Melbourne Airport Rail Link

 
  Lockie91 Train Controller

This MARL/SRL business needs to be cleared up ASAP.

Are they proposing two services?
1. SRL
2. Melbourne to Airport

or are they proposing that people switch trains at Sunshine for a train to the city?

My thoughts on the SRL west of the Airport are on the other thread.
John.Z
I would guess it would be two services, one track pair. By saying that MARL will make up the western portion of SRL makes it sound like the government is doing work on the western section 20 years before they plan too. MARL will open around 2022/25 when the SRL will link to the airport is anyones guess.

I do agree that we need a development plan to see how all of this is going to work. Which the government is required to do under the Transport Facilitation Act 2009, seems that they are quietly ignoring that right now.

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  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

I really hope that the Airport line will have more than three stations - Southern Cross, Sunshine and obviously the Airport itself. Despite the benefits of more capacity through the proposed tunnel, surely if you're running a 10 minute service you could extend the Metro Airport services to Greenvale, Craigieburn and Mickleham (frighteningly close to Darraweit Guim). That would hopefully take some of the strain off the Craigieburn line. Assuming an SRL stop at Gladstone Park, that would give great rail access to these deprived north-western suburbs, rather than the current pathetic bus system.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I do agree that we need a development plan to see how all of this is going to work. Which the government is required to do under the Transport Facilitation Act 2009, seems that they are quietly ignoring that right now.
Lockie91

Possibly you mean the Transport Integration Act 2010? That’s the statutory requirement for an integrated transport plan. Two governments of different colours have ignored it entirely now so I think we can forget about it ever being accomplished in its current form.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

I do agree that we need a development plan to see how all of this is going to work. Which the government is required to do under the Transport Facilitation Act 2009, seems that they are quietly ignoring that right now.

Possibly you mean the Transport Integration Act 2010? That’s the statutory requirement for an integrated transport plan. Two governments of different colours have ignored it entirely now so I think we can forget about it ever being accomplished in its current form.
potatoinmymouth
Yeah all we got is the heavy rail plan in 2012 and a leaked updated version in 2018. The bus and tram plans never got funded and got started. EDIT: bus and tram plans never got completed.

We have Plan Melbourne but that also lacks any proper planning as the updated version just details existing projects and nothing unexpected. The regional rail plan was passed on to another department only to be very vague on details and later to just become the backbones of the regional revival rail project.

Suburban rail loop shouldn't of been a surprise, it should of appeared in a long term transport vision planning scheme. It's unlikely we'll see a proper integrated transport plan soon unless the Labor party decided to surrender all its seats and gave it to the greens.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

The bus and tram plans never got funded and got started.
True Believers

Not quite, sadly. PTV told the Auditor-General they started them at the same time as the metro rail one and never bothered finishing them.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Why is this so complicated?

Standard gauge to the airport, share it with Bendigo (standardise) and the northeast.  Simple.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Why is this so complicated? Standard gauge to the airport, share it with Bendigo (standardise) and the northeast. Simple.
ZH836301

Anything extra needed, in you view, Sunshine-CBD?
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

Why is this so complicated? Standard gauge to the airport, share it with Bendigo (standardise) and the northeast. Simple.

Anything extra needed, in you view, Sunshine-CBD?
potatoinmymouth
2 Track Pairs SXS to Sunshine, One pair to Ballarat, One pair to Airport and beyond.

Journeys come from Geelong and beyond and Dandenong and beyond.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Why is this so complicated?

Standard gauge to the airport, share it with Bendigo (standardise) and the northeast.  Simple.
ZH836301
You Have awoken Dangersdan707 and he is here to rant about the superior broad gauge that still inhabits Victoria.
Good meme, now what next? a highspeed tunnel to Tasmania? NSW gauge shall never reach Bendigo due to the beauty of non gauge convertible sleepers. Mah hahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhaahhahahahaha. The Plague of the NSW gauge has stalled for now, until I become overlord of the universe when BG shall reclaim its birthright promised by god to the Victorian (and South Australian) people. Insert Evil diabolical laughing.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
You Have awoken Dangersdan707 and he is here to rant about the superior broad gauge that still inhabits Victoria.
"Dangersdan707"
OK - I won't be hard to get on with - ignoring the bleedin' obvious that it's already there, tell me just one reason why BG is superior to SG.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Why is this so complicated?

