Sydney Trains numbering system

 
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Is there a system like in melbourne we have eg 5633
5=Upfield
6=City Loop
Odd number=Down
even=Up?.

Anything that anyone can explain here.

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  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Per the SWTT;
3-98, City Circle to Bankstown, Liverpool, Homebush, Campbelltown and Macarthur
99, 1XX, Western, Northern, North Shore Line
2XX, OSCars in that region, INCLUDING up the coast
3XX, South Coast (I think, don't quote me)
4XX, Illawarra OSCars
5XX, Growth Running, Trial Trips, Exchange Cars
6XX, Illawarra Tangara sets
N1XX, Sydney-Newcastle (Hamilton) V sets
N2XX, Sydney-Wyong V sets
SNXX, Southern Highlands Endeavours
CXXX, South Coast (Same as N)
WXXX, Blue Mountains
WN17/18, Bathurst Bullet

L1, L2 - Lidcombe to Olympic Park
95, 97 - Carlingford
18, 19 - SWRL
90-96 - Cumberland Line

SXXX - Sydney Terminal to Olympic Park (Only per Special Events)
BXXX - Blacktown (Penrith, Schofields) to Olympic Park (Only per Special Events)

Odd - Down (Away from Central/Circular Quay)
Even - Up (Towards Central/Circular Quay)
Etc. Etc.
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Thanks
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
Per the SWTT;
3-98, City Circle to Bankstown, Liverpool, Homebush, Campbelltown and Macarthur
99, 1XX, Western, Northern, North Shore Line
2XX, OSCars in that region, INCLUDING up the coast
3XX, South Coast (I think, don't quote me)
4XX, Illawarra OSCars
5XX, Growth Running, Trial Trips, Exchange Cars
6XX, Illawarra Tangara sets
N1XX, Sydney-Newcastle (Hamilton) V sets
N2XX, Sydney-Wyong V sets
SNXX, Southern Highlands Endeavours
CXXX, South Coast (Same as N)
WXXX, Blue Mountains
WN17/18, Bathurst Bullet

L1, L2 - Lidcombe to Olympic Park
95, 97 - Carlingford
18, 19 - SWRL
90-96 - Cumberland Line

SXXX - Sydney Terminal to Olympic Park (Only per Special Events)
BXXX - Blacktown (Penrith, Schofields) to Olympic Park (Only per Special Events)

Odd - Down (Away from Central/Circular Quay)
Even - Up (Towards Central/Circular Quay)
Etc. Etc.
s3_gunzel
Minor corrections , N2xx applies to any Wyong service (now mostly H sets, unless any substitutions)
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
Prior to computerisation for Train Running, both passenger and freight excluding the Surburban services could have between 1 and 3 numbers with a letter in front designating direction, ie W1 was the Indian Pacific from Sydney to Perth, W31 was the Central West Express to Orange.
W2 and W28 were the return numbers respectively heading to Sydney.
Most times the letter was dropped by the Signalman once the Train had passed the areas where it could be diverted.
Because everything was entered manually, it worked reasonably well for those working the Trains but confusion could occur in correspondence.
For instance, the Monday to Friday Mixed and Pickup that commenced from Wallerwang to Oberon was also number 1 or W1 if you like.
In a way this caused no problems as the Oberon W1 departed Wallerawang around 9.30am in the morning and the Indian Pacific passed Wallerawang around 6pm at night but on the UP journey for both trains, there could be a problem.
The IP (W1) was due through W'wang after 12 noon and the Oberon (W2) terminated around 6pm but, if the IP (W2) was running late and it did happen, sometimes the Office got confused between the 2 trains.
Later when the Coal traffic increased massively, they introduced a letter/number system to designate the colliery it was headed for and the train number.
The Lithgow district had 5 Coal loading areas, Austin and Butta and Wallerawang Colliery controlled by W'Wang East Signal Box, Bal Bone, Charbon and Kandos and at times you could have 2 colliery's working at the same time and you needed to know which to send where.
For a brief period during the transition from Steam to Diesel, trains hauled by a diesel had a 4 used, ie 401 but that didnt last long.
When the standard Gauge opened they used a 3 digit system for the freight with 601 being 6 for WA and 01 for the train
There was an attempt made to have some sort of numbering system for each Train like the 'Run Numbers' they use for the Sydney Suburban trains but I dont think it was ever followed up.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Minor corrections , N2xx applies to any Wyong service (now mostly H sets, unless any substitutions)
Blackadder

Does it? Y'sure? Checked Tripview today, and NXXX series run numbers were all V sets. 2XX run numbers were OSCars - with no "N" prefix.
  jdennis Junior Train Controller

