You may choose to believe that if you wish. It is true that the submarines would need to be ordered sooner or later. However the timing of the announcement was very much based on indicating continuing work for South Australia.
It isn't just the submarines. the Frigates and Offshore Patrol Vessels had to be built in Adelaide, almost to the extent of determining some of their characteristics.
But you seem to have missed my main point. The car industry did try to build cars that people would buy at a competitive price. Holden had a production line of the small Cruze model which sold well but has now been replaced by imported vehicles from Europe (and it had been dropped before the Commodore production ceased.)
But there is nothing to ensure competitive prices in shipbuilding. We have one supplier and one customer and the supplier can charge pretty much what they want. The price being paid for the Hobart class Destroyers bears no relationship to the competitively tendered price at the time of selection.
All I am saying is that more jobs would have been provided throughout Australia in suppliers to the automobile industry as well as the workers in SA and Victoria in the actual factories, had more incentives been provided to that industry.
The taxpayer gets fewer jobs per dollar of subidy in Naval shipbuilding.
There are presumably other strategic considerations, but a Government whose mantra is "jobs, jobs, jobs" may not be getting best value for our dollars.
Its completely irrational to compare the Subs with the Cars.
Australia was making cars people didn't want. in 2015, Commodore was No.6 and Camry No.7, the Camry at least was far cheaper to make due to much lower over heads and exports not part of the Australian count. The other three cars including the Cruz were out of the top 10 and minimal if any exported. There were 125k Cruz's made in 6 years, Tesla will have made more Model 3's by Xmas.
The Australia car companies are now nothing more than importers, doesn't sell, simply stop and find another model. They are not compelled to bring in only what head office has on offer and can pick and choose even production lines of same model.
The Destory's project were started long before the Australian car industry started to collapse during the mining boom. Its very easy to compare unsuccessful tenders with completed actual and go look Maa, we bought the wrong one. Look at the American's big military hardware projects, for which Australia is a partner in some, they are nearly always over budget and over time. Remember your making a killing machine that has to be better than the other guys, or you risk your sovereignty.
The only guaranteed way to get a large military hardware project completed on time and budget is to buy yesterdays technology, as we are not the third world, we get the latest and greatest, taking risks and wearing the cost over runs along the way. Yanks do the same.
The Collin's Class components built OS were the actual problem for that project, not the home grown.
The Sub project would have gone to Adelaide regardless of what happened to the Commodore and Cruz production lines, the rest of the car industry is in Vic and look how Geelong is booming without it. But there is nothing to ensure competitive prices in shipbuilding.
Very much untrue.
- Competitive tender to select the designer and the builder.
- Competitive tender for the builder to select the materials to be used, labour, contractors, contracts.
The buyer is also competing for the time and skills of its service providers with other customers.
The Sub project will provide jobs for x 10 the car industry for next 25 years.
We could have built them OS, sending billions OS or build them here and create up to 10,000 jobs, the govt is going to spend the money regardless, its not about Car vs sub. Even if it costs a bit more, how much is saved in welfare payments?