Standard gauge to the airport, share it with Bendigo (standardise) and the northeast.  Simple.
You Have awoken Dangersdan707 and he is here to rant about the superior broad gauge that still inhabits Victoria.
Good meme, now what next? a highspeed tunnel to Tasmania? NSW gauge shall never reach Bendigo due to the beauty of non gauge convertible sleepers. Mah hahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhaahhahahahaha. The Plague of the NSW gauge has stalled for now, until I become overlord of the universe when BG shall reclaim its birthright promised by god to the Victorian (and South Australian) people. Insert Evil diabolical laughing.
Dangersdan707
Agree.  Irish Gauge to Bendigo 4Eva.  Governments will be reluctant stump up the $$$ to build a new line from Airport to Clarkefield and will instead quad Sunshine to Watergardens for Bendigo BG V/line trains.

It will be interesting to see what gauge they end up building the airport rail link with though.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

You Have awoken Dangersdan707 and he is here to rant about the superior broad gauge that still inhabits Victoria.
OK - I won't be hard to get on with - ignoring the bleedin' obvious that it's already there, tell me just one reason why BG is superior to SG.
Valvegear
I'll have a bite - heritage trains, capacity at SXS, along with V/line operational flexibility.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
You Have awoken Dangersdan707 and he is here to rant about the superior broad gauge that still inhabits Victoria.
OK - I won't be hard to get on with - ignoring the bleedin' obvious that it's already there, tell me just one reason why BG is superior to SG.
Valvegear
-Superior ride stability (refer to northeast debacle)
-State Patriotism
BOOM 2 reasons!
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Y’know, if we were colonising a new planet, there’d probably be a good reason to go “the broader the better” with the rail gauge and pair it with a massive loading gauge. More width=more train.

Of course this isn’t a new planet and for whatever strange reason the Victorian authorities decided minimalist loading gauge was the way to go.

So there are absolutely no actual advantages for BG in the Australian, or indeed the Earthian, context.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
-Superior ride stability (refer to northeast debacle)
Dangersdan707
I'm worried that you might believe such nonsense to be true. Let me know when you've ridden at 300 km/h on SG in Europe on good track.
  42101 A end Junior Train Controller

Dan707
Do yourself a favour and stop making yourself into a laughingstock with your BG is best garbage yeah.
You make many go points and fairly smart comments then you have a brainfart and make these types of stupid posts....your better than that.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Dan707
Do yourself a favour and stop making yourself into a laughingstock with your BG is best garbage yeah.
You make many go points and fairly smart comments then you have a brainfart and make these types of stupid posts....your better than that.
42101 A end
At one level I agree with you, but at another, RP can be a very terse and uptight place sometimes so a bit of light-heartedness doesn't go astray.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
-Superior ride stability (refer to northeast debacle)
I'm worried that you might believe such nonsense to be true. Let me know when you've ridden at 300 km/h on SG in Europe on good track.
Valvegear
can one count Japan?

Valvegear, its largely just personal preference that I have and that fact that soooo many people get up in arms about the best gauge and its contender, while being a tad lighthearted and undermining the tense atmosphere.
  justarider Assistant Commissioner

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
Why is this so complicated?

Standard gauge to the airport, share it with Bendigo (standardise) and the northeast.  Simple.
Agree.  Irish Gauge to Bendigo 4Eva.  Governments will be reluctant stump up the $$$ to build a new line from Airport to Clarkefield and will instead quad Sunshine to Watergardens for Bendigo BG V/line trains.

It will be interesting to see what gauge they end up building the airport rail link with though.
Carnot
Not saying it will happen, but the Clarkefield route is far superior. Shorter, cheaper, quicker build.
Just compare the facts

Clarkefield (region, not the station -just north of the Sunbury outskirts will do for the junction)
Airport to Clarkefield
Distance 18km, LX removal nil, roads to cross 4, construction interruption NIL, creeks 5 ish. Skyrail outrage NIL

Quad Sunbury
Albion to Sunbury
Distance 25km, LX removal 4, bridges to cross 9, construction interruption huge, station to circumvent 6, creeks 2


forget Standard Gauge, that's just ZH stirring, and got Dangerdan sucked in.