Does it? Y'sure? Checked Tripview today, and NXXX series run numbers were all V sets. 2XX run numbers were OSCars - with no "N" prefix.
s3_gunzel
Can I ask how you get that kind of info from TripView? All I can ever look at is the basic information like the timetable and how many cars the train is.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Can I ask how you get that kind of info from TripView? All I can ever look at is the basic information like the timetable and how many cars the train is.
jdennis
I tapped the last updated bar 5 times and got some strange string with the run number in it. Loosely resembles this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wdFpubj4Yg
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
Does it? Y'sure? Checked Tripview today, and NXXX series run numbers were all V sets. 2XX run numbers were OSCars - with no "N" prefix.
s3_gunzel
Ahh yes my bad N1** for Hamilton Services, N2** For Wyong/Gosford  V sets, Oscar runs 2xx (assuming no substitution)
  Speedbird1 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Wyee
I tapped the last updated bar 5 times and got some strange string with the run number in it.
s3_gunzel
Does anyone know what the rest of the numbers and letters represent? I've worked out the run number, set type and number of cars.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
GTFS Trip Identiification, mostly. Nothing to get excited about.
  sansjml Station Master

How does the numbering system work now? Since some things stated don't match up with the run numbers since the Nov 2017 timetable change.
  piepants Chief Train Controller

Location: Newcastle
Can I ask how you get that kind of info from TripView? All I can ever look at is the basic information like the timetable and how many cars the train is.
I tapped the last updated bar 5 times and got some strange string with the run number in it. Loosely resembles this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wdFpubj4Yg
s3_gunzel
For Android users - the menu at the top right of the screen has a "show run number" option when you're looking at a specific run.
  sansjml Station Master

I tapped the last updated bar 5 times and got some strange string with the run number in it. Loosely resembles this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wdFpubj4Yg
For Android users - the menu at the top right of the screen has a "show run number" option when you're looking at a specific run.
piepants

How do you enable this in the new versions of tripview for ios?
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

For the Timetable, commencing Sunday, September 30, 2018.

This is for the formulation of Run or Trip Numbers for Suburban Train Working.

Each Run number, or Trip number, consists of 4 alphanumeric characters, usually the 1st three (3) characters represent the Run or Roster Number, the 4th character is used to make each trip number unique.
Examples (Note: all train consists 8cars):
Roster 2, would usually commence with trip number 2--A, then for the 2nd trip, the trip number would be 2--B and so on.
Roster 14, 1st trip 14-A, 2nd trip 14-B.
Roster 178, 1st trip 178A, 2nd trip 178B.

They don't use Letters I, O, Q (so as not to confuse with numbers), and they try to avoid using the letter Z (which can be mistaken for the number 2).
It doesn't happen often but, if all the Letters of the Alphabet are used they can use Numbers in that 4th character position.

In the above, if Roster 14 divides into 2 x 4car sets, one half of the Roster is 14A and the other half is 14B.
Example of trip numbers would be: 14AF, 14AG, and the other 4car set 14BM, 14BN.
If Roster 2 was to divide, example of the trip numbers would be: 2A-R, 2B-R.

A trip will usually end at a Destination or Terminal point, and a new trip commenced.
Exceptions to this:-
Train operating around the City Circle, trip change at Circular Quay.
Train from the West, continuing to the North Shore Line, trip change at Central, and vice-versa.
Train on the Bankstown Line continuing to Lidcombe, trip change at Sefton Park Junctions, and vice-versa.
Train operating the Lidcombe to Olympic Park Sprint service, trip change at Olympic Park.

Run, or Trip, Numbers allocated for each Set-type, and where they normally operate, is as follows:-

Sector 2, T2, T3, T8 services:
1 to 12:  8car M sets
14 to 22:  8car S sets
25 to 30:  8car C sets
31 to 47:  8car K sets
60 to 69:  8car B sets (Weekends: 56 to 59)
78 to 98:  8car A sets (Weekends: 60 to 93)

Sector 2 T5 Cumberland Line: 50 to 55 usually operated with 4car M sets.
If any 8car sets work these services the trip number will be in the range of 500 to 599.
The number 5 being significant to Signallers and Area controllers to identify the Route.

Sector 2 T6 Carlingford Line:
Weekdays: 23 and 24 usually operated by 4car S sets daytime, and 50 to 55 operated by 4car M sets in the evenings.
Weekends: 23 and 24 operated by 4car M sets.

Sector 2 T7 Lidcombe to Olympic Park services:
L1 and L2, Weekdays, usually operated by 4car S sets, but can be built-up to 8cars, and at Weekends operated by 8car A sets.
Example: L1AA and L1AB.
Because there are numerous trips to and from Olympic Park over the course of the day, the sequence of Letters will be quickly used up, such that the trip number could be L1EH or L2FM.
Special Event services working to Olympic Park from Sydney or from Blacktown: trip number will start with the Letter S or B, being significant to Signallers and Area Controllers to identify the Route. Example of trip numbers: S01A, S11G, or B05E, B09T.

