKrKPAjFTu2y8sChB2gcDG2Vk~;4BI95Sh~;ZAoFW5OQcd88DiwWIIBXCJxPcF3voDwDwzjQ~-~-.bps.a.1847391252034792/1847401595367091/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/samboothebear/photos/ms.c.eJw1z9mJA1AMQ9GOgixZXvpvbHiJ5~;fABSkmW6sKq3pmP~;GDNqF08mA3CGlZX0iE9yXYOOBwGhD~_wV0PgD4YyKrKPAjFTu2y8sChB2gcDG2Vk~;4BI95Sh~;ZAoFW5OQcd88DiwWIIBXCJxPcF3voDwDwzjQ~-~-.bps.a.1847391252034792/1847402828700301/?type=3&theater
petan
Hi Petan,
You are right. I was originally booked on QF56, 6 September LAX to BNE. The itinerary was issued on 9 August.

Cheers
Jas
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Hi Jas, I would be extremely interested in the flight number and expected date of arrival in Brisbane for your initial 747 booking. I suspect it was the very occasional flight 56 as you would have had a 789 if it was flight 16 early September. I watched the last 747 departure from Brisbane for flight 15 on the 31 August 2018 and it was a 789 from then on. Samboo Bear, our house companion, posted images on that last QF15 747 departure on his Facebook, which is hard considering he is a small cuddly bear Smile

https://www.facebook.com/samboothebear/photos/ms.c.eJw1z9mJA1AMQ9GOgixZXvpvbHiJ5~;fABSkmW6sKq3pmP~;GDNqF08mA3CGlZX0iE9yXYOOBwGhD~_wV0PgD4YyKrKPAjFTu2y8sChB2gcDG2Vk~;4BI95Sh~;ZAoFW5OQcd88DiwWIIBXCJxPcF3voDwDwzjQ~-~-.bps.a.1847391252034792/1847401595367091/?type=3&theater

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Hi Petan,
You are right. I was originally booked on QF56, 6 September LAX to BNE. The itinerary was issued on 9 August.

Cheers
Jas
Big J
Hi Jas,
flight log of that one https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA56/history/20180907/0525Z/KLAX/YBBN
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
VH-OJT, the majestic QF 747 that I watched depart Brisbane as the the last commercial 747 QF15 Brisbane to LA, is now in the Majove California bone yard

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHOJT/history
  woodford Chief Commissioner

VH-OJT, the majestic QF 747 that I watched depart Brisbane as the the last commercial 747 QF15 Brisbane to LA, is now in the Majove California bone yard

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHOJT/history
petan
VH-OJT had done something like 9300 cycles and flown 90,000 hours,the airframe must have nearly been out of hours, even then the 747 an excellent aircraft of its day has long since been superceeded by better designs.

Note: woodford has flown a dozen or so different aircraft but has only been inside one commercial aircraft (just for a look) and that is one of the greatest airliners ever made the Concorde.

woodford

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