IF (big IF) the Albury line also gets diverted to the Airport, then that would be SG.
So what ? Dual gauge through the station precinct not a big deal, the trains are slowing down anyway.

cheers
John
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Quadruplicating to Sunbury is far inferior to the airport route. I'm sure that whenever this becomes a potential build, the party in power will just divert it via the airport to get votes.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Anything extra needed, in you view, Sunshine-CBD?
potatoinmymouth
Ideally, six tracks, since you need to account for:
a/ Sunbury (Tottenham et al.)
b/ Melton/Ballarat/Werribee (via Tarneit)
c/ Airport/Bendigo/Northeast

Since (c) would ideally be SG, you could also alternatively have Melton/Ballarat sharing with it (eg. with quad track to Deer Park), depending on output.  If you make the express track to Dandenong SG (eg. converting everything beyond) in this manner you would effectively have given SG access direct to all regional destinations.  

It isn't much of an issue if Ballarat services end up serving Deer Park-Melton, since it's hard to justify Ballarat services only taking up the load from two stations (Ballan & Bacchus).  Similarly, once MM2 is up and running, with station rationalisation (dump Aircraft and the Altona branch) having Geelong simply operate as an extension of Werribee services via Newport is not unreasonable either, since once the regional rail link starts filling with stations, it will become the slower route.


forget Standard Gauge, that's just ZH stirring, and got Dangerdan sucked in.

Not stirring this one - the northeast will be going SG, so having the airport too eliminates some major headaches.
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

Anything extra needed, in you view, Sunshine-CBD?
Ideally, six tracks, since you need to account for:
a/ Sunbury (Tottenham et al.)
b/ Melton/Ballarat/Werribee (via Tarneit)
c/ Airport/Bendigo/Northeast

Since (c) would ideally be SG, you could also alternatively have Melton/Ballarat sharing with it (eg. with quad track to Deer Park), depending on output.  If you make the express track to Dandenong SG (eg. converting everything beyond) in this manner you would effectively have given SG access direct to all regional destinations.  

It isn't much of an issue if Ballarat services end up serving Deer Park-Melton, since it's hard to justify Ballarat services only taking up the load from two stations (Ballan & Bacchus).  Similarly, once MM2 is up and running, with station rationalisation (dump Aircraft and the Altona branch) having Geelong simply operate as an extension of Werribee services via Newport is not unreasonable either, since once the regional rail link starts filling with stations, it will become the slower route.


forget Standard Gauge, that's just ZH stirring, and got Dangerdan sucked in.

Not stirring this one - the northeast will be going SG, so having the airport too eliminates some major headaches.
ZH836301
Agree with some, disagree with others.

Why should we bring VLine commuter services down to the lowest common denominator. We should be building up our express services from the outer regions.

Having Express ("VLine") and SAS ("Metro") quad all the way to Ballarat, Geelong and Pakenham would be a good place to start.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
It isn't much of an issue if Ballarat services end up serving Deer Park-Melton, since it's hard to justify Ballarat services only taking up the load from two stations (Ballan & Bacchus).  Similarly, once MM2 is up and running, with station rationalisation (dump Aircraft and the Altona branch) having Geelong simply operate as an extension of Werribee services via Newport is not unreasonable either, since once the regional rail link starts filling with stations, it will become the slower route.
ZH836301

Ballarat itself is expanding to the west and to the south quite quickly - it wouldn't be hard to imagine an additional station built on the Ararat line a couple of km down of Wendouree (Lucas/Cardigan), and the park and ride at Warrenheip getting built. So Ballarat line trains could be stopping Lucas, Wendouree, Ballarat, Warrenheip, Ballan and Bacchus Marsh in the not too distant future.

Even if new stations don't go ahead, there is always the scope to increase services to Ararat and Maryborough, so there are more than 2 potential stations being served.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Honestly guys from a freight perspective I think SG to Bendigo would be quite beneficial as it would provide a much more direct for trains coming from the far northwest of the state.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Why should we bring VLine commuter services down to the lowest common denominator. We should be building up our express services from the outer regions.
John.Z
Do Vline users pay the fares to make such services sustainable?

Where is it set in stone that travellers from current Vline served regions are entitled to an uninterrupted journey into the city?

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