Sector 3, T1 services:
100 to 119: 8car T sets
120 to 198: 8car A sets
500 to 598: 8car A sets operating Cumberland Line services

Sector 1, T4 services:
600 to 628: 8car T sets operating between Cronulla/Helensburgh to Bondi Junction
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

For the Timetable, commencing Sunday, September 30, 2018.

This is the formulation for Run or Trip Numbers for NSW TrainLink and Regional Train Working.

Each Run number, or Trip number, consists of 4 alphanumeric characters.

Northern and Central Coast Services:-
N000 to N099: V set additional services operating from locations between Sydney and Newcastle Interchange.
N100 to N199: V sets operating from Sydney, Hornsby or Gosford, to Newcastle Interchange, or vice-versa.
N200 to N299: V sets operating between Sydney and Wyong and intermediate stations.
200 to 299 (plus a Letter to make unique trip number, for example: 200A): Oscars operating between Sydney or Central and Gosford, Wyong or Newcastle Interchange.
800 to 899 (plus a Letter to make unique trip number, for example: 809E): Medium width Suburban and Extended Medium width Suburban sets operating between Sydney and Newcastle Interchange.

Hunter Line Services (Endeavour and Hunter Diesel Sets):-
V600 to V699: operating between Newcastle Interchange and Muswellbrook or Scone.
V700 to V799: operating between Newcastle Interchange and Maitland or Telarah.
V900 to V999: operating between Newcastle Interchange and Dungog.

South Line Services:-
SN01 to SN99: Diesel Endeavour ssts operating between Sydney and Goulburn.
RC (plus 2 numbers between 01 and 99): Road Coach Bus operating between Moss Vale and Bundanoon or Moss Vale and Goulburn.

Western Line Services:-
W000 to W099: V set additional services operating from locations between Sydney and Lithgow.
200 to 299 (plus a Letter to make unique trip number, for example 227K): Oscars operating between Sydney/Central and Springwood.
W500 to W599: V sets operating between Sydney and Lithgow.
WN01 to WN99: Diesel Endeavour sets operating between Sydney and Bathurst.

South Coast Services:-
C000 to C099: V set additional services operating from locations between Sydney Terminal and Kiama / Port Kembla.
C300 to C399: Oscar sets operating between Sydney Terminal / Illawarra Junction and Wollongong / Port Kembla.
300 to 399 (plus a Letter to make unique trip number, for example 381G): Oscar and Suburban sets operating between Bondi Junction / Martin Place and Wollongong / Port Kembla.
C400 to C499: Oscar sets operating between Sydney Terminal / Illawarra Junction and Kiama.
400 to 499 (plus a Letter to make unique trip number, for example 471P): Oscar sets operating between Bondi Junction and Kiama.
K300 to K399: Oscar and Suburban sets operating within the area bounded by Coalcliff and Port Kembla.
K400 to K499: Oscar services operating within the area bounded by Coalcliff and Kiama.
KN01 to KN99: Diesel Endeavour sets operating between Wollongong / Port Kembla and Bomaderry.
KN-1 to KN-9:  Diesel Endeavour sets operating between Berry and Berry Stock Sidings exclusively.
CN01 to CN99: Diesel Endeavour sets operating between Sydney and Wollongong, Port Kembla or Bomaderry.
RC (plus 2 numbers between 01 and 99): Road Coach Bus operating between Kiama and Bomaderry.

Metropolitan Intercity Services associated with North, Illawarra and West Intercity services:-
H100 to H199 and H200 to H299: Intercity Trains operating between Metropolitan locations, to/from North Intercity services.
H300 to H399 and H400 to H499: Oscar Trains operating between Metropolitan locations, to/from Illawarra Intercity services.
H500 to H599: Intercity Trains operating between Metropolitan locations, to/from West Intercity services.

Regional Services, trip Number formulated as follows:-
1st character direction: N for North, S for South, W for West.
2nd charater: Set-type: X for XPT Service, P for Xplorer Service.
3rd and 4th character: unique number between 01 and 99.
  sansjml Station Master

800 to 899 (plus a Letter to make unique trip number, for example: 809E): Medium width Suburban and Extended Medium width Suburban sets operating between Sydney and Newcastle Interchange.
scott4570
How come one of the B set services has the run number 848?
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

How come one of the B set services has the run number 848?
"sansjml"

Sydney Trains also use these series of numbers:-
650 to 699 series reserved for use in Special Train Notices - Sector 1 only.
700 to 789 and 800 to 879 series reserved for use in Special Train Notices - excluding Sector 1.
790 to 799 series used for Train Radio testing.
880 to 899 series used for Charter services